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This feels like a good selling spot ~459 for a quickish trade.  I will buy back at ~421 or so within 72hrs.

This is unbelievable recklessness. There is a chance that we have just now passed the bottom and that 421 will never be visited again. Even if it is, the gain is not too big, too many uncertainties, and the volume is not there - I couldn't even make such a trade due to low volume.

Quick TA update:
- 6H candle color/volume: not much volume lately hard to say anything, conclusion: can go either way
- Bid/ask strengh at market: slippage to sell 5k: $35, slippage to buy: $60, conclusion: potential for quick upside move
- Trendline comparison: we are now at -0.322 log units. The trendline is at $966 and rising $7 per day, conclusion: rock bottom (of all of the time between the 4/2013 and 11/2013 peaks, only 2% (5 days) was spent this low)
- Sentiment: I was out for 4 days, so cannot evaluate the sentiment now
- Prognosis: 400 is the critical level, if it holds, upside is sure - if it falls, there may be a flash crash to lower levels. Holding above it has in my opinion strengthened my bullish view, although the critics say it is just a preparation for an assault to 400. I don't believe the masses who sell at 400 even exist, and the trendline strongly indicated that this is a bottom.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
This feels like a good selling spot ~459 for a quickish trade.  I will buy back at ~421 or so within 72hrs.
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It's the breakout

The shape of the low on April 3 would qualify as a U shaped bottom as I had called for. However, I was expecting a U with a much longer duration say weeks.

So I am not convinced this isn't another bull trap.

Any way, as you know it doesn't matter for me, because I showed with the log-logistic curve fit that Bitcoin will be drastically underperforming certain altcoins. The only reason for me to invest in Bitcoin is for diversification, but I diversify right into the coin which is tracked by my friendly Obama and I have no idea how bad what he has on tap against people of net worth. I heard from Armstrong that high-level sources say 70% taxes. That wouldn't be as bad as the totalitarianism that follows after imploding the economy with 70% taxes. I just offer this thought, "you didn't build that".

Still waiting to hear from Risto in a private message. His opportunity is slipping away.

Pre-Reagan levels of taxation is the president's goal from what I hear.

When Reagan went into office the misery index, defined as the inflation rate added to the unemployment rate, fell from 19.33 when he entered the white house, to 9.72 when he left.

Not a fan of Reaganomics btw any means but those figures are quite instructive. Extrapolate using today's variables.
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Im still suprised. Seem to have chosen a quite good line. This one is on the 1m chart.



you call that a line, bro? It's all jiggly and shit.
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I was promised da moon
I heard from Armstrong that high-level sources say 70% taxes. That wouldn't be as bad as the totalitarianism that follows after imploding the economy with 70% taxes. I just offer this thought, "you didn't build that".

By taxing bitoin capital gains by 70%, wouldn't the administration cause quite a turmoil that reaches way beyond bitcoinland? It's hard to believe such drastic taxation will come into effect. I live in Germany and here bitcoin taxation is quite okay IMO.

The little video you embedded, I'm sure Obama did not want to say that regardless of what you build, you haven't contributed anyway. He just says if you lived in a desert without any infrastructure or access to knowledge, you wouldn't be able to build anything but sandcastles (and even for that you need water Wink ) A decent welfare net is not the end of humanity. You can't always reward the sociopaths on top of the food chain (who appear there very frequent according to the statistics) The problem is how to make a decent welfare system that is efficient. Speaking as the tax guy I am, I don't think it is probable that bitcoin gains will be taxed by 70% in any country. But if you have insider sources, act accordingly, because that would mean a US bitcoin ban without officially banning it.
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It's the breakout

The shape of the low on April 3 would qualify as a U shaped bottom as I had called for. However, I was expecting a U with a much longer duration say weeks.

So I am not convinced this isn't another bull trap.

