Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 32. (Read 14450 times)

It is absurd to think that the protests in Iran can lead to the overthrow of the regime so easily. It is also absurd to think that Western countries support these protests because Iran has provided Russia with drone fighters.
But at the same time, it cannot be denied that Iran is witnessing an unprecedented wave of protests, which was confirmed by the Iranian authorities themselves when they announced some time ago measures to review the law on wearing the veil for women after a decision to abolish the morality police.
On the other hand, supplying Russia with drone fighters does not mean that Russia and Iran are on the same front against Western countries, because Russia does not support Iran in its nuclear program.

Yes, maybe it's true that humans can make something from DIY creations to fulfil their need for energy scarcity. The European community must innovate regarding the energy generation they need now. regarding the solar panels that you are talking about as an alternative to cover needs, indeed this is one solution for now but what must be considered is the bad impact that can pollute the environment from the use of solar panels, as long as you know the materials for making solar cells contain harmful chemicals such as Cadmium which easily dissolves in water and the water will pollute the environment in its path (especially if solar panels are used massively and waste disposal is not taken care of).
This will be very dangerous because if the water is polluted, the sustainability of life in Europe will get worse because water is a source of life.

And here it is, Russia suddenly, realizing that the fingers are out of the pockets through the holes where the shitty rubles were just made an offer to supply Europe with more gas through the Yamal pipeline!
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/25/europe/russia-yamal-europe-gas-pipeline/index.html
Why? Simple
- they are out of cash, they have gone from surplus to deficit, the gas has nowhere to go as there are not enough pipelines, China is not paying as much and it  makes them bear all the cost for infrastructure, and they are not that eager to buy more either
- they see that LNG infrastructure is built at an alarming rate in Europe and they see that there is enough LNG so they are desperate to try to sell more to somehow make countries abandon those projects and let LNG exports with unsold inventories
- they see that the gas deposits are 83% full at the end of the year, up by 50% compared to last year, they see that Europe will go through winter without a problem so they want to score a point on the last mile to look like they were the ones that saved Europe from freezing, just lame!

But, but, that's not even remotely funny as the thing the intergalactic superpower is going through:
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202212129010
So the biggest gas producer in the known universe is having problems supplying gas to its own industry, shutting down factories, letting power burning mazut, and polluting so much of the capital that it had to close schools
As for the profits, they are far more desperate than the Russians, they are actually selling their oil for $37 a barrel:
https://www.pishkhan.com/news/287882

But no, despite inflation at 50%, the rial going straight to the toilet, it's the evil west that will fall, looooool!!!!  

And it doesn't stop here, it gets even funnier, a perfect example of how brainwashed propagandists fall into their own trap.
So, according to this guy, there is no mass protest in Iran:


Yet, their own central bank governor is blaming the fall of the currency on the protest:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-central-bank-governor-blames-protests-currencys-fall-2022-12-17/

So it is either that 50 people protesting in the streets have sent a currency in a death spiral, or, someone is just lying, lying and lying, over and over again.

Human have great mind. And they are known for their adaptability in different situation.
We live in the era when people are learning and making DIY things and they are progressing well. The solar panels are also one of the best things man has invented.

The good news is that they have yet to find an alternative energy source for next winter and their industries. At the moment, they are not to the point of conceding Russia to Russia to supply them with energy, but I believe that will happen soon. The US still supplies them with LNG in large quantities, but at many times more expensive, I don't think they can endure this situation forever. Protests are increasingly widespread in European countries, if the government is only absorbed in retaliation against Russia and forgets the people's suffering, they will soon suffer the consequences.

It's funny that a small scale protest in Iran that barely reached 50 in participant count and both started and ended months ago is referred to as "overthrowing the government" meanwhile the much bigger scale ongoing protests elsewhere like the 100k protests every week in Germany, the riots and strikes in UK and the chaos in France that looks more like civil war are not even seen

That's true but people read and believe what the politicians say in the propaganda towers known as mainstream media and you see it all over their arguments in this topic too.

"People" don't ignore it, politicians do. Because it they wouldn't, they couldn't congratulate themselves on how effective their policies are.
Paying more for less is only bad for the buyer.

People of Ukraine are coming back to their home amid bombing and terror
They are seeking shelters in their home and living there lives too - what a pity for them.

Europa is really in big trouble, they are the worst affected by this ban, in addition to their crippled energy, Europe can barely run its auto parts industry because of the ban on exports from southeast Asia which is also the largest supplier of nickel to Europa.
If Europe does not get energy sources from other countries, such as Arabia or America to meet the needs of its people, there is no other way but to swallow its own saliva and improve relations with Russia to re-stabilize the living ecosystem in Europe.
Approaches must be carried out again so that the anger of Russia and Ukraine can be mediated by the presence of their neighbouring countries.

This! The economists never take into account this Russian way of life. They are used to living very frugal, humble, simple life and therefore can live in conditions most westerners would find unbearable. They have cheap heating, electricity and gas. What else would they want?

