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legendary
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With the dropping volume, the only chance to avoid another drop would be if some bitcoin salesman get some simpleminded rich person to buy a lot of coins from the market.

The only thing that keeps the price from dropping is the overheated mining bubble. Most don't want to sell this low, and admit that they don't see any ROI with their mining equipment.
But this is not a solid hold, but a desperate and fragile hold. When the first miners will start to think "fck it, I'll cut my losses and move on", then their sells will trigger an avalanche. Most of the miners who are holding are nervous and they will be motivated to cut their losses if it seems like it's best to sell higher now, then lower later.
I think that everyone who are holding bitcoin's at the moment for investment purposes are fools who are taking a needless risk. You could always buy back when there will be any news that give a real reason why bitcoin price should rise. Right now they are betting against the odds, because if nothing important happens, then the volume will continue dropping with the price.

Finally, a sane person here.

"Anyone holding bitcoins at the moment for investment purposes are fools"

Sounds like you don't hold any then, Mervyn.

"Most of the miners who are holding are nervous"

Not sure who elected you a spokesman for the mining community!

The only conceivable reason you would hang around posting negative tosh on here every day - is the same reason the other newbie account trolls do likewise - you desperately want to buy bitcoins at a lower price than today. Come to think of it: fonzie, cosmofly, igorr et al seem to have gone awfully quiet.

You have as much idea of which way the price moves as everyone else simply watching the price on here - that is none.

Anyway, good luck in your accumulation!



Kids watch the price and praise talk, big boys watch the volume and fundamentals.

Yes well the fundamentals are something that seem to have been forgotten in this forum for several months.
member
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With the dropping volume, the only chance to avoid another drop would be if some bitcoin salesman get some simpleminded rich person to buy a lot of coins from the market.

The only thing that keeps the price from dropping is the overheated mining bubble. Most don't want to sell this low, and admit that they don't see any ROI with their mining equipment.
But this is not a solid hold, but a desperate and fragile hold. When the first miners will start to think "fck it, I'll cut my losses and move on", then their sells will trigger an avalanche. Most of the miners who are holding are nervous and they will be motivated to cut their losses if it seems like it's best to sell higher now, then lower later.
I think that everyone who are holding bitcoin's at the moment for investment purposes are fools who are taking a needless risk. You could always buy back when there will be any news that give a real reason why bitcoin price should rise. Right now they are betting against the odds, because if nothing important happens, then the volume will continue dropping with the price.

Finally, a sane person here.

"Anyone holding bitcoins at the moment for investment purposes are fools"

Sounds like you don't hold any then, Mervyn.

"Most of the miners who are holding are nervous"

Not sure who elected you a spokesman for the mining community!

The only conceivable reason you would hang around posting negative tosh on here every day - is the same reason the other newbie account trolls do likewise - you desperately want to buy bitcoins at a lower price than today. Come to think of it: fonzie, cosmofly, igorr et al seem to have gone awfully quiet.

You have as much idea of which way the price moves as everyone else simply watching the price on here - that is none.

Anyway, good luck in your accumulation!



Kids watch the price and praise talk, big boys watch the volume and fundamentals.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
With the dropping volume, the only chance to avoid another drop would be if some bitcoin salesman get some simpleminded rich person to buy a lot of coins from the market.

The only thing that keeps the price from dropping is the overheated mining bubble. Most don't want to sell this low, and admit that they don't see any ROI with their mining equipment.
But this is not a solid hold, but a desperate and fragile hold. When the first miners will start to think "fck it, I'll cut my losses and move on", then their sells will trigger an avalanche. Most of the miners who are holding are nervous and they will be motivated to cut their losses if it seems like it's best to sell higher now, then lower later.
I think that everyone who are holding bitcoin's at the moment for investment purposes are fools who are taking a needless risk. You could always buy back when there will be any news that give a real reason why bitcoin price should rise. Right now they are betting against the odds, because if nothing important happens, then the volume will continue dropping with the price.

Finally, a sane person here.

"Anyone holding bitcoins at the moment for investment purposes are fools"

Sounds like you don't hold any then, Mervyn.

"Most of the miners who are holding are nervous"

Not sure who elected you a spokesman for the mining community!

The only conceivable reason you would hang around posting negative tosh on here every day - is the same reason the other newbie account trolls do likewise - you desperately want to buy bitcoins at a lower price than today. Come to think of it: fonzie, cosmofly, igorr et al seem to have gone awfully quiet.

You have as much idea of which way the price moves as everyone else simply watching the price on here - that is none.

Anyway, good luck in your accumulation!

member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
With the dropping volume, the only chance to avoid another drop would be if some bitcoin salesman get some simpleminded rich person to buy a lot of coins from the market.

