Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/ - page 7.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 09:14:05 AM

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 30, 2023, 07:30:52 AM

The case is serious and I am considering not to touch any funds that is in the escrow address right now unless I speak to a lawyer. This means no one is going to receive anymore payments unless I have a direction from the lawyer. It's for the safety of everyone.

Is members of sinbad.io campaign not aware of the issues that is happening between sinbad.io and law enforcement agencies currently, so what I stand to tell you is that Royse can only pay participate whenever every thing is settled and if sinbad.io remember to her participants, because right nobody will question royse or lay any accusations for not paying the participants because is not his fault, its the fault of the company and its open, according what I read concerning chipmixer, when the issues of chipmixer came I believe that chipmixer did not participants that week and even now, because the participants have seen with their naked eyes the company had issues with government, so any campaign manager is being hired as you who is a participant is being hired by a campaign manager, you being a campaign manager doesn't mean that you are a staff of their company, all of you is being hired, that is what I want some of you to understand

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 30, 2023, 05:56:27 PM

The user that could create this thread will be someone that's that's after Royse777 because none of the campaign participants complain of the BTC in the escrow wallet why would a user that's barely active will create a topic about the issue that the forum member are watching closely not mention about the DT member that's among the campaign participants.

It didnt cross your mind that this could be someone involved with the campaign but just didnt wanna use his main account to talk about this touchy subject? I feel like that makes a heck of a lot more sense than assuming some random guy decided to open a topic on something that dont really concern him.

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Quote from: Cantsay on November 30, 2023, 09:58:58 AM

After going through this thread^[1] I just realized that you’re not actually interested in the campaign participants getting their money instead you want to make Royse777 look like a scammer. Because I don’t see why anyone who’s in his right state of mind would create this type of thread despite all that is happening right now.

You’re not a part of the campaign neither do you have any thing to do with the project so why hurry to post this thread?

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/in-defense-of-retaliation-inspired-pms-and-royse777-camp-managements-reputation-5468985

The user that could create this thread will be someone that's that's after Royse777 because none of the campaign participants complain of the BTC in the escrow wallet why would a user that's barely active will create a topic about the issue that the forum member are watching closely not mention about the DT member that's among the campaign participants.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 30, 2023, 04:07:11 PM

Quote from: stompix on November 30, 2023, 02:52:49 PM

That's not Sinbad mixing address but the address Royse777 is paying participants from.

It is a problem if he is controlling keys for that address, but they probably added it because of connection with original sinbad address.

And that's the real problem, the fact that they posted it whiteout checking what it means, so we have two things right now
- some funds that are ( as far as I know) in Royse777 control that came from sinbad, with which he can choose to do whatever he wants, return it, send them to OLAF, screw the entire forum by sending dust to each posted address <<< seriously don't do this !!!
- an address has already go labeled as dirty, and this s*** won't get fixed, it simply won't
I've seen bad AML bots flagging exchanges addresses as bad, casino payments address as suspicious and so on, once this will spread everything that came into contact that address will become "suspicious" for these morons, so if it hasn't happened already (unsure about that screenshot someone posted) some might find themselves in trouble maybe tomorrow or in 6 months from now if they will deal with a CEX that is using one of those stupid tools.

So my advice for participants would be to try to clean whatever coins have been already received and not spent a bit before sending them to any business, and retire the address you've used to get payments till now, might sound like fearmongering to some but I'm just saying how I see things from my perspective.

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The escrow address for the campaign is under sanctions and anybody interacting with it could face legal problems. The last thing forum users want is to be subjected to privacy invasive interrogations simply for writing some mundane posts on BitcoinTalk whenever they try to transfer their funds. Some might feel like participants deserve compensation for their efforts but it should not come at the expense of the manager who risks legal problems if they knowingly violate sanctions.

Quote from: Rikafip on November 30, 2023, 12:42:19 PM

What I don't understand though is whether those who got asked by Binance to explain their connection with that address used Binance to deposit their signature campaign earnings, or they first got money on their own non-custodial wallets and then moved it to Binance?

I mean, neither of those are smart things to do but I am curious how deep Binance actually goes in their investigation.

At least 7 people were receiving campaign earnings directly to their Binance account.
https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/tx/bf0ba9d8a31df0c39e7114d767761c8b9c6bd48ae93ed69982363b7a54be99b9

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Op this thread was not to be created if really you were following up the discussion in the defunct Sinbad Signature Campaign thread. And the warning was not only from Royse777 but from other people to steer clear. Op it's like you prefer your to be tannish because of money more than having a good name. This is a clear case both the forum and outside the forum that Sinbad mixing company was used for money laundering and all those participants received money from the escrow address were suspected and Binance sent them messages to clear themselves by filling a special KYC form and here you are saying that Royse777 should use the money that is in his possession to pay the workers.