Any way, as you know it doesn't matter for me, because I showed with the log-logistic curve fit that Bitcoin will be drastically underperforming certain altcoins. The only reason for me to invest in Bitcoin is for diversification, but I diversify right into the coin which is tracked by my friendly Obama and I have no idea how bad what he has on tap against people of net worth. I heard from Armstrong that high-level sources say 70% taxes. That wouldn't be as bad as the totalitarianism that follows after imploding the economy with 70% taxes. I just offer this thought, "you didn't build that".

Still waiting to hear from Risto in a private message. His opportunity is slipping away.
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Are you seriously just throwing arbitrary lines on arbitrary graphs?

Nope, i try to catch trends with them. A line is defined by 2 points and these points need to be placed at the tops or bottoms of the candles. Each and every additional top or bottom lying on the line is a confirmation of the trend. This is especially the case, if these additional points fit long after the line has been drawn.

bouncing on horizontal lines is "easier" because that usually relates to resistence-levels.

My line is not an horizontal one, the more i'm suprised i find so many matches, especially on the 1m graph.

So, foody, you're saying it's arbitrary, right?! Why?

P.S.: yes, volume is incredible low, so don't need to be surprised if things change rapidly ...
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Im still suprised. Seem to have chosen a quite good line. This one is on the 1m chart.

https://i.imgur.com/rNiC4Td.png

Are you seriously just throwing arbitrary lines on arbitrary graphs?
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Im still suprised. Seem to have chosen a quite good line. This one is on the 1m chart.

https://i.imgur.com/rNiC4Td.png
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Seems we offloaded a lot of offtopic-stuff somewhere else. Time for some long-term-lurkers to leave the darkness and write their stupid first post.

A couple of days ago i started drawing lines and kept them in Bitcoinwisdom and i was surprised when the bounces respect my lines.
I don't care how that pattern is named (should i?!) but that it was respected was cool  Grin

So here are lines:
https://i.imgur.com/ovDZYt3.png

I don't know where the sentiment change exactly is coming from but one can feel it. We're getting more optimistic again and people think the bottom has been reached.

I think the coming hours and days are critical because, even though with low volume, it already broke my upper line:

https://i.imgur.com/6OjVosZ.png
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But we are at least in agreement about something (HURRAH!) with regard to shorting: I don't participate in that market either, not so much for the reasons you stated but that it seems morally wrong to profit from the failure of a market (I remember the Soros-short inspired sterling crash of the eighties).

All this moral crap really annoys me. Shorting helps to prevent selloffs from being so severe, because shorts cover on the way down and provide buying demand.

Moralists always cause the opposite of what they portend to.

Successful trades buy low and sell high. They dampen market fluctuation, increase stability, and are in my view the most moral of all.

You do realize don't you that is no refutation of what I wrote.

The operative phrase is "buy low". That means don't catch a falling knife.
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But we are at least in agreement about something (HURRAH!) with regard to shorting: I don't participate in that market either, not so much for the reasons you stated but that it seems morally wrong to profit from the failure of a market (I remember the Soros-short inspired sterling crash of the eighties).

All this moral crap really annoys me. Shorting helps to prevent selloffs from being so severe, because shorts cover on the way down and provide buying demand.

Moralists always cause the opposite of what they portend to.

Successful trades buy low and sell high. They dampen market fluctuation, increase stability, and are in my view the most moral of all.
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Ofcourse its eazier said than dunn since executing on the 50 50 chance that you were weong requires you to take a hit and requires you to know yourself... takes people a long journey to realize this some people never get out ofthe hole only a small percentage see the light. We all know how to spot am entry but patiemce execution and follow through are not something you can teach or copy.. it requires the trade to resonate with your beliefs morals and intuition without thinking about profit or loss(revenge)
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I can't do TA as such, I can draw a line on a chart and point out classic 'signs' but I'm not convinced that helps me or anyone. It's interesting to read though.

Its just risk management. It can only work alongside a sound strategy. just like in a game of chess.


Yes I see the reasoning behind it, It seems any attempt to time the market (for me) returns no better than a coin flip though.

