Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 31. (Read 14504 times)

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1. It's great that the Iranian general indirectly confirmed the supply of these drones by Iran to the terrorist group of the Russian Federation Which was what was required to be proved. I am sure when an international investigation is carried out, the accomplices of the terrorists will be punished!

2. Regarding the effectiveness of drones and the inefficiency of "Western systems". From what I personally observed: these "mopeds" in Ukraine are shot down from machine guns, by means of portable air defense systems. these UAVs, due to the primitive two-stroke engine, are "warm" and leave a good mark for targeting Stinger-type systems from the distant 70s
Also used systems such as "Cheetah" and the like.
Yes, some even fly, but this is no more than 5% of the number of launched ones. But knowing the launch sites, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to destroy both cowardly Russian terrorists and a group of vile accomplices of terrorists, Iranian military consultants. In the temporarily occupied Crimea - read the press Now launches are made from the Krasnodar Territory, but we will put things in order there too

3. Large air defense systems are used only against missiles that Russian terrorists throw into peaceful quarters of peaceful cities, trying to kill as many civilians as possible.

Punishment will overtake all the participants who unleashed and supported this vile terrorist war!

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A civilized and adequate world has one drawback - this world tries to act deliberately, relying on laws, adhering to universal human values, agreements and obligations. And only immoral countries and regimes without honor and conscience can kill and destroy peaceful cities without hesitation, and in an absolutely vile, sadistic way. After what I saw in Bucha and Irpen - I'm sure, in terms of the level of bastardity - the Russian regime surpassed Nazi Germany many times over! But we are still waiting for investigations in other cities, where a real hell was created by Russian terrorists... And severe punishment!

If you could completely refuse responsibility for your words and actions, and you would be paid big money for this, then you would probably be talking nonsense too.  Why not?  

Especially if there are really dangerous people around you.  In this case, it is easier and safer to pretend not to be a very smart person.  

This character recently called on all Russians to fight Lucifer and Iblis.

I do not believe in these forecasts for 2023.  The exception is the widespread adoption of digital currencies (CBDC).  Yes, there is such a trend.  

As for the rest of the forecasts, theoretically there is some probability that some of them will come true.  However, this probability is very small and in any case it will not happen in 2023.  The existing system of relations between different states seems to be very strong.  However, in 2013, I would never have believed in the possibility of hostilities on the territory of Ukraine.

We do not know exactly how strong and stable our civilization is.

War is an industry. All countries can take advantage of war and they wouldn't mind losing face as long as they could make money out of it and defeat thier long-time enemy.

With the Ukraine-Russia war, Europe had not looked at the best decision to come up with this one. Driven by their hate for Putin I guess. They hurt themselves when it comes to supplies from Russia. In 10 months of the war, clearly even when Ukraine could hurt Russia, they are no match. The more they fight the more Ukraine land will they lose.

Until Iran stops supplying the country to the terrorist, Russia, with attack UAVs, with which Russia kills civilians in Ukraine, Iran will be responsible for supporting terrorism, and will be a partner of terrorists! It is stupid to deny reality, and even more so facts
But apart from lies, you have no other choice, since courage, honor, conscience are necessary to recognize your problems ...


And now for all the participants of the topic
To understand who rules in Russia, I publish Dmitry Medvedev's forecast for 2023 here. Dmitry Medvedev is such a character in the Russian political committee, a former, one-time president, a representative of Russia with the face of a drunkard, and constantly sleeping at all official events
So this beacon of the Russian politicians gave these forecasts for 2023

1. Increasing oil prices to $150 per barrel and gas prices to $5,000 per 1,000 cubic meters. m.
2. The return of the UK to the European Union.
3. The collapse of the European Union after the return of the UK and the abolition of the circulation of the euro as the currency of the former EU.
4. Capture by Poland and Hungary of the western regions of the former Ukraine.
5. Creation of the Fourth Reich on the basis of Germany and the satellites that joined it (Poland, the Baltic countries, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, the Kyiv Republic, and other outcasts).
6. War between France and the Fourth Reich. Partition of Europe, including a new partition of Poland.
7. Separation of Northern Ireland from the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and accession to the Republic of Ireland.
8. The American Civil War, the separation of California and Texas into independent states. Creation of the union state of Texas and Mexico. Elon Musk's subsequent victory in the US presidential election in some of the states assigned to the Republicans after the civil war.
9. Transfer of all major stock markets and financial activity from the US and Europe to Asia.
10. The collapse of the Bretton Woods financial system, including the collapse of the IMF and the World Bank. Rejection of the euro and the dollar as world reserve currencies. The return of the gold standard. Transition to the active use of digital fiat currencies.

