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Quote from: LoyceV on December 06, 2023, 06:14:29 AM

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think it increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

These are two completely different services and two different campaigns.
I am a little surprised by the decision to increase the pay rate in this campaign, but looking at the big picture, maybe it's understandable.
It is about Tumbler Mixer, which has already invested a lot of money in the review campaign, design contest, etc... They have already deposited the funds in escrow for the signature campaign, and now that they are slowly getting to the point where they expect the return of the investment, they have been announced to be excluded from the forum. So they decided, there is no return of money from escrow, but do as much as you can until the end of the period.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 06, 2023, 06:14:29 AM

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

If you say that yourself, you make me think that what we have repeated so much over the years about bitcoin being uncensurable has been revealed to be untrue. We've seen some opinions along those lines in the following thread as well:

OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored

But I disagree with you on the other point:

Quote from: LoyceV on December 06, 2023, 06:14:29 AM

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think it increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I don't see what difference it makes. Mixer campaigns have decided to continue during the grace period, and some have decided to raise rates (probably because they have just started advertising and want to take advantage of the remaining month), while others have lowered them. It's not breaking the rules anyway and I don't think it makes much difference. What will make the difference will be the ban from 1 January.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 05, 2023, 01:23:23 PM

While everyone thinks that Royse777 is looking for a lawyer. In the meantime hr is busy arguing 😕

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on December 04, 2023, 04:31:54 PM

I was asked to make the pay rate $14 per post which I could do very easily since the money is not going out of my pocket but imagine would that benefit the project? No.

As a campaign manager I think our job is to balance the marketing budget and the ROI. Sinbad was a prime example of a successful brand until ...

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 05, 2023, 01:23:23 PM

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

This doesn't good look for a campaign manager to argue with another one. When one of your project got all other banned and you are busy self praising yourself.

Have you ever watched Pat & Mat ? It's really interesting if you watch it all. Every now and then I see pat and mat coming here like commercial breaks.
Are you a participant of that campaign? If you are, then you are in big trouble if you want to get paid with stolen money, and if you are not, then again you are just making a fool of yourself, but yes, it's all his fault right? Why nobody said anything when they were getting paid? Keep waiting for your payments from STOLEN money. Are you kidding me?
This is the proof that most of people here are immature teenagers.

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While everyone thinks that Royse777 is looking for a lawyer. In the meantime hr is busy arguing 😕

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Quote from: fillippone on December 04, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

[banned mixer] raised their payrate to 10 USD until end of campaign. Finally beating the payrate of CM.
Any news from MixTum? Asking for a friend.

Did you mean Tumbler?

This is just a trick... and it is unlikely that they could compete with MixTum if there had not been a ban since January 1 (in every sense of the word).

As for the campaign... the campaign is still ongoing, as I have not yet received a response from MixTum.
This week I even took on two new members to the campaign.

Isn't it a very bold statement to tell something like this for one over another one?
I was asked to make the pay rate $14 per post which I could do very easily since the money is not going out of my pocket but imagine would that benefit the project? No.

As a campaign manager I think our job is to balance the marketing budget and the ROI. Sinbad was a prime example of a successful brand until ...

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

This doesn't good look for a campaign manager to argue with another one. When one of your project got all other banned and you are busy self praising yourself.

This my point of view and some of you would not accept it. Those who don't, please do share a valid reason.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

I didn't notice this topic before, so I'll answer Op directly.
I do not know how you came up with the idea that Royce would not pay the participants in the last week of the campaign, especially since you did not provide any possible motives for the hypothesis that he would not do so. Yes, he actually did not pay the participants their wages for the last week, but this was justified and you yourself referred to it in your quote from Royce. Are you alluding to the hypothesis that Royce will silence the participants? Can you provide a logical explanation for why there is such mistrust? The participants themselves repeatedly stressed that Royce's decision to freeze payments was wise, especially since Royce knew that he would not touch any Bitcoin at that address before consulting his lawyer. I don't think he will need to explain further.