I suppose in some way I do 'trade' (skim the run ups). I'm more of a macro risk manager though Smiley buy and HODL Wink


I guess the idea is to be patient enough for the technicals and fundamentals to align. the fundamentals secure your odds, and the technicals optimise the risk/reward and offer decisive entries.
Ive learned that if you cant name the specific force that will drive your position for any given set up, the trade is no good. It adds dimension of time stops and precise expectations for your trade. It is much easier to realise when one is wrong when one knows what one expects.

legendary
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Let's move this discussion to a new thread. Goodbye and best wishes to this TA thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6076321

Finally! All i was seeing when entering this thread was AnonyMint posting while the thread is named rpietila thread.
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Let's move this discussion to a new thread. Goodbye and best wishes to this TA thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6076321
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"Most people who learn about Bitcoin, don't adopt it".

Why? Because it doesn't fulfill a general need.

New technology almost never fills a general need. It creates a need in a place where no need previously existed, until society begins to reshape itself because the new technology has forced a space for itself.

Using a tired analogy, what need did the internet fill in society? We could shop in stores. We could send letters via fax and mail. We could call people over a telephone. There was no gaping "need" for access to generally useless information 24/7. We can only answer the question in retrospect.

What about social networking? Were Facebook and Twitter created to fulfill a societal need? Can you imagine trying to pitch twitter to the world? "Hey guys, you know how you really NEED and WANT to post 140 character messages online? Well now you can!"

Notwithstanding whether I am correct or not, the key distinction in my mind is that nearly everyone who learns about a washing machine or smart phone, wants one. There are those who said, "I don't need that, I will stick with the hand washing or the feature phone", but this is just denial. Eventually they realize they were wrong as their neighbors are more productive. Whereas, the resistance to Bitcoin is justified, i.e. "why would I want that, I already have Paypal and I don't want the negatives of Bitcoin".

I am thinking about what advantage does Coinbase + Bitpay have over Paypal?  The key is that the consumer pays the fees instead of the merchant. Thus more merchants will prefer it. Why will customers prefer that?

Then I got to thinking. The problem with Paypal is there are too many competitors. The elite want to control this new digital money system. What if you combined Paypal + Bitpay! Then you can see the founder of Paypal is the main angel investor in Bitpay.

This is all about getting more merchants and customers into the digital fiat system.
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"Most people who learn about Bitcoin, don't adopt it".

Why? Because it doesn't fulfill a general need.

New technology almost never fills a general need. It creates a need in a place where no need previously existed, until society begins to reshape itself because the new technology has forced a space for itself.

Using a tired analogy, what need did the internet fill in society? We could shop in stores. We could send letters via fax and mail. We could call people over a telephone. There was no gaping "need" for access to generally useless information 24/7. We can only answer the question in retrospect.

What about social networking? Were Facebook and Twitter created to fulfill a societal need? Can you imagine trying to pitch twitter to the world? "Hey guys, you know how you really NEED and WANT to post 140 character messages online? Well now you can!"
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I come across as overly self-important. It is because I tried to warn about the dangers of Bitcoin (while being fair to also praise its virtues) and in the process I had to shout over a lot of hurt feelings. And this hardened my resolve. Sorry this is not overconfidence, it is uber confidence because it is based in fact checking not in wishful careless arbitrary dreaming. Because when I spend a year digging into the details of something, I make many key insights and discoveries. And you all do not know what I discovered technologically because I haven't revealed it. Why should I give you my secret recipes when in fact you would piss on them any way. The only way forward is to prove you wrong. Sorry this is not a desire to be a jerk. It is a desire to do what is best for mankind, a desire to get wealthy doing it, and a desire to build a bigger ecosystem with more people like you profiting and smiling.

Now on to the analysis...

Well if this is the bottom it is U shaped, not V, which is what I predicted upthread.

The price action seems to be very quiet, so not much to talk about from a TA perspective.