Read more on RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/26/12/2022/63a9e5d39a79477bf68340cd

The "civilized states" that is US in your opinion is also helping Saudi Arabia at the same time. In that case, Saudi Arabia, in order to seize the territory of Yemen and its resources, attacked Yemen, and Yemen defends itself and defends its independence. Entire cities have been destroyed, hundreds of thousands of civilians have died in the past 8 years of this bloody war. The one who helps the aggressor becomes the aggressor himself...

There is a difference, and a big one. The attitude towards any war and its participants is determined primarily by who is the aggressor and who is the victim of aggression. In this case, Russia, in order to seize the territory of Ukraine and its resources, attacked Ukraine, and Ukraine defends itself and defends its independence. Entire cities are being destroyed, tens of thousands of civilians are dying. Therefore, civilized states are helping Ukraine in this war. And the one who helps the aggressor becomes the aggressor himself.
In addition, Russia does not produce Iranian kamikaze drones. After receiving them from Iran, in Russia they only repaint them and put a new name "Geran-2".

We can speculate and discuss about the origins of Shahed-136 drones and whether Iran is supporting Russia or not. But the main and most important thing will be forgotten. That is exactly why the media is constantly focusing on these meaningless speculations and covers up the main thing. The main thing you should take away from all these articles is how far behind the Western Military Industry is compared to Iran's.
In simple terms hundreds of billions of dollars worth of what they claim to be the most advanced weapons (from Patriot and THAAD and Iron Dome to MIG29 and F16 and all sorts of tanks) are being destroyed very easily with primitive* drones that barely cost 10 grand each.

* Primitive by Iranian drone army standards since there are drones in use that are at least 12 generations ahead of Shahed-136. Otherwise by US and generally Western drone technology standards Shahed-136 is super advanced and they haven't even been capable of reproducing anything that comes close to these. Specially considering their unbelievable level of accuracy they have.

Even if Iran transferred the weapons to Russia, what is the big deal here? Ukraine has received hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the NATO countries. So what is wrong in case some other nations send weapons to Russia? And as far as I know, these drones were produced in Russia. Iran had transferred the technology to mass-produce the Shahed-136 drones. They are produced in Russia (with further modifications) under the brand name Geran-2. The NATO nations are getting agitated because their multi million dollar drones can't compete against the Iranian drones, which are having a unit cost of less than $10,000.

Oh, I really missed this news. But according to the article, it is clear that these UAVs were transferred to Russia by Iran before the war, not during the war. This does not mean that Russia is being helped by Iran, that is incorrect. Assuming that before the war, Russia buys weapons from China or other countries, would we say China is providing war aid to Russia? There is no evidence that Russia received UAVs during the war, there is only evidence that the UAVs used in the war were Iran.

In fact, in any country, where the pro-Russian government or president comes to power, a pro-US/western opposition appears all of a sudden: Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Iran, Venezuela, some African countries. You support Russia - coup attempt is guaranteed. It's pretty obvious who is sponsoring this (remember Maidan cookies???). I just keep wondering how stupid Russians are and how poorly they intelligence works to allow all that to happen in the neighboring countries! Something is brewing right now in Kazakhstan, Armenia etc so I won't be surprised if we'll get another conflict involving Russia soonish...

Strictly speaking, Ukraine was also a buyer of Russian natural gas.  In addition, Ukraine was a business partner of Russia, as it transited natural gas to other European countries (Germany, France, Bulgaria, etc.)

In my opinion, geopolitical ambitions are a stupid and unnecessary thing.  Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev at one time built a very complex and profitable system for Russia to export gas to European countries.  On the basis of such cooperation, it was possible to organize mutually beneficial economic cooperation with European countries. 

In the future, it would even be possible to organize a single economic space from Vladivostok to Lisbon. 

Therefore, I perceive the current events not only as a terrible catastrophe, but also as a terrible stupidity.

