Topic: Royse777 is Casino Critique - page 4. (Read 4022 times)

Marlboroza tried that, it didn't work. Many people are unhappy with the Trust system, but in my opinion you can't fix a decentralized system by making it less decentralized. If the wrong people abandon the system, it gets worse, not better.

With each additional person who knows a secret, the chance of it leaking increases. Eventually, it becomes inevitable. I think Poker Player has a point here:
There's a difference between being told a secret with the request to keep it a secret, and promising to keep it a secret before you're told said secret.


Agreed. Mistakes were made, even if they were unintentional. But from there, it could have been handled better with more openness.

Exactly. You exposed your email address with your alt account Crypt0S0ul, as already noted in your "Welcome back again!" topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61108552

I understand this as the initial motivation. I don't understand the cover up when you got outed. That was the time to say "yep, it's me, not really a secret because many more users know this" and move on. You knew at that point that this secret has no chance so what was the plan?

And yes, I misunderstood the posts of some other users earlier in the thread... I thought they were saying "we know who CC is and it's not Royse777" but actually they were just playing along with your charade. So you didn't deceive them as I initially thought. You just deceived everyone else.


Well, see above. According to Royse777, everything and everyone is wrong except Royse777. Benefit of the doubt usually comes with remorse and humility, which is severely lacking here.

Anyway, let's backtrack a little bit. If I was considering investing in whatever this CC project is I would surely want to know who is involved in it. Wouldn't you? So we could find a lot of reputable members linked to it but one important member was hiding. That's kinda sketchy in its own right. Then it turns out it's Royse777, recently involved in a scammy casino. I would consider this whole scheme very dishonest and deceptive.

And that's me - someone who didn't really consider Royse777 guilty in the BitLucy debacle. Now imagine if someone thinks Royse777 is a scammer and they get deceived by the presence of all these reputable members in the CC project and put their money into it, only to find out that a scammer (in their view) is involved and said reputable members hid that information.

I don't think that's right. I don't think that's how you rebuild reputation. I think being honest is how you rebuild reputation.

I might be wrong though. Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way.

For someone that was caught in some shaddy deal with the devil and hot yo see the light only after the devil had robbed her of her time, money and reputation, I think the person still deserves a second chance to life on the things he loves. I think Royse777 has done her bit of explaining and having her confidentiality in a few with hopes of rebuilding a lost reputation could be given a benefit of the doubt, looking at the other many reputable members involved.
Most of what the cryptocurrency is about revolves around trust and privacy, with confidentiality not making much sense to us, where then do we stand in issues of privacy.

One who suspects something shaddy has got to speak up anyways but I can't help but have a soft core for Royse777.

This will be my last response to any topic related to my personal account, the bitlucy scam where I barely had any control, my lost reputation, requesting everyone to remove me from trust list including everything else that is happening because of me and why I kept Casino Critique official account disconnected from my personal account. I decided to shake the peace and stop defending everything that is coming towards my way. I told the CC team that after today I am going to start fresh again.

Please note: There are very few forum members still exists who are trying to make this place better, genuinely working for it. If you feel it from the heart that you are one of the very few then please do not get offended. Whatever I am saying are from my personal experience for the record. I don't expect anything to change from it. But since I will not talk about all these anymore, I want to tell my last words which are relevant.

Why I requested everyone to remove me from their trust list?
I lost faith from the trust system, I am sorry. It became a meaningless system to me. Trustlist has became a powerful tool for members to manipulate the trust system in their favor. They do not judge others feedback leaving accuracy at all. They do not care about the outcome for other of their wrong choices.

People are leaving negative feedback
- Just because one chosen to stay silent in a matter (My silence in Naim's ban evasion),
- Keep confidential conversation in private because they respect privacy and decides to keep promise.
- They demands why a project have a member who was banned. (An independent project decides who they will hire or partner with as long as not a threat to lose money).
- A new service who do not want to settle with an escrow (Best Change case)
- Demands to make private information public even when it was shared with handful trusted members
- Continue leaving retaliatory feedback but others just ignore and decides to move on.

People are leaving positive feedback
- To impress high rank members to climb the reputation ladder.
- To impress their employers
- They want to have the person in their favour because the person is too arrogant and complected to handle

People are leaving neutral feedback
- They know leaving a negative will look them too bad

People seeking positive feedback:
- By taking loans
- Busting scams as it's a profession
- Hunting alts same as it's a profession
- Constantly policing to make a name

Members are doing all sorts of unethical practice (very less people are doing it from moral obligation) for their personal benefit and satisfaction just to build up a great reputation. Then they are pitching these reputation to advertisers to hire them.
Again these are my personal observations. If I would give this post more time then I could have write more but anyway.

