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legendary
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Do any of you guys who only use "10% of coins for trading and 90% in cold storage" or whatever the ratio is find it frustrating every time you double up the 10% but missed the opportunity to double up the rest of the 90%? If I did such a thing it would feel like a huge loss to me.
First Trader Rule:

Keep greed and fear under control or in balance.

If you feel frustrated about that reason, you still are greedy.


Absolutely.

And viewing your trading from a hypothetical perspective is unproductive and ultimately incapacitating.
sr. member
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Do any of you guys who only use "10% of coins for trading and 90% in cold storage" or whatever the ratio is find it frustrating every time you double up the 10% but missed the opportunity to double up the rest of the 90%? If I did such a thing it would feel like a huge loss to me.
First Trader Rule:

Keep greed and fear under control or in balance.

If you feel frustrated about that reason, you still are greedy.
legendary
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Do any of you guys who only use "10% of coins for trading and 90% in cold storage" or whatever the ratio is find it frustrating every time you double up the 10% but missed the opportunity to double up the rest of the 90%? If I did such a thing it would feel like a huge loss to me.

When you nail a sell and a buy with only 10% of your coins, yeah sure, you wish you had bet more than 10%.  But then when the price rockets from $250 to $1242 after you sell 10%, you're pretty happy you didn't bet any bigger!  

I think it is actually crucial to always be a heavy net long: worst case you lose all your capital (so divest accordingly), best case you increase it by an order of magnitude and beyond.  It is very difficult to predict when these "rockets to the moon" will occur.  
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Indeed, bearishness has been costly in the BTC market.
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Do any of you guys who only use "10% of coins for trading and 90% in cold storage" or whatever the ratio is find it frustrating every time you double up the 10% but missed the opportunity to double up the rest of the 90%? If I did such a thing it would feel like a huge loss to me.

My big mistake was not going all-in immediately.  It was nice that I timed the start of my BTC purchases with the ramp, and at any other time in history, I would have done well, but I missed about 30% of the potential on the way up by scaling in, piecemeal.  My cold store is a hedge against that, and similar errors.  I may use more in the future, after I've had more experience with BTC.

I've generally performed best during longish trends, where I settle into a rhythm of trading in and out.  During a strong directional trend, I do well by levering up gently and booking small gains in short cycles.  I will gain 1-2% in coin daily, with my day job distracting me.  During a mild directional trend I do well by focusing on using the volatility to improve my cost basis, .5%-1% in coin daily is typical on  a workday.  Again, better on weekends.  During a mild trend I will usually outperform a much larger directional commitment, but underperform during a strong trend.

I don't care so much about the scale of gains on short time frames.  I'm really only interested in how they average out when I approach the time when I need them, and I have no expectation of that being any time soon. Net shorting bitcoin seems like a very difficult thing to do successfully, almost always, and going 100% fiat is almost as likely to cost you coins in the long run, given the strong upside bias, so I'm unlikely to do either unless I'm extremely supremely confident.  So far I'm too new to BTC to be that confident.  Thus trading more than the present fraction seems counterproductive, in the long run.

I'm thinking of trading the weekday cycles in a separate account, to diversify strategies -- but diversification robs the upside, so I'm unlikely to do it, and if I do, it will be with part of what was until then my cold store.

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Do any of you guys who only use "10% of coins for trading and 90% in cold storage" or whatever the ratio is find it frustrating every time you double up the 10% but missed the opportunity to double up the rest of the 90%? If I did such a thing it would feel like a huge loss to me.
legendary
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I must be a reformed man.  I've actually been getting positive feedback lately. 

Back to TA:  I've been burned more often by pessimism than by optimism, in BTC (since September), so I'm sensitive to chart signals that a notional bearish scenario is inaccurate.  Presently I'm cuing on the Fisher transform and the pending MACD crossover on the 4-hour chart.  Fisher is showing a fairly deep long bottom, and any deeper cut would be a statistical outlier. 