There are now very big disagreements between Russia and the countries of Europe after Russia carried out a large-scale military invasion of Ukraine in February. Russia has repeatedly stated that after seizing the territory of Ukraine, they will attack the Baltic countries, Poland, and possibly further deep into Europe. Therefore, they took seriously the military threat that comes from Russia and began to quickly rearm and build up their military potential.

In addition, the refusal of the countries of the European Union from Russian oil and gas is unprecedented, despite the fact that they also suffer material losses from this. But Europe nevertheless decided to break its dependence on Russian energy carriers.

Also, the countries of the European Union have imposed significant economic sanctions against Russia in response to its aggression in Ukraine, although they also hit the countries that imposed them. On November 23, the European Parliament by a majority of votes adopted a resolution recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Russia has certain objective differences with the United States. 

This is due both to the fact that both countries are nuclear powers, and to the fact that the United States began aggressive economic expansion in the natural gas market.  I do not consider these differences to be insurmountable contradictions, but nevertheless I am ready to admit that they exist. 

However, Russia has no disagreements with European countries.  In fact, European countries are Russia's customers (buyers of Russian goods). 

Therefore, I am not at all delighted with the news about the deindustrialization of Europe and the problems that arise for its citizens.

I always chuckle when I see the "freeze to death" arguments. I don't know who created this FUD, whether someone in the West or maybe it was indeed someone in Russia, but the propaganda machine in the West loved it so much that they ran with it to this day.

Nobody has frozen to death yet and when you walk in the streets you don't see frozen statue of people so everything must be fine.

Who cares about high inflation and recession and the nonstop money printing making it all worse;
Who cares that gas and energy price is already so much higher than last year;
Who cares that 30% of the economy declared insolvency in the first 3 months alone and that percentage has been rising ever since;
Who cares that majority of industries in Europe have shut down and migrated abroad (capital fleeing);
Who cares that hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs when these industries shut down;
Who cares that energy giants like Uniper were annihilated in a couple of months and had to be absorbed into the government;
Who cares that the whole countries in the West are facing "cost of living crisis" since cost of everything has gone super high;
Who cares that a couple of months ago the European Fertilizer Industry declared an state of "full fledged crisis" leading to future food crisis;
Who cares that there are strikes and mass protests in every country in the West and their clashes with the police is creating lots of casualties!!!

You know nobody has frozen to death yet so everything must be fine...

At no point since the war began, the prices declined to three digits. The Dutch TTF prices are hovering around $1,050-$1,060 per thousand cubic meters and may finally reach three digits for a short duration sometime this week. But even if that happens, the prices are 200% higher than what we had in 2021 and at least 600% higher than the levels in 2020. And a major reason why the prices haven't risen further is because Russia is still sending tankers full of LNG to Europe (mostly from Yamal LNG, but also from Sakhalin and Portovaya).

Gas prices in Europe are rapidly declining amid warm weather. In cities that, according to the Kremlin, were supposed to freeze without Russian gas, the air temperature on the streets fluctuates around 11-16 degrees. While in Russia itself, during frost, about 30% of settlements are still not gasified.

Russian propaganda painted horror stories that by the end of the year the cost of gas in Europe will increase to 3000-4000 thousand cubic meters. Russian propaganda has shot dozens of videos about how poor European families freeze without gas and heat. But as a result, instead of 4 yew. euro prices fell below 900 euros per thousand cubic meters. Russia miscalculated again. And prices may drop further. The main reason is the warm winter. As of December 26: in Paris - 12 degrees, in Berlin - 11 degrees, in Rome - 16 degrees. But in the Krasnoyarsk Territory of Russia, which is still not completely gasified, it is 6 degrees below zero outside.

At the same time, there is more than enough gas in Europe at the moment. Moreover, the EU countries, which traditionally use gas from storage facilities in winter, on the contrary, have started replenishing them again. The inventory level of 82.98% is 10.8% higher than the five-year average, according to Gas Infrastructure Europe (GIE). Daily inventory increases by about 0.1%.

The price in Europe is $868 per thousand cubic meters. And this week, probably, the price will continue to decline. The reason is that warm weather is expected for at least another week. And this is the end of the first month of winter.