Bitlucy and my lost reputation
I had no control over any finance and independent decision making in bitlucy. It was not my project, I was offered 10% of the revenue. There were no contract, no legal documents (I was promised but there I made one mistake that I never should have done in my entire life, I can only regret it) but some verbal promise. My trust, my honesty, my loyalty was used so badly that even I lost over $6.2k from my own pocket plus 14 to 16 hours of works for two to three long months without having offs (one or two days I took I guess). But many people don't believe it, some people are even over interested and blaming everything on me. It made them pissed because I did not share conversation log, blockchain evidences (I can't remember if I did it in public) in public. I did not share in public because it could insecure my privacy, but they kept demanding it.

What hurt me the most that none of the people from the bitlucy team who worked with me from the forum (Including Legendary and hero members) thought to say a word that bitlucy was not my project and I did not have major decision making role. But anyway, I respect others privacy and the decision they choose to take, they decided whatever they thought was good for them. Maybe they are scared to back me publicly, in case they also discover reputation crisis like me.

Why I decided to keep casino critique official account disconnected from my personal account in public?
After bitlucy scam, I gone through mental trauma. Losing savings, defending reputation eventually losing it, major clash with two over interested forum members - everything was too much to take. At some point I realized whatever I do, they will hunt to destroy me. I was in depression because I was too attached with everything related to save the forum reputation. I was too depressed that I had to consult with doctor and was taking treatments. I lost business, lost savings, lost the respect from the community - all were not easy to deal with especially when this place is a part of my daily life and mental emotion.

In the mean time, I was looking for something. Then the idea of Casino Critique born. But with the ruined situation of my personal account especially not wanting to deal with the two specific members anymore, I decided to keep it disconnected from my personal account so that I can focus on the project only.

I was successfully working until someone decided to create this topic. But they failed anyway, since I was ignoring to response trolls. Everything was going as planned until Poker Player decided to break the trust that I had for him. He felt himself so important that even knowing the reason, even knowing all other members who know who I am but respecting my private request - he decided to disclose it.

Basically it's my fault that I picked wrong guy who was too sick to take this chance to get some attention. He was seeking for it from the last few days, that's another topic to talk anyway. Truth is the reason I trusted him because he successfully created an image around him of trusting him but it turns out trusting poker player with nondisclosure information is a wrong choice.

Again, since I will not have any contribution in the related topics, anyone who tells anything after this post, is not going to get any response from me. It's not that I am ignoring you, or don't want to response to clear anything that you want to know, it's because I need peace, I want to stay mentally healthy.

I am working on to shake the peace and going to give my 100% focus in casinocritique.com. I am proud to have a lovely team, they are backing me mentally. I don't want to let them down. Our hustle will end once Casino Critique will be one of the leaders in crypto casino industry.

Cheers,

I appreciate you read the last long post, I don't expect you to read everything from this too. Here is the straight answer of your simple question.
"...with the ruined situation of my personal account especially not wanting to deal with the two specific members anymore, I decided to keep it disconnected from my personal account so that I could focus on the project only. "

Then I'm totally confused now why this was such a big deal with 5 pages of cover up. How could you possibly not have seen that trying to keep a secret that was impossible to keep (given the number of people involved) would backfire and make you look like you're scheming something fishy.

Let me not name there names but put the links. I hope they would see the situation I am in which is forcing me to bring their profiles without asking their permission. Please don't see it unnecessary, please forgive me. I am totally lost.

Okay since you asked:

Former escrow team members:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hhampuz-881377
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/direwolfm14-2003859

Team members:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baoo-1139993
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wwzsocki-131333
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joca97-325028
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/little-mouse-2344286
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blawpaw-146583
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thelead123-2473857
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/robelneo-205954
And few more who left the team or removed for various reasons including https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/naim027-1187984

Users (except one or two, like I said only those who I thought I am comfortable to disclose) on this spreadsheet who was offered free chips:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FEo0vBAyBOE5ZFDu9Z-LmOtc7iy2UKXETl878Ydj51c/edit?usp=sharing

There are also many others who are offered to join partnership and or done some work for the project to get paid / or have promised to get paid.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptopreneurbrainboss-1052091
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/davef-300014
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/the-sceptical-chymist-487418

And many more users, I do not have a list in hand and I can not remember all of them.

If I reached out to them from Casino Critique account then I told them I am Royse777, if I reached out to them from my personal account then I said Casino Critique is the official account. In every case I told them why I don't want to disclose it in public. None of them seems to be pissed. Some of them even suggested me it's better to do considering the situation I am in after bitlucy scam and some over interested users to reacting in that.

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Too all of you guys (team members and free chip holders). It feels to me I am using all your names to defend myself. If this was only about Royse777 then I would not care, but since Poker Player tagged our official account I have no other way but to use everything in my hand to protect it. Again please forgive me.