Yes the money is with and that is the fact but he can pay the participants because of the case for now. And he said it in the campaign thread before closing and locking the thread.

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 09:14:05 AM

If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

So you think it's just a matter of creating new addresses and sending funds in there? Then you must be dumber than I think you are.
The escrow address is already on the watch list, the outputs will probably be under watch as well. The law enforcement will be trying to look for every possible link to the creator Sinbad. This is a real life situation not some movie or fantasy

Quote from: light_warrior on November 30, 2023, 04:46:05 PM

Quote from: digaran on November 30, 2023, 03:02:43 PM

No onion links, you will get banned, feds haven't left yet. You guys starting too soon to resume the usual operations.😅

Is it that you can't post onion links on the forum? Where did this information come from? Can I have a link to this information where you read this, please. Because, for example, in this thread there are onion links to mixers. Is OP threatened with a ban if he doesn't remove these links from his thread?

He probably didn't understand what Theymos posted.

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Quote from: digaran on November 30, 2023, 03:02:43 PM

No onion links, you will get banned, feds haven't left yet. You guys starting too soon to resume the usual operations.😅

Is it that you can't post onion links on the forum? Where did this information come from? Can I have a link to this information where you read this, please. Because, for example, in this thread there are onion links to mixers. Is OP threatened with a ban if he doesn't remove these links from his thread?

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Hope this isn't some collateral damage aimed at hurting Royse777 reputation with what Haas happened with Sin, but with the communication given this isn't only done to protect Sig participants especially that this has been a long running campaign meaning identities could easily be uncovered from these KYC compliant exchanges as it's expected that some of these coins ended up there..and already exchanges such as Binance have an interest in any transactions that have interacted with that Sig escrow address.

Check screenshot shared by Binance affected user

Quote from: Turbartuluk on November 30, 2023, 04:24:18 AM

Tbh I think this is a bold decision taken by CM to seek best recourse as coins received could affect users legally in the real world, and to minimise the damage best to get legal advice from a cybersecurity lawyer or something before payments go out ...

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 30, 2023, 12:42:19 PM

I mean, neither of those are smart things to do but I am curious how deep Binance actually goes in their investigation.

They are probably going very deep with investigations now, since they had to pay big fines recently and CZ was almost arrested, but he probably made a deal to pay over $4 billion.
I don't understand people who are still using centralized exchanges, they can always ask you this questions and freeze your account even if you have virgin-like coins.
Anyway, I would not blame Royse for this decision, he is in tricky place right now.

Quote from: stompix on November 30, 2023, 02:52:49 PM

That's not Sinbad mixing address but the address Royse777 is paying participants from.

It is a problem if he is controlling keys for that address, but they probably added it because of connection with original sinbad address.

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No onion links, you will get banned, feds haven't left yet. You guys starting too soon to resume the usual operations.😅

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 30, 2023, 02:30:06 PM

Now that makes sense, digaran. Neither the manager nor the campaign participants had any knowledge of wrongdoing on sinbad's part--and how could they? All of these charges were just recently made public. Mixers aren't illegal in the US as far as I know, so everyone involved in the campaign was acting in good faith by assuming sinbad wasn't guilty of something....kind of how we should treat any project that doesn't show obvious signs of shady shit going on.

The justice department goes after big fish, not minnows. If they took any action against campaign participants, I'd be very surprised.

It's not about the us government going after them or the FBI raiding their homes or some SEALs team popping from their Christmas presents Grin

The problem lies with he fact that on the indictment you have this:
https://ofac.treasury.gov/recent-actions/20231129

http://sinbadiovklgdbafpqvwfwjh2tfrisahtxmrskiovt62nirragcnkcad.onion;

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Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected];
Digital Currency Address - XBT bc1qq7p0es3dv5hcynjjf40f2xjjr6qp5py47d2f6n847vduuq9gvnyq7y9ecd; alt.
Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JHdQHkBZiim1cb4hyUh2PbzEbbg6z2TrF; Secondary sanctions risk:

That's not Sinbad mixing address but the address Royse777 is paying participants from.
Of course, is a confusion, but to sleep peacefully you have to:
- explain the exchange why their crappy AML bot flagged your funds as from coming from a sanction address under terrorism suspicion - good luck
- mail OLAF and tell them that wasn't used for mixing it was used for advertising the mixing service they closed and ask them to change the document - good luck again with your suicide wish

So, bottom line, I wouldn't touch those coins even if they were free or you would pay me double to get them!