In fact, Russia has lost its main lever of influence on the EU - limiting the supply of blue fuel. The aggressor is trying to provoke an increase in the number of refugees from Ukraine by shelling energy infrastructure facilities and trying to use winter as a weapon against the civilian population. However, this plan, too, is likely to fail devastatingly.

The problem with Western Media is that they show their propaganda and most people believe that. For example they would never show the 15 million people who marched in the annual government organized parade for student's day about 2 months ago around the time the riots ended (which is practically showing the majority support for the government). They just show the dozen rioting kids and then attach their hopes to the story.

The reason is far more complicated than a bunch of primitive drones that have been destroying their hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons. It is because Iran has been ruining all their colonization plans for the past 50 years all around the world. In West Asia alone US spent nearly $10 trillion in two decades and today they have nothing to show for it but a ruined economy and lots of body bags.

P.S. As I said before they will keep lying about Iran of supplying drones to Russia that eventually they will force Iran to start making a different decision. The tone of the government is already changing and soon will the cost of such accusations.

Don't be offended, but you:
or deliberately distort reality
either do not own situations, have not studied the issue
or both

And now the explanation:
1. After the first, well-reasoned accusations of Iran in support of Russian terrorism, Iran officially denied it. And then they found a "way out" - the head of the Iranian Foreign Ministry OFFICIALLY stated that yes, they delivered, but it was like not in October, but earlier and they say in general "no more than 400 pieces"
But in Ukraine, more than 500 of them have already been shot down (from open sources) and attempts at new attacks continue all the time...

2. In Ukraine, more than 75% of these, as we call them "mopeds", are knocked down (they have a characteristic whine due to the two-stroke engine used). And accordingly, there are a lot of wreckage. I personally participated in the dismantling of such devices (I am a citizen of Ukraine, I take part in some actions as a technical specialist). And believe me - there is clear evidence of the country at least assembling these apparatuses. This is not Russia. Moreover - in Russia, due to its technological backwardness, all attempts to create something similar - ended in failure. Well, plus 100% compliance of devices called "Geran" (Russian high-tech refinement - replacing the inscription on the body of the device ) to the appearance, and to all other available data, of the Shahed 136 model.

3. Indirect confirmation - as soon as the UN raised the issue of an international commission to investigate the UAV wreckage in Ukraine, guess who squealed wildly and started spitting and yelling "no! no and again no"? That's right Russia and Iran
The question is - if Iran were honest - would it become so hysterical? It would be more profitable for Iran to say - ok, let's even help and provide partial technical documentation to make it clear - we do not support bastard regimes, we do not kill civilians in Ukraine, we are honest! But no - they began to hide and resist such an investigation. So they know whose Geranium / Shaheda

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/05/middleeast/iran-drones-russia-intl/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/10/iranian-made-drones-supplied-to-russia-after-february-invasion-says-ukraine

PS Cowardice and meanness are the fundamental driving forces of terrorism

While the supporters of the Russian world, in their inflamed brain, are inventing new excuses for the situation and inventing explanations that this is another "victory of the Russian Federation", the hydrocarbon market understood the vector and decided to turn towards lower prices, regardless of the tantrums from the Kremlin.
The ruble, as expected, began to fall, now we are really seeing pathetic attempts to artificially hold it back in order to keep the fake about "ruble stability" afloat.
China, Greece and other countries with large fleets of oil tankers have denied Russian terrorists transportation services. URALS oil has already fallen below the limit price set in the EU
A new outbreak of covid in China will most likely lead to the fact that China will stop buying, for a penny, the surplus oil that was formed in large quantities from Russia, which will lead to an even greater collapse in the price of Urals.
The US Congress passed a law on the seizure of the assets of Russian oligarchs who fell under sanctions (including assets where they are the ultimate beneficiaries) for further transfer to Ukraine as reparations!
This is only information "from the surface", and how many decisions are not yet public - you can't even imagine ....

But so far, there has not been any concrete evidence of Iran supplying UAVs to Russia. As far as I know, these are all accusations by Ukraine and the EU, and Iran has also repeatedly denied them because EU has not provided evidence. The EU and the US seem to have exhausted their arms support for Ukraine and are looking for every excuse to blame their weakness. It's funny when 29 countries are fighting a country with absurd sanctions and a bunch of supposedly modern weapons that still do nothing to Russia.