The only thing that keeps the price from dropping is the overheated mining bubble. Most don't want to sell this low, and admit that they don't see any ROI with their mining equipment.
But this is not a solid hold, but a desperate and fragile hold. When the first miners will start to think "fck it, I'll cut my losses and move on", then their sells will trigger an avalanche. Most of the miners who are holding are nervous and they will be motivated to cut their losses if it seems like it's best to sell higher now, then lower later.
I think that everyone who are holding bitcoin's at the moment for investment purposes are fools who are taking a needless risk. You could always buy back when there will be any news that give a real reason why bitcoin price should rise. Right now they are betting against the odds, because if nothing important happens, then the volume will continue dropping with the price.

Finally, a sane person here.
member
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Yesterday BTC daily volume at Bitstamp was one of the lowest in months, only 21 days in 2013 had less volume.

People are clearly racing to get their hands on BTC. Average Joes cant wait to spend their lifesavings on 1 BTC. Clearly.
legendary
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With the dropping volume, the only chance to avoid another drop would be if some bitcoin salesman get some simpleminded rich person to buy a lot of coins from the market.

The only thing that keeps the price from dropping is the overheated mining bubble. Most don't want to sell this low, and admit that they don't see any ROI with their mining equipment.
But this is not a solid hold, but a desperate and fragile hold. When the first miners will start to think "fck it, I'll cut my losses and move on", then their sells will trigger an avalanche. Most of the miners who are holding are nervous and they will be motivated to cut their losses if it seems like it's best to sell higher now, then lower later.
I think that everyone who are holding bitcoin's at the moment for investment purposes are fools who are taking a needless risk. You could always buy back when there will be any news that give a real reason why bitcoin price should rise. Right now they are betting against the odds, because if nothing important happens, then the volume will continue dropping with the price.
legendary
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Yesterday BTC daily volume at Bitstamp was one of the lowest in months, only 21 days in 2013 had less volume.
legendary
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As it is, there are more cars than there are people on the planet with an estimated 10 billion roadworthy cars in the world today.

You see, this is exactly what's wrong with inflationary economies. It's never enough.

We have more phones than people, we have more cars than people, we have more TVs than people. And even though there's enough for everyone, they rather let them rot and actively buy up land to park them and let them rust and even recycle them (without them ever being used) than to sell them at reduced prices or (the horror) give them away to people who can't afford them. Or maybe, you know, use the land for something like growing food or something.

And that all while exhausting the planet for the materials to build more and more, even though there is already not only enough for everyone, but too much. The only reason they keep on producing is because if they stop producing, the economy would collapse even further. How can you expect an economy to last if your economy requires you to produce 12 billion cars while there's only 7 billion people, and half of them can't even afford food?

At the same time they stop to build houses even though more and more young adults keep living at home because they can't afford their own houses because of the inflated house prices, just to keep the house prices inflated.

The world has gone mad.

Yep, this is just another case of the fact that we can't have perpetual growth on a planet with finite resources.

The infinite increasing growth and consumption model is the one that has been sold to us because the fiat-money-debt-ponzi on which the global economy has been built on necessitates it.

I'm glad to see sane people here realizing how crazy the system has become. What baffles me however that so many seemingly intelligent and well educated people don't see this or just keep beating around the bush and talk about the symptoms as if those are the real problems and the system itself is fine. It's like everyone is suffering from the exact opposite of hallucinations: they just can't see what's right there in front of them. Maybe the truth is just too horrible to see. But we have to.
legendary
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Very interesting posts about inflationary economy.

Being gold deflationary, don't you think that if bitcoin gets mass adoption that we would be back to the economy of dark ages when gold was like a currency? Actually, I have almost no idea what am I speaking about, but comparing deflationary nature of bitcoin to gold that's what comes to mind.

That's why gold, silver and bitcoin are all sound money.

It has happened several times in history that fiat money (or in ancient times gold that was mixed with increasing amounts of copper) collapsed due to the inflationary nature of it and people went back to a deflationary currency (gold and silver).

This is however the first time in history that the fiat currency of the mayor world power (dollars) or so widespread, while also having a globalized economy where no country can survive economically without the other nations. And it's also the same time bitcoin is in the picture.

So, we can expect the comming collapse of the dollar to have a huge impact on the world economy, and though we can be pretty sure many people will at least try to get their hands on gold and silver (and I advice you to buy some now, rather than later, when it's too late), we can also assume many people will see the benefits of having 'digital gold' namely bitcoin. And I expect the price of bitcoin to skyrocket along with gold and silver in the case of economic collapse.
sr. member
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Could the next rally be fuelled by people buying BTC instantly using their credit & debit cards, and not even knowing what a bitcoin really is, using services like Circle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgzu-QwzW3M?

Fasten your seatbelts...
sr. member
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Very interesting posts about inflationary economy.

Being gold deflationary, don't you think that if bitcoin gets mass adoption that we would be back to the economy of dark ages when gold was like a currency? Actually, I have almost no idea what am I speaking about, but comparing deflationary nature of bitcoin to gold that's what comes to mind.
legendary
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If the link was supposed to define the term I missed it.

sr. member
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 So we basically need re-branding of the motives of consciousness?   Shocked

Yes, that is a very good way of putting it. Ideally what we need is for each person to learn how to "program their own consciousness", or at least more programs to choose from.