I do not have words to answer you. You are one of those who supported my ban appeal. I appreciate it. I had very little interaction with you, and You knew about my post quality and ability to build a reputation. That was the only reason why you supported my ban appeal. With the naim027 account, I never asked for a post review. I guess you agree with that.

I want to mention again that none of my accounts were created after I got banned. My account was active before I got banned. I asked you via PM if you allow post reviews for alt accounts. Yes, I tried to escape with not banned AnotherAlt and Cryptosoul accounts. That was my wrong move.

Before that, The community had already proved me a liar and speculated a lot of things about me. There was a time when I was thinking of telling the community those were my alts, but I ended up evading the ban. I don't want to mention the username, but I am telling you that people offered me another account to continue on the forum (Evading the ban) via PM. I didn't accept the offer, but it encouraged me to continue with my existing accounts. There was another story about why I sent eight merits to the Dic3l0v3r account. A Legendary member was offering me a merit exchange. I did that with him and thought, why not do it with my alt. After a week or so, I saw it was not allowed. 

I don't want to ruin their reputation just because my reputation was ruined. But if you promise me privacy security, I can give you my account credentials, and you can check those PMs yourself.

I was a noob guy and learned everything from this community. This community made me like this. I was not smart enough to understand what I should allow or not. But things happen.

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Is it was on the forum? On which post? Help me quote the post, please.

Who are all those who knew it?

Pardon if I am confused now. Are you telling the CC team members and former escrow team did not know who is forum account Casino Critique?
If that's you got then you have wrong information.
All core team members and former escrow team members know Casino Critique is me.

In addition to, there are some other known forum members (I felt comfortable to disclose) to whom I offered free chips or other to whom I was reaching out to assemble the team - I told them who casino critique is and why I am hiding it from public. One of them were Poker Player too, I trusted him to keep it in PM and hidden from public.

Update:
I just noticed Poker Player, you left negative feedback to Casino Critique account too.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3490051
Casino Critique is not a personal account but an official account which represent the project CasinoCritique.com. The project consists of other 5 forum members. How it's appropriate to leave a red feedback because of whatever reputation I managed to have?

It's really sad to see people getting caught red-handed doing something shady and continuing to argue it on "procedural" grounds. It doesn't matter how offended or betrayed you feel, Royse777. Not in this context anyway.

I don't understand the logic of not disclosing your sockpuppeting to people involved in the project but disclosing it to outsiders, if I correctly understand what's happening here. Regardless of how it leaked, I'd be pissed if I had any dealings with CC and didn't know that you were CC.

Now it sounds that you're not regretting your own behavior but the fact that you got caught, which is what scammers tend to do.

Casino Critique is an official account which is representing a business where I am not the only one.
Hack it's worthless to tell you anything. It was my fault that I chose wrong guy to tell the secret who seemed a member I thought I could trust.

My worse nightmare of keeping Casino Critique disconnected from my personal account turned out to be a reality now.

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There are evidences. But like I said always, I am not going to make the log pubic, I explained my reason too why I can not. There are also members who were shown data in private (since I do not want to bring everything public) that at least should prove that bitlucy and me was not the same person.

Now coming to major roles or minor roles, It was no secret that I always told I was offered 10% that he was promised me but of course it was just promise. There were no written contract or legal things. It was just words. In reality I lost cash out of my pocket, which is no secret.

You did not have to believe my word if some of the people who were involved (worked) in Bitlucy would willingly come and tell about my involvement and role. There were at least 4 to 5 users including Legendary and Hero members who are still around but I never seen them to tell a single word yet. Are they scared that they may have the same reputation issue if they come and tell anything?

At least one or two of them could come here and tell that I and Bitlucy were two different persons and I was offered 10% of the profit that bitlucy will make. They obviously was seeing who was controlling finance and every major things on the website.

Promise, privacy even if that was not confirmed by me to keep or not, matters for me (that's why even after all these insults, disbelieve, trashing - I am still not mentioning any of the names). I was trusting you with Casino Critique keeping hidden but you broke it (yeah you did not promise, I get it).

Should you think anyone else will ever tell you anything that was meant to be private for them. I will not trust you anymore with any confidential information. And I suggest everyone to think twice to do the same.

It's not like I was actively defending AnotherAlt, I was just ignoring and not talking about it. I can act/react/stay silent[1] in anything that I want.
Are you telling I am forced to speak every single incident that is happening on the forum?

We? "you can't be trusted"? Who are these we? There are still a lot of people who trust me for over $0.01*10,000x. Still I am actively single handily holding a bitcoin wallet key for an escrow that I did not ask for, it sounds cheap that I am using it in an argument. Feel free to find it. So when you are saying "we", you are manipulating your logic to fit your desire instead of apologizing of the wrong doing you did by breaking the trust I put in you.