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 09:14:05 AM

I think that you are way too zealous on throwing stones. I don't see any part that tells that people will not be paid at all. It only tells about a delay because of the talks / certainty he needs.
I can understand that it's an unpleasant situation (plus bad timing because of the holidays), but this kind of situations need mostly patience.
I think that Royse777 will come - sooner or later - with updates and probably also with the payments (from that wallet or from another).

But what if they don't pay at all? Do you think that would warrant for negative trust? I would like to know your opinion, or wouldn't be better for him to just share all the funds between participants?

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As for me safety comes first. Royse777 has been managing campaigns without any issue till now. And I'm pretty sure he'll solve this issue very professionally. As for the funds, it should better stay where it is now. Not a good idea to stir the situation any further. Also, I don't see any participant complaining about due payments. Everyone understands, how difficult and complicated the situation is. So there is no need to force anything or anyone.

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Quote from: digaran on November 30, 2023, 09:38:42 AM

you were just a manager unaware of anything illicit, and now that funds are considered stolen funds, anyone asking for a payment will be marked as a thief

Now that makes sense, digaran. Neither the manager nor the campaign participants had any knowledge of wrongdoing on sinbad's part--and how could they? All of these charges were just recently made public. Mixers aren't illegal in the US as far as I know, so everyone involved in the campaign was acting in good faith by assuming sinbad wasn't guilty of something....kind of how we should treat any project that doesn't show obvious signs of shady shit going on.

The justice department goes after big fish, not minnows. If they took any action against campaign participants, I'd be very surprised.

Quote from: target on November 30, 2023, 01:08:21 PM

Royse is preventing funds from getting seized which is a good decision rather than just allowing each user to deal with it.

I agree, since there's a lot of uncertainty at the moment as to what the feds might do. I have my doubts about them trying to track down a bunch of people who didn't profit massively from sinbad or even use their service, but you just never know.

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 30, 2023, 12:42:19 PM

What I don't understand though is whether those who got asked by Binance to explain their connection with that address used Binance to deposit their signature campaign earnings, or they first got money on their own non-custodial wallets and then moved it to Binance?
I mean, neither of those are smart things to do but I am curious how deep Binance actually goes in their investigation.

I think that in the event that the funds went directly from the campaign address to CEX, there can be no doubt as to where they came from and that is a problem for anyone who received payments in that way - while in the event that there is another address in between, there can be justified suspicion that the client is not directly connected to the mixer.

I think that CEX never seriously analyzed the transactions in the sense that it froze funds that have to do something with "mixed coins" that are not directly related to any major crime. In other words, I never got bad feedback from the people I sent payments to their B accounts, but of course I never allowed those transactions to be in any way connected to the addresses I used in the campaigns. In other words, even though the coins were "mixed", it was never a problem for the exchange.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 30, 2023, 11:32:32 AM

Working for a mixer and depositing what they pay you in a CEX, even more by doing it just like that, without going through a previous coinjoin for example, I don't quite understand, I would appreciate it if someone could explain it to me.

On the other hand, Royse777 is right to consult a lawyer before making any other move, as things stand.

It goes to show how much campaign participants do not use the service they promote. Because if they did, they would not deposit the bitcoins into a centralized exchange directly. I don’t think coinjoin helps because I suspect Binance may just add the user to their watchlist. I thought we all expect a platform that requires its users to perform KYC will not accept mixed or as they like to call it “tainted” coins. Binance is doing a lot of crypto policing these days, and considering recent events in the company it seems they will be willingly to do anything to get in the good graces of crypto regulators.

I think Royse777 made a good call. No manager wants to be in this type of situation.

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Royse is preventing funds from getting seized which is a good decision rather than just allowing each user to deal with it.

The participants can talk about what to do with funds, maybe trade they can sell the coins to Royse himself and Royse send them the stablecoin in exchange for those BTC. Its possible and let Royse handle those coins in his wallet, is it possible that his wallet is already tagged?

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Quote from: airfinex on November 30, 2023, 09:14:05 AM

I think that you are way too zealous on throwing stones. I don't see any part that tells that people will not be paid at all. It only tells about a delay because of the talks / certainty he needs.
I can understand that it's an unpleasant situation (plus bad timing because of the holidays), but this kind of situations need mostly patience.
I think that Royse777 will come - sooner or later - with updates and probably also with the payments (from that wallet or from another).

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 30, 2023, 11:32:32 AM

Working for a mixer and depositing what they pay you in a CEX, even more by doing it just like that, without going through a previous coinjoin for example, I don't quite understand, I would appreciate it if someone could explain it to me.

What I don't understand though is whether those who got asked by Binance to explain their connection with that address used Binance to deposit their signature campaign earnings, or they first got money on their own non-custodial wallets and then moved it to Binance?

I mean, neither of those are smart things to do but I am curious how deep Binance actually goes in their investigation.

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