Topic: Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/ - page 3. (Read 3363 times)

You are free to express your thoughts and criticise others, but when someone does the same thing, it becomes "are you hired by Royse to defend him?" It is so disrespectful and strange for you to believe that everyone must have identical opinions to yours. Royse has always struck me as someone who safeguards his clients' interests while not abusing the marketing budget. As a competent manager/promoter, your priority is to serve your client's interests against all odds, and Royse did just that.

Since theymos' announcement, the community has been less hospitable and accepting to mixers. I witnessed 2-3 Mixers halt signature operations on the forum a few weeks back and there was no cough about it or concerns about the sudden stop, so why does Royse's decision constantly raise the dick of everyone on the reputation board?


He stopped the campaign on what purpose? If this is not hate then I don't know what it is. You're a Mafia spy and a friend of The Sherrif, but this isn't the way to go.

Wait! Sorry, you are confusing me now. I need to read all the Messages you sent from the start again. Too many of them LOL

In case anyone missed it, or doesn't usually visit that section, Royse777 posted a thread on B&H that contains useful tips on how to make money on the forum but contains a subtle part that I think has quite a bit to do with this:


The thread is:

How to sell yourserlf to potential advertisers | sales pitches included

To my mind the subtle part about icopress and GazetaBitcoin should be discussed here or in some other thread in the Reputation section, not in the B&H one.

I know who you're referring to here and even a few details about what you're talking about, even if other might not.  Speaking for myself only, I'm not taking sides in any feud between you and the other party because you both manage campaigns well.  You're in a tough spot here, but I think most people understand your position and that it was probably the safest, best move you could make even if it leaves a number of members unhappy.  Nobody expected mixer advertising to be eliminated or that some of them were up to shady shit.  

I don't know.  I think you've said all you can say, and you know you're not going to make everyone happy.  Continuing to argue about this is just going to aggravate you and anyone else who engages in the argument.

Ugh.  That's unfortunate, but believe me I know how you feel.  If I didn't think that bitcoin was and always will be the king of cryptocurrency, I'd be gone in a heartbeat--but I do think that, and plus I really like this forum even when Theymos drops a hammer like he did this month.  

I've always thought that bitcoin is for saving, not spending, and thus the wicked fees haven't bothered me much (not that I save a lot anyway).  That issue has been a long-standing one with seemingly no resolution, so why let it get on your nerves now?

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Errrrrrr....rewind what I wrote above for a sec.  I think I missed what you just said Royse777 did, as I don't generally follow campaign threads in the Services section.  I revert to a neutral stance until I figure things out.

(BTW, I'm posting and then reading the thread backwards as usual.  Sorry.)

Maybe that's how you act, but it's certainly not in my case. I'm not defending anyone here, if you read my whole post again, you'll see that I'm just pointing out your biased views. Also, do we have to leave the campaign to express an opinion?

Is it right if I tell you that you should be ashamed of what you said and that it speaks about who you really are?
Considering your later statement...

but we will agree that it is nonsense and that there is no need to cause conflict with insults. I usually withdraw from such discussions, which I will probably do here after this post.




I criticized him too, of course. Especially for his new system of payment rates, but it seems that you missed that. For some things, I sent him a PM on Telegram, just to make sure he read my critics. I noticed later that he adapted some things from the criticisms I gave him.


He is not the owner of other forums, and I have seen other managers there as well. I'm not sure what the argument is here.
I think I'm older than him (not only on this forum) and I don't need to kiss his or someone's ass, I refused that in RL for much more money than $150 per week.


Again, don't look at the whole thing only from the point of view of mixer signature campaigns, they are not the centre of all events. We have only a few campaigns that last several years, and in the meantime, there were quite a few short-lived ones.
As far as I can see, the Coinomize campaign is open, although it still has a maximum duration of 2,5 weeks. I don't see that we need to make a drama about it.


What net are you talking about? Well, I didn't marry him and the mixer campaign.

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btw. I haven't enjoyed it for a while, Honestly, I'm almost very close to the decision to leave all this BS (not only the forum) because of many regulations and restrictions, increasingly rigorous KYC, BRC garbage and f****n high fees... quite dysfunctional for some of my needs. theymos' ban plus the things he caused just added fuel to the fire.