I need a platform where I can code-up a DeMark Sequential countdown or a TrendStall indicator.  There's no BTC price feed on the Bloomberg, and those proprietary studies have served me best in other markets, especially FX and commodities.  Maybe CQG?  TradeStation?  Any analytic platform experiences, recommendations out there?

legendary
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In a post you made in this thread earlier today, you said you expected a pretty straight breakout to $500 on Stamp.

It seems like this would be the time for it?

I did expect a strong movement.  It hasn't materialized.  (But when I said "next leg down"  I meant the next movement, not necessarily the large-scale C wave.)  That mean's I'm starting to gradually lose faith in the predictive capacity of that specific wave analysis.  It won't be categorically refuted soon unless we exceed 880, at which point there is no way to defend it, or we stay below 880 stamp but we fail to take a *major* leg down before the end of the month -- mid-February at the latest.  Levels are usually quite a bit easier to predict than timing.

I'll expand on that.  In these fora there is always the threat that someone might blindly follow your comments, often misinterpreted, and hurt themselves. Let not my lack of disclosure mislead anyone:

My best luck trading on my own technical analysis has been in picking a direction, and sticking with it until it plays out to some sort of maturity.  Essentially all of that experience was in equity, commodity, fx and rates.  I am relatively new to BTC, and my history with technical analysis has been a *losing* one so far, applied to BTC:  I would have done better to buy and hold 100% from day one. I would have more coins.  If you trade with me, you trade with a proven BTC loser.  I am here to learn from rpietila and other successful BTC traders.

That said, I've done quite well in predicting price trajectories in other markets where I have had more experience, and I am generally well-versed in most forms of technical fundamental and quantitative analytics, so I think I may have useful input.  When I do comment, I will try to enunciate my uncertainties and cast estimates in terms of distributional topologies, although accurately expressing such in these small margins is quixotic at best.  In your mixture model I should be a weakly weighted oracle.  Better yet, my comments should only serve as an occasion for you to entertain their concepts in your own independent analysis.

My current position is 60% cold store.  I have a 30% short swap position capitalized in 30% BTC and 10% fiat which I am gently masticating into a higher basis during this sideway action, but if it does not start to gain substantial value soon, I will bias my mastications towards exit of the position.  Exactly when will depend on current evidence, as always.

I often don't do what I would advise others to do.  It's generally best to position yourself for a continuation of the current trend, as soon as you can recognize it as a new trend, and get out (in my risk ideology, out means out of fiat) as soon as your pre-established exit criteria have been met.  Trying to anticipate a turn is likely to cost you.  Unless you are willing and able to endure those costs repeatedly until success, it's a foolish waste of time and energy.

My great sadness with BTC is the lack of asymmetric hedging instruments.  It forces me into levels of risk I have not previously endured.  To achieve my goals will require substantial risk, so I will often do things I would not advise others to do.  Few people if any are under such compulsion as I. Almost everyone has the moral option not to trade at all, for that matter, and for most people it is the best option.


Wow. Your honesty is refreshing. We should all have more of it.
legendary
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In a post you made in this thread earlier today, you said you expected a pretty straight breakout to $500 on Stamp.

It seems like this would be the time for it?

I did expect a strong movement.  It hasn't materialized.  (But when I said "next leg down"  I meant the next movement, not necessarily the large-scale C wave.)  That mean's I'm starting to gradually lose faith in the predictive capacity of that specific wave analysis.  It won't be categorically refuted soon unless we exceed 880, at which point there is no way to defend it, or we stay below 880 stamp but we fail to take a *major* leg down before the end of the month -- mid-February at the latest.  Levels are usually quite a bit easier to predict than timing.