First a math point about relating adoption rate to price. Peter R confirmed upthread with a chart that proxies for adoption, N, are tracking price = N x N. And if adoption is growing by rate R per year, then it grows R x R rate in two years. Thus we can say that the annual rate of price increases is proportional to the biannual rate of adoption. You see when our Y axis is logarithmic (e.g. log 10 on chart Risto shows) then exponentiation becomes additive and thus linearly proportional.

So I've been FA thinking about why Bitcoin adoption is likely declining, i.e. as I showed a log-logistic curve fit.

As I explained in that linked post, the slope of the price increase was 0.33 before July 2011, and has been 0.09 since January 2012 until now. So it had already declined. The question is was the early period an aberration or part of the trend?

SlipperySlope had been fitting a logistic curve to Bitcoin's price, because technology which spreads out to the masses typically has that S shape of exponential adoption. The key factor is that logistic adoption rate (slope) increases until the midway point, i.e. at 50% of the adoption before decreasing. Whereas, log-logistic adoption rate (slope) is maximum at the start and is always declining. This is a very important distinction because logistic means we can expect Bitcoin's price rate of increase to accelerate, whereas log-logistic we can expect the rate of price appreciation to slow further (as it already did slowing from 0.33 to 0.09 after July 2011).

I gave the explanation that money is power-law distributed and thus we should expect the greatest serious network effects on adoption at the beginning because the power investors come in the earliest. The log-logistic (cumulative distribution function) curve corresponds to the power-law distribution.

I had an epiphany in my dream last night that there is a simpler explanation which also corresponds to the power-law distribution of money as follows.

"Most people who learn about Bitcoin, don't adopt it".

Why? Because it doesn't fulfill a general need. The need it fulfills is very specific to a white male, hate central banking demographic. It doesn't have fast transactions, doesn't have consumer protection, the money is difficult to secure, it is technically challenging to use, etc..

A consumer adopted item such as a washing machine has logistic adoption curve because every person who hears about wants it. Thus maximum word-of-mouth is reached at 50% of adoption. Whereas, for Bitcoin maximum rate of effectiveness of word-of-mouth was when only the correct demographic was listening back before July 2011. Now as Bitcoin tries to speak to the masses, they mostly don't care.

Thus if you want to build a Bitcoin killer altcoin, you simply make sure it is something every person will want to do.

I have experience doing such things, as I created an application that had 1 million users and 1% of the internet back in late 1990s. Before that I was involved with what became Corel Painter and I helped bring it to 1 million global units and also the first $million milestone in Japan. The key thing is I sought out that company, not them finding me. I have always been attracted to paradigm shift technology and thinking about how to make it easier for people and thus increase adoption rates.

My reputation doesn't matter. I won't be using it any way. What matters here is determining what is really going on. Because an investor without the correct interpretation of reality is destined to lose money.

If there was a black budget team who designed Bitcoin, it appears they may have failed in their analysis. It appears they have no way to get the masses interested. But let's see if that changes as offchain services and fiat masks such as Bitpay and Coinbase proliferate.

Put Coinbase and Bitpay together and you have both the consumer and the merchant, you don't need the block chain any more. Also the mining is already centralized. How much more obvious could it be?

And during this time our core development team and Foundation have been doing what to ameliorate this outcome? Meeting with the CIA and CFR.

And then I wake up to see this at the top of the Google search for "Bitcoin price":

http://gigaom.com/2014/04/04/this-week-in-bitcoin-the-push-to-get-the-currency-in-the-hands-of-the-consumer/

And so again I will challenge Risto according to our original focuses when we first met each other back in 2007. What are you doing about this? I know what I am doing. And you know I warned you about this outcome from Day 1 when you shouted to me that Bitcoin was becoming very important.
legendary
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I can't do TA as such, I can draw a line on a chart and point out classic 'signs' but I'm not convinced that helps me or anyone. It's interesting to read though.

Its just risk management. It can only work alongside a sound strategy. just like in a game of chess.


Yes I see the reasoning behind it, It seems any attempt to time the market (for me) returns no better than a coin flip though.

I suppose in some way I do 'trade' (skim the run ups). I'm more of a macro risk manager though Smiley buy and HODL Wink
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