No. That was only the edge of the iceberg. Besides, I did not create a thread against Ratimov, but one addressing his behavior as DT. Apparently, after reading what I wrote there

LoyceV, Foxpup, fillippone, The Pharmacist, 1miau, icopress, NeuroticFish, vapourminer, Poker Player, philipma1957, BitcoinGirl.Club, lovesmayfamilis, klarki, jokers10, zasad@, wwzsoki, JollyGood, holydarkness, Rikafip, Brainboss, bullrun2020bro, Stalker22, examplens, Bitcoin_Arena, witcher_sense, Charles-Tim, sheenshane, tvplus006, Coin-1, YOSHIE, yahoo62278, witcher_sense, DaveF, suchmoon, mikeywith, DYING_S0UL, The0ldl_lser, Nestade, iwantmysecond1000yardsbackyardpaidwithbtctoo, owlcatz, Learn Bitcoin, nakamura12, Despairo, SmartGold01, DireWolfM14, light_warrior, PowerGlove, execijutiere, Synchronice, Plaguedeath, giammangiato, SatoPrincess, Husires, sokani, Smartprofit, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Wapfika, Jossque, nimogsm, sky999, my luck and Snork1979

agreed that he does not belong to DT1.


No. I stated that he does not respect other campaign managers (including Hhampuz).


What am I doing now?


Statistics. Pure statistics:



Of course he has this right. Just as 1miau would also have the right to pay 2 Legendary users with 25$ and turn that into best paying campaign ever and then stop it after 30 minutes.


Well, some things are certainly not good.


Stating that someone was banned (and he was actually banned) is disrespect? Saying someone starts endless topics of disputes (while he actually does that) is disrespect? Saying someone runs a best paying campaign for 10 days (while this actually happened) is disrespect? Saying someone was involved with a proven scam (while this actually happened) is disrespect?


If I were trolling I'd be breaking forum rule 3 and I'd get banned. I would certainly not do that. For the sake of the argument though, you can report my posts for trolling and see what happens. Maybe you are right though.


I'm not

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Oh and by the way: I was never enrolled in a campaign managed by icopress; I never worked with him as a manager; and I have not been enrolled in a signature campaign since CM was shut down (excepting 3-4 weeks).

By participating in icosomething campaigns, either by main, or by alt accounts. duh!

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This is beyond my logic, even a contradictory character like me, can't understand this. Lol
So you deny others the right of advocacy, but at the same time trying to advocate on behalf of them?

It does not look good anymore. 
Didn't you create a thread against Ratimov because he trolled you and used bad words and you thought he was abusive? Didn't you accuse Royse of disrespecting Hhampuz and another manager? If so, what are you doing now? What is the point of bringing these things to this thread? Don't you think he does have the right to pause/end the campaign anytime he wants?

You and some others are here to fuel the flame and make Royse look bad. If you expect respect from others, you have to respect others as well. Royse and Icopress are managers. They are competitors. But, when you question someone's reputation just because you are a good friend of another manager, it doesn't make you look smarter. You know what I mean.

I don't believe Icopress support such behaviour from his friends towards another manager. You are just trolling him and nothing else. Don't take this negatively. I am not in his campaigns, nor in Icopress's Campaigns. Logout from GazetaBitcoin accound and read it without being GazetaBitcoin. You will understand what I am talking about.

Thank you.
Problem is that you knew you are going to stop campaign after one week, so you fooled everyone who applied.

I bet your participants are very happy with your behavior  
Consider that my voice is 99% the voice of all your participants who cant say anything against you.

I asked him, and you are not his lawyer, so dont reply for him.
Do things how you think it is best, and good luck.
I hope people will now learn how you are doing your business.

Truth hurts I know, so you have to blame me for something.
You should be a shame of yourself for saying this, and you proved who you really are now.
Maybe you made some offer to your members to talk bad against other members like icopress  

He clearly knows something about that

Where can I get such an offer?

Yes I knew mixers will stop from January 1st. Where is the problem?

My concern is to look after the members who worked in the campaign, and my clients. I can not make everyone happy.

Related. You failed to relate it because you have general/very average or nearly no experience about marketing knowledge. Become a pro first. The discussion will be effective. It seems I am wasting my time.

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No, he is sharing his opinion just like you. You sound like, anyone who will share positive opinion about me, you will attack them with this question.
Since you think I hired people to defend me, let me ask you a rhetorical question. Do you think GazetaBitcoin, 1miau, airfinex and a few more are hired by Icopress to spread things against me? It seems he did.

Job: Brand the slogan "highest paying campaign"

I should make a list of signature participants who constantly received PMs (sometimes offered spots publicly) from a specific campaign manager with the promise to pay better. Then they were successfully manipulated to stay with him so that they can only works in his campaigns to look like he is the best in the industry.

For the record, I also sometimes send PMs to many reputable members but I never say anything to manipulate them to take unfair advantages.

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My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me. You seem ignoring everything that does not favour you in your arguments.