I'll expand on that.  In these fora there is always the threat that someone might blindly follow your comments, often misinterpreted, and hurt themselves. Let not my lack of disclosure mislead anyone:

My best luck trading on my own technical analysis has been in picking a direction, and sticking with it until it plays out to some sort of maturity.  Essentially all of that experience was in equity, commodity, fx and rates.  I am relatively new to BTC, and my history with technical analysis has been a *losing* one so far, applied to BTC:  I would have done better to buy and hold 100% from day one. I would have more coins.  If you trade with me, you trade with a proven BTC loser.  I am here to learn from rpietila and other successful BTC traders.

That said, I've done quite well in predicting price trajectories in other markets where I have had more experience, and I am generally well-versed in most forms of technical fundamental and quantitative analytics, so I think I may have useful input.  When I do comment, I will try to enunciate my uncertainties and cast estimates in terms of distributional topologies, although accurately expressing such in these small margins is quixotic at best.  In your mixture model I should be a weakly weighted oracle.  Better yet, my comments should only serve as an occasion for you to entertain their concepts in your own independent analysis.

My current position is 60% cold store.  I have a 30% short swap position capitalized in 30% BTC and 10% fiat which I am gently masticating into a higher basis during this sideway action, but if it does not start to gain substantial value soon, I will bias my mastications towards exit of the position.  Exactly when will depend on current evidence, as always.

I often don't do what I would advise others to do.  It's generally best to position yourself for a continuation of the current trend, as soon as you can recognize it as a new trend, and get out (in my risk ideology, out means out of fiat) as soon as your pre-established exit criteria have been met.  Trying to anticipate a turn is likely to cost you.  Unless you are willing and able to endure those costs repeatedly until success, it's a foolish waste of time and energy.

My great sadness with BTC is the lack of asymmetric hedging instruments.  It forces me into levels of risk I have not previously endured.  To achieve my goals will require substantial risk, so I will often do things I would not advise others to do.  Few people if any are under such compulsion as I. Almost everyone has the moral option not to trade at all, for that matter, and for most people it is the best option.





hero member
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Hope this Pdf is interesting for you regarding Western Union position and an interesting analysis of Bitcoin and other electronic currencies.

2013 Consumer Protection &
Compliance Conference
Emerging Risk of Digital Currency

https://events.westernunion.com/WUComplianceConference/presentations/2013/EmergingRiskofDigitalCurrency.pdf


Seems they are doing their homework



After a thorough study. Their conclusion regarding bitcoin is: (page 28)

Is Bitcoin ready for international money transfer?

Western Union and other large money transmitters are
aware of digital currencies
keeping an eye on further developments
Worldwide use of bitcoin is growing
but there is not sufficient use and liquidity yet for massive adoption
Also, consumer interfaces to bitcoin are not sufficiently mature yet
ease of use, clarity of transactions, taxation issues, etc.
And…many regulatory issues yet to be adequately addressed

NO


David, interesting person to contact in western union if you or anyone else want to talk about bitcoin possibilities:

Scott Apodaca, CAMS
Senior Manager - Global Monitoring and Intelligence
Consumer Protection, Compliance and Ethics Office
Office: (720) 332-4544
Email: [email protected]
 [email protected]


Please excuse me if this has already been posted, was a great and interesting excuse to join this great thread.

Cheers,
Thanks for posting this.  I had seen an interview or something some months back that had given me the impression WU were on the ball with it.  Just because they're not embracing Bitcoin with open arms ahead of the curve doesn't make them dinosaurs!  If you look at their history from the time of the telegram it indicates they have ridden out many changes in technology over the centuries.  They may judge this one wrong and dive in at the wrong time or in the wrong manner losing their advantage but I wouldn't bet on it.  They have a pretty good track record on that one!

Edit: accidentally quoted myself therefore double posting rather than editing.
sr. member
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My day trading bot says we should be holding fiat. im bullish however
sr. member
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Hope this Pdf is interesting for you regarding Western Union position and an interesting analysis of Bitcoin and other electronic currencies.