The days of your mental operating system (culture, basically) being determined by where you happen to be born and what power elites happen to be in place during that time are over. At least they can be. Now we have the choice of individual personal responsibility in matters of culture and belief systems as provided by accessible distributed information networks and progressively more accessible means of travel. We should use this privilege. And with Bitcoin we finally can put the money where our mouth is and be free not only to believe what we wish, but also to implement it.

The motives of our consciousness is our subconscious.  Our conscious is but the tip of the iceberg.  



I am aware...

used the term consciousness purposely- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness#Scientific_study

consciousness includes subconscious
legendary
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 So we basically need re-branding of the motives of consciousness?   Shocked

Yes, that is a very good way of putting it. Ideally what we need is for each person to learn how to "program their own consciousness", or at least more programs to choose from.

The days of your mental operating system (culture, basically) being determined by where you happen to be born and what power elites happen to be in place during that time are over. At least they can be. Now we have the choice of individual personal responsibility in matters of culture and belief systems as provided by accessible distributed information networks and progressively more accessible means of travel. We should use this privilege. And with Bitcoin we finally can put the money where our mouth is and be free not only to believe what we wish, but also to implement it.

The motives of our consciousness is our subconscious.  Our conscious is but the tip of the iceberg.  

member
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As it is, there are more cars than there are people on the planet with an estimated 10 billion roadworthy cars in the world today.

You see, this is exactly what's wrong with inflationary economies. It's never enough.

We have more phones than people, we have more cars than people, we have more TVs than people. And even though there's enough for everyone, they rather let them rot and actively buy up land to park them and let them rust and even recycle them (without them ever being used) than to sell them at reduced prices or (the horror) give them away to people who can't afford them. Or maybe, you know, use the land for something like growing food or something.

And that all while exhausting the planet for the materials to build more and more, even though there is already not only enough for everyone, but too much. The only reason they keep on producing is because if they stop producing, the economy would collapse even further. How can you expect an economy to last if your economy requires you to produce 12 billion cars while there's only 7 billion people, and half of them can't even afford food?

At the same time they stop to build houses even though more and more young adults keep living at home because they can't afford their own houses because of the inflated house prices, just to keep the house prices inflated.

The world has gone mad.

Yep, this is just another case of the fact that we can't have perpetual growth on a planet with finite resources.

The infinite increasing growth and consumption model is the one that has been sold to us because the fiat-money-debt-ponzi on which the global economy has been built on necessitates it.
sr. member
Activity: 434
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 So we basically need re-branding of the motives of consciousness?   Shocked

Yes, that is a very good way of putting it. Ideally what we need is for each person to learn how to "program their own consciousness", or at least more programs to choose from.

The days of your mental operating system (culture, basically) being determined by where you happen to be born and what power elites happen to be in place during that time are over. At least they can be. Now we have the choice of individual personal responsibility in matters of culture and belief systems as provided by accessible distributed information networks and progressively more accessible means of travel. We should use this privilege. And with Bitcoin we finally can put the money where our mouth is and be free not only to believe what we wish, but also to implement it.

Point was that's likely unrealistic.

More likely, I believe, bitcoin at mass adoption as utilized by the commoner will have transformed into a gradual step (Circle) in the evolution of financial frameworks, not a complete overhaul.

Meanwhile, the minority use (Darkwallet etc) will be a slower expanding niche as the global perspective slowly advances.

legendary
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As it is, there are more cars than there are people on the planet with an estimated 10 billion roadworthy cars in the world today.

You see, this is exactly what's wrong with inflationary economies. It's never enough.

We have more phones than people, we have more cars than people, we have more TVs than people. And even though there's enough for everyone, they rather let them rot and actively buy up land to park them and let them rust and even recycle them (without them ever being used) than to sell them at reduced prices or (the horror) give them away to people who can't afford them. Or maybe, you know, use the land for something like growing food or something.

And that all while exhausting the planet for the materials to build more and more, even though there is already not only enough for everyone, but too much. The only reason they keep on producing is because if they stop producing, the economy would collapse even further. How can you expect an economy to last if your economy requires you to produce 12 billion cars while there's only 7 billion people, and half of them can't even afford food?

At the same time they stop to build houses even though more and more young adults keep living at home because they can't afford their own houses because of the inflated house prices, just to keep the house prices inflated.

The world has gone mad.
sr. member
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Yep, let the slaves produce shit they can never buy (without credit atleast), wasting time and natural resources.
legendary
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The elite can't have everything... they try to expand the monetary base to recycle perpetual debt but they also have to keep general inflation low by using deflation and negative credit expansion for the average joe - otherwise stuff like gold and bitcoins would go through the roof. However when the average joe is "deflated" he can't buy much.
sr. member
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