Look, I'm not going to get into an endless argument with you because it's going to look like I'm Royse777's personal lawyer and that's not it either. The only thing I would like to point out is two things, in the rest of what you have said I see that you are full of reasons, but now we will see what reasons he has in the new thread he says he is going to open. As a German fellow forum member says, I think I'm going to grab some popcorn and watch from the sidelines.


What are you talking about, Sinbad's funds? There is an overwhelming majority on the forum who think the best thing for Royse777 to do is not to touch those funds until he has legal advice, as he said. I'm going to take the '(pick-?) pocket' as a joke, but I'm not surprised if he takes it as an offensive one.


I took that precisely as conciliatory, as not wanting to go any further and acknowledging part of the blame, especially after Hhampuz's comment. But of course, I don't see things the way you do.

As for the rest, I repeat, I see that you are full of reasons. Now I'm off to get some popcorn.

Are you hired by Royse to defend him because you are in one of his campaigns or you are doing it for free?
I saw that you are really trying to talk about campaigns from other managers when you dont think something is right, but you obviously have to agree with everything Royse is doing.
Maybe he accepted you in other forum to continue with mixer campaign also, so you feel that you have to defend him.

This was not normal at all and dont try to make it look like it was.
He did that on purpose, and you got caught in his net, now enjoy  

There can't be a loophole here, campaign signatures are not a rule of the forum, but a possibility. Each campaign has its own rules and they are determined by the owner & manager. And no one is obliged to participate in sig. campaign.


Every manager does what he thinks is best and everyone will praise his campaigns and the way he runs them. It is quite to be expected that they claim that their campaign is the best, the most paid, the most...
I think that this is not only the case with managers but in almost every business.


This is not unique to one specific manager, I have seen similar cases in several campaigns. Here, for example, LoyceV had a special deal compared to the others in the last couple of campaigns. It is obvious to everyone and no one is discussing or asking about the conditions, why would we start such a discussion here?
Again, if you don't like someone's way of doing business, you simply ignore their offers.


Closing a campaign is not unusual and until now it has not been the practice for managers to urgently secure a place in a new campaign for participants from a closed campaign. OK, it's not a bad thing, but there's no need to make too much drama about it.


Maybe it's time for you to create a new topic in reputation, "Should Royse777 ...something...?"

That's a matter of perception. At same time, maybe that woman would appear as very beautiful to someone else. But the above information is pure statistics: that campaign lasted 10 days with that high payment.


Of course. As any wise man would do when confronted with the truth /s Like this one.


What should I conciliate with Royse? I was not in his campaign; I was not affected by his decision to (pick-?)pocket the funds. However, I can not stay blind to such actions. I just stated once that he should show more respect to other campaign managers, especially to old ones (like Hhampuz) -- is that wrong? and that constantly bragging himself is only making him to look ridiculous -- is that wrong?.

So he disrespects other campaign managers; he brags himself around with how much money he has (and which do not belong to him); he brags himself for running best paying campaign (which lasted 10 days); he does not pay the participants; he constantly looks for various conflicts (like Royse v Poker Player; Royse v icopress (+ the fact that he locked that thread suddenly, with no explanation); Royse v TL (where he did not even realize that he's complaining for a feedback left by a non-DT user, which does not influence his Trust score anyhow); Royse v JG... + his involvement with a proven scam; + the fact that he was banned for sending unsolicited PMs (LOL!)) -- and then I should conciliate with him? Conciliate what?

For the sake of the discussion, logically speaking, he should conciliate with some people: with those which he did not pay, for example. Or with those he disrespected. Or with those he disturbed by sending them so many unsolicited PMs that they could not stand anymore and reported them.

Look, I know a woman who is very ugly. I find it unpleasant to look at her face. If I were to say to her face: 'But you're ugly! I'm disgusted to look at you', I would be stating a fact. By this I mean to exemplify that there are contexts in which it is not reasonable to state certain facts, and above all to state them in a certain way.

What was Royse777's reaction? To say that he is going to counterattack, obviously.

The way you said things was not conciliatory, that's obvious.

Don't be surprised if you'll see your name on a list soon (whatever that list may be) A list exists already and it's growing (pretty fast I'd say).

I am always going to criticize any member, including managers, if I think they are doing something bad, like I did before few times.
If they want to put me on some blacklist for doing that, they can do it, but this will show that I was correct, and I am not afraid to say what I feel is right.

That's not a loophole, it's the risk of doing any business without contractual agreement.
If you don't want that, don't join the campaign. Or make a custom deal.

notblox1, be careful with what you dare to say upfront to Royse.




Yes, now he wears the crown of manager of best paying campaign. Maybe 1miau will de-throne him though