2013 Consumer Protection &
Compliance Conference
Emerging Risk of Digital Currency

https://events.westernunion.com/WUComplianceConference/presentations/2013/EmergingRiskofDigitalCurrency.pdf


Seems they are doing their homework



After a thorough study. Their conclusion regarding bitcoin is: (page 28)

Is Bitcoin ready for international money transfer?

Western Union and other large money transmitters are
aware of digital currencies
keeping an eye on further developments
Worldwide use of bitcoin is growing
but there is not sufficient use and liquidity yet for massive adoption
Also, consumer interfaces to bitcoin are not sufficiently mature yet
ease of use, clarity of transactions, taxation issues, etc.
And…many regulatory issues yet to be adequately addressed

NO


David, interesting person to contact in western union if you or anyone else want to talk about bitcoin possibilities:

Scott Apodaca, CAMS
Senior Manager - Global Monitoring and Intelligence
Consumer Protection, Compliance and Ethics Office
Office: (720) 332-4544
Email: [email protected]
 [email protected]


Please excuse me if this has already been posted, was a great and interesting excuse to join this great thread.

Cheers,
hero member
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?
Without discussing targets, we certainly don't need news to make a big down move at this point.

Frankly, I am more or less ignoring news and China. This has worked well for me recently.

I think most of the time news follows sentiment, not creates it. However, during this rally only at 1240 and again 2 days ago did the market drop without "some" news. Both times it was severely over bought.

It is not over bought right now. Which makes me think there would have to be a trigger to send it down fast. Am I wrong about this?
We don't need to be overbought. If we were overbought while making lower highs (eg from 765), I'd probably take it as a bullish sign. And I think while extremely negative news could trigger a sell off, so could exhaustion of buying pressure. Really, the trigger itself is someone trying to force a sell off into weak buying pressure. Whether this actually could initiate a sell off is the question. Looking at the strength of CMF and volatility indicators on this last bounce, I'd be hesitant to say we are ready for a strong down move yet. I think we bounce around a bit first. More consolidation. But my position remains -- down before re-testing highs.
legendary
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?

I don't have a very strong opinion about the duration or strength of the next leg down.  It could be very minor.  A lack of coins on Mt. Gox would be the main obstacle to downward movement right now.

When you can't get fiat back, you had might as well go all coin, eh?  Forced hodling.  It probably saves most of their clients from a lot of losses.



In a post you made in this thread earlier today, you said you expected a pretty straight breakout to $500 on Stamp.

It seems like this would be the time for it?
legendary
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?

I don't have a very strong opinion about the duration or strength of the next leg down.  It could be very minor.  A lack of coins on Mt. Gox would be the main obstacle to downward movement right now.

When you can't get fiat back, you had might as well go all coin, eh?  Forced hodling.  It probably saves most of their clients from a lot of losses.

legendary
Activity: 2156
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?
Without discussing targets, we certainly don't need news to make a big down move at this point.

Frankly, I am more or less ignoring news and China. This has worked well for me recently.

I think most of the time news follows sentiment, not creates it. However, during this rally only at 1240 and again 2 days ago did the market drop without "some" news. Both times it was severely over bought.

It is not over bought right now. Which makes me think there would have to be a trigger to send it down fast. Am I wrong about this?
hero member
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?
Without discussing targets, we certainly don't need news to make a big down move at this point.

Frankly, I am more or less ignoring news and China. This has worked well for me recently.
legendary
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.

You think it's going to break down to 500 on Stamp without news?
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bitarchitect
Sorry for my newbie question about TA, but I'm not very familiar with Elliot Wave analysis... and after reading all the threory, and seeing again and again here that we are at the end of ABC, I'm not able to come to the same conclusion as you watching the charts (this is being on C of ABC, isn't it?). Could anyone give me a hint on it, like which interval chart should I look to, or some graphic example from tradingview related to this exact moment of the wave?  Roll Eyes

legendary
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The current pennant has failure-to-breakout written all over it.  Leg down coming up.
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