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Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back. It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public. I got a bunch of answers. And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves. Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

I already asked this question when the issue of private spreadsheets became rampant. Although I didn't get an answer. There's a difference when a common user like me asks a question and when a reputable member like you asks a question. Your questions and opinions opinions will surely be respected.

But as someone already said, if the escrow address is made public, the essence of hidden spreadsheet is defeated. If I search the escrow address on a campaign pay day, I will be able to see all the campaign participants address, maybe I will have issues linking them, but a little more time will still reveal all.

None of it should be public. The manager can just confirm they have funds for the week. Participants believe or leave, simple.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 02, 2023, 04:54:13 AM

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back. It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public. I got a bunch of answers. And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves. Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

I already asked this question when the issue of private spreadsheets became rampant. Although I didn't get an answer. There's a difference when a common user like me asks a question and when a reputable member like you asks a question. Your questions and opinions opinions will surely be respected.

But as someone already said, if the escrow address is made public, the essence of hidden spreadsheet is defeated. If I search the escrow address on a campaign pay day, I will be able to see all the campaign participants address, maybe I will have issues linking them, but a little more time will still reveal all.

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Quote from: SamReomo on December 03, 2023, 07:03:45 AM

Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments?

Are you okay or there's something wrong with you? The manager isn't sending payments to the participants because he want them to be safe from the actions that can be taken against them if they receive payments from that wallet.

Royse777 is just a campaign manager who was managing the funds of that wallet on the behalf or Sinbad for paying the participants who were promoting it on their profiles. He isn't doing any fraud and everyone agrees with whatever decision Royse will take for safety of them.

Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Stop saying such rude words about a campaign manager who has been doing really great on the forum for a long time and he has proven himself worthy of trust. You're saying these words because you have some personal issues I guess with Royse, I would say keep your personal issues with yourself and stop promoting such hatred towards a guy like Royse.

I agree with this and more people should see it as you explain this. Royse doing this to help the users in the campaign not because he/she want to steal anything. That atleast what I think.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

As far as I know, Royse777 has a legitimately registered business in which he offers marketing services, including campaign signatures. I believe that when registering his business he had to appear under his real name, so taking into account everything that happens with the "risky" address, he is mostly exposed to potential liability.

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Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected];
Digital Currency Address - XBT bc1qq7p0es3dv5hcynjjf40f2xjjr6qp5py47d2f6n847vduuq9gvnyq7y9ecd; alt.
Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JHdQHkBZiim1cb4hyUh2PbzEbbg6z2TrF; Secondary sanctions risk:

I'm surprised they don't have more Bitcoin addresses on that list.

One is the escrow address from the signature thread, the other I think was on the site, used only for signatures. It seems that the investigation did not find many things, at least not to the extent that it was in the CM case.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Sorry, I just saw this and I would like to reply to the OP directly.

As much as I love everyone to get paid, you should know that the BTC address sending the money is a subject of controversy right now and it's a big case we are talking about. This is to the point that Binance, which is the largest crypto exchange issued a warning and advice against that escrowed BTC address used by Royse77. At this point, it's high time that he is more cautious and involving a legal adviser can't be a bad idea. Who knows if the law enforcers are after him already? This is possible until they know the actual facts.

In other words, that account is a dangerous one now and is under investigation, it's wise that he stopped the payment until further notice.

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on November 30, 2023, 08:18:40 AM

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

Obari, no need to worry, I hope their will be no serious action against user who received payment. Honestly i didn't recieved any reply from BINANCE after submitting form. Form just contained sample inquiry like

Do you known wallet owner?
What relationship you have with address?
what is the purpose of recieving payment?
and at the last send screenshots or documents for proof

In my country there are no strict rules. crypto transaction is banned in our country but still no inquiry has been made against anyone. I withdraw all my fund after I recieved message and now I am feeling comfortable now.