And trusting with the money involved in the CC project?
I still don't understand how would you fail to understand it was a 2 of 3 multisig wallet unless you believe that the two other cosigners have not earned a name yet to listen whatever I tell them.

Hire naim for project when he is banned from the forum?
Should I not hire people who will work hard for the project even knowing that they are not getting paid for the work until the project makes money.
Start a project with zero fund in hand. Then you will realize how hard it is.

I PMed over 10 users to be the cosigner of the escrow once two of the escrow told they can not continue for their busy schedule. All of them denied more or less for the same reason. One was going extra mile saying he does not think he can do it considering the reputation/mess, in other words he sounded he was not feeling secure because it may effect his reputation. He was also saying we can not raise the money we are expecting so there is no value in it for him.

You see, when you have money everyone will do everything for you but when you don't have it then no one will take risk, very few will be same like minded as you and will be willing to work.
I have contacted a lot of users to be in the project but when they learn they will not get paid until we make a revenue then they back up. Yeah we are lucky in the way we got few people who are currently in the team and believe in the project. If they were not in the project then it would have been impossible to bring it live (technically we are still working to bring it live).

[1]. I do not want to specifically point it since none of you may not notice, it's better to keep it that way. I noticed similar example of being silent from another user (well not just a user but far more than a user). Everyone has their right to stay silent in any incident if they chose to.

Since Royse777 is CasinoCritique, and CasinoCritique is raising funds, shouldn't CasinoCritique be tagged as well? The people who deal with CasinoCritique have no idea what the history of the holder of that account is. I think it is the duty of other members who know to put the same tags on CasinoCritique that are on Royse777. Then the person dealing with CasinoCritique would decide for themselves upon reading those tags.

It's not like if you create a new account you get a fresh new start like no one knows what your past was.

Edit: Have done so myself and tagged CasinoCritique, with reference to Royse777 account.

Well to be fair, anyone could have been behind an account with that username.  Did any of us have any reason to suspect that it was naim027?  If there was, I sure as hell missed it, though I knew it was Crypt0Soul's alt account.

If there were any DT members who gave Poker Player a neg for negging Royse777 and/or naim027 and his alts, I think they'd be making a mistake by doing so.  Not a big enough mistake to warrant an exclusion from my trust list, but this is a case where there shouldn't be any trust retaliation--Poker Player laid out his reasons, and IMO they're solid enough to justify him leaving a neg.

That said, I have no idea who's on DT these days.  Probably almost everyone posting in this thread, right?

Funny how he chose the AnotherAlt username and It was right in our faces this whole time

I don't think any sensible DT member would send retaliatory feedback.

When I go to the website I see some inappropriate texts right now but since you archived it or it was archived before, when I go to the archived version I can see there is a picture, phone number with the email address.

One can not find it via the forum only if you remove the URL. The information can be in the clear net which is not a problem but it can not be linked to the forum via public boards. It has to be in the investigation board if it's necessary to have it on the forum.

I'm not sure about that because I didn't post his personal information on that website, he did it himself. But I've removed the archived version because it's not relevant to proving my point anyway.


He published his private email address willingly, everything else has already been crawled by spiders since his website was public anyway. That's exactly why I said that his so-called concern for his privacy is a bunch of bullshit.


EDIT:


A website URL is not considered personal information and the content of his website is up to him (his website currently contains no personal information as far as I can see):

FatFork, you are not allowed to post archive link that has personal information. Knowingly or unknowingly it may harm the person. If you really want to keep the link then everything deserve to be in the investigation board or it should be deleted. I don't know what consequences it will bring for you if you don't delete it, you can not move it to investigation board since you are not the topic creator.

If you are not aware then read this

Did naim ever posted the URL on the forum? If he posted it before then it might be fine but if he did not then you are liable for it to bring it on the forum.

Update:
I reported the post so that mod can take care of it. But I think it's better if you delete it before search engine crawl it and have a cache version. It may already did, we don't know.

Another update:
It's better if you remove the website URL too. It still exists in the clear web which is linked to the forum.

As far as Casino Critique is concerned, naim027's involvement wouldn't matter to me much, even after he was revealed to have those other alt accounts.  It's not the worst offense in the world to have concealed that fact, even though it wasn't honest.  The fact is that he's not the only team member, and he's certainly not running CC (to the best of my knowledge; I've been fooled before).

I'm pissed only because he hid the fact that AnotherAlt and Cryp0Soul were his alts, and he was asking for post history reviews with the naim027 account still appealing a ban.  He made no secret that those two accounts were under his control, but he hid the fact that the naim027 acccount was also his, likely knowing I'd never give merits to either alt if I knew it.

Yeah, that sounds like a sayonara from somebody who knows they're finished on the forum.  They usually write something like that or go out in a fit of rage.

Yeah, maturity isn't exactly his strong point.