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Quote from: avp2306 on December 03, 2023, 02:55:59 AM

To erase the doubts by people like OP and settlement of the issue like this much better if Royse contact the owner and ask them to grab a new balance away from being used on their mixer then pay those participants. And once they are paid then he can return back the tinted funds to the owner of Sinbad.

In other words, you are suggesting that he should secretly cooperate with criminals, like nothing has happened? Are you actually suggesting how to return stolen funds back to the thieves? I'm sure those criminals if have any honor, they would send clean coins to participants, and forget they ever had that amount in escrow address, but I guess there is no honor among criminals.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments?

Are you okay or there's something wrong with you? The manager isn't sending payments to the participants because he want them to be safe from the actions that can be taken against them if they receive payments from that wallet.

Royse777 is just a campaign manager who was managing the funds of that wallet on the behalf or Sinbad for paying the participants who were promoting it on their profiles. He isn't doing any fraud and everyone agrees with whatever decision Royse will take for safety of them.

Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Stop saying such rude words about a campaign manager who has been doing really great on the forum for a long time and he has proven himself worthy of trust. You're saying these words because you have some personal issues I guess with Royse, I would say keep your personal issues with yourself and stop promoting such hatred towards a guy like Royse.

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To erase the doubts by people like OP and settlement of the issue like this much better if Royse contact the owner and ask them to grab a new balance away from being used on their mixer then pay those participants. And once they are paid then he can return back the tinted funds to the owner of Sinbad.

Its so hard to released the funds handled by Royse since if government will trace out each transaction made for sure they will be traced. Government who handle the case could ask the data's on the exchangers where it last land and ask the identity of the owner of this addresses, from that for sure they will be in huge trouble.

People need to think carefully about this since this is serious case.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 08:14:05 AM

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Not a campaign participant myself and neither is the OP, but I worry more about Royse777's well-being surrounding this case rather than the fact of one week of blotched campaign payments. Not to mention the campaign participants who may get dragged up to this if any further movement from that escrow wallet if occurs.

Making the spreadsheets public but with the address's tab omitted seems to be a option worth seeking. Although it is fairly easy to check up public addresses posted by any user and also helps track alt-accounts from that data if kept public.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 02, 2023, 10:34:17 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 02, 2023, 04:54:13 AM

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

The point is it is not enough.

It starts from the beginning, the Escrow address of the campaign fund. Because people usually ask for campaign fund in an Escrow address and some managers publicly announce that address, it is a start of nightmare.

So if the Escrow address is known, nothing later will make sense even the whole spreadsheet is hidden and private.

I know even don't announce the Escrow address will not make sure all campaign participant's addresses will not be blacked list when a service is sanctioned but maybe it will require more steps from the CIA. to do this.

My point was that none of it be public. The only known is between the manager and the company. The manager can confirm they're holding a balance and can pay for the week or whatnot, but not publicly release an address or spreadsheet.

Can stuff still be traced through the blockchain? Yes, but it will be made a little harder as whoever might be watching will have to watch the blockchain day and night and look for similar transactions and then piece them together.

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on November 30, 2023, 08:18:40 AM

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 02, 2023, 04:54:13 AM

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

The point is it is not enough.

It starts from the beginning, the Escrow address of the campaign fund. Because people usually ask for campaign fund in an Escrow address and some managers publicly announce that address, it is a start of nightmare.

So if the Escrow address is known, nothing later will make sense even the whole spreadsheet is hidden and private.

I know even don't announce the Escrow address will not make sure all campaign participant's addresses will not be blacked list when a service is sanctioned but maybe it will require more steps from the CIA. to do this.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 02, 2023, 04:54:13 AM

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I guess I have seen this already. I guess it was Royse777 who handled the campaign and the campaign was bettercallraul. The spreadsheet was hidden the campaign participants only had access to the spreadsheet. So, this won't be bad for campaign managers to hide their campaign spreadsheets even though sometimes people spot errors on those spreadsheets, and sometimes scam busters use these spreadsheets to match data between users.

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