How do I know? My ex-wife is Russian. My wife is Ukrainian. 

As to the gas export, don't worry guys, there always will be countries willing to make some profit off gas transit and/or reselling. For example Turkey: their economy is a mess now and they have a nice Russian gas pipe going directly to Istanbul. So what are they going to do? Exactly - pump and resell like there's no tomorrow! China and India will do the same. For sure, they're going to push the price down as low as they can but nothing Putin cannot afford. Just my 2c.

Nature and higher powers are on the side of Ukraine in this war.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet was unable to land troops to capture Odessa, largely because of the storms that began whenever their paratrooper ships went to sea.
Iran has started supplying its drones to Russia and has been punished by the great riots that continue to this day and threaten to overthrow their government.

China began to establish close trade relations with Russia, which borders on circumventing China's sanctions, and at the end of 2022 was paralyzed by a powerful outbreak of the COVID-19 epidemic. In one day, 37 million people fell ill with coronavirus in the country. The Chinese economy is almost completely paralyzed. In fact, today the entire industrial China has stood up. Logistics has stopped, transportation has stopped: everyone is sick. Whoever does not get sick will get sick literally tomorrow.
The current events will hit Russia especially hard, whose economy is already weakened by sanctions and critically dependent on supplies from the East.

However, this is not Moscow's biggest problem. The fact is that the paralysis of Chinese industry will certainly affect energy prices on world markets. Russia, which lives off the sale of hydrocarbons, will lose more of its income than previously expected.
In the last year, China has been one of the key buyers of Russian oil and gas. Now this sales market has been lost almost completely for an indefinite period. The Russians will have to tighten their belts further in 2023.

Conspiracy theories were invented by governments who wanted to silence whistleblowers and anybody who was criticizing their corrupted moves. Which is why they became popular.
For example a couple of years ago whenever anybody criticized the COVID19 vaccines they were branded as crazy conspiracy theorists and today the West is still struggling with the Pandemic and they have tens of thousands of new cases every day with hundreds of deaths in US alone.
The most recent one is the Energy Crisis in Europe which people called a "conspiracy theory" and now the crisis is showing its ugly head (eg. the de-industrialization of EU or the 2 hour blackout in London recently).

Conspiracy theories are incredibly popular.  Their occurrence is absolutely natural.  In fact, they replace religion for non-believers. 

People very often face incredibly complex social and historical processes that cannot be comprehended with the help of modern human thinking (in particular, with the help of logic and the scientific method). 

Therefore, people use simplified schemes for analysis, thereby trying to fight chaos. 

I don't know how wars start.....

Perhaps a big role in their occurrence is played by people - passionaries and people who know how to manipulate the collective unconscious.

with this crisis - there are more things and inventions coming forth.
People are now more careful about the power consumption. And that is one good point about it

I have an even more mythical thought, the great powers, the governments today are not the greatest force that can decide everything in this world. For me, there is still a larger force that is manipulating them all, crises, wars, or epidemics...people who never appear in the press or are not on the list of citizens of a particular country.
Regarding the war between Russia and Ukraine, I think it is not simply a war between two countries, but behind it is the redistribution of profits and power of the tycoons.

Not long ago, Russian propaganda squealed and spat saliva on the topic "Europe will freeze without Russian gas! There is no alternative and there won't be! Replace quickly - it won't work!"
Well, we already know that Russian propaganda is a storehouse of fakes
The biggest problem was the German economy, in which Russian gas was indeed "highly integrated". But after the economic terror against the EU, these countries realized that they had to part with such an inadequate supplier, and many quickly found a replacement for Russian gas. Germany remained. Her claims about building LNG terminals were met with laughter from Russian TV channels. The next tantrums were on the topic - yes, it will take you decades to build a new gas infrastructure, receive and process LNG .... They laughed


Germany's first floating LNG terminal launched

In the city of Wilhelmshaven in northwestern Germany, the country's first floating liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal was launched. The opening ceremony was attended by German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who announced the need to build new LNG terminals to fully compensate for energy supplies from Russia.

“Our goal is to fully compensate for the loss of Russian gas this year and next... It is necessary to continue building new LNG terminals, as well as agreeing on new supply contracts in the future,” said Mr. Scholz (quoted by Deutsche Welle).

The new terminal will start supplying gas to German households on December 22, enough to serve more than 50,000 homes in Germany a year.

Olaf Scholz announced the opening of the first German LNG terminals at the end of November. The reform of the German energy sector is aimed at minimizing its dependence on the supply of Russian resources. "

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5681200

And now the question is - where will the terrorist country put gas, which was completely and FOREVER abandoned in the EU? Try to dream up! )

You are right. The way to analyze this current global situation is to look at it as a conflict between two blocs in the world the East and the West not just two countries. In other words this is not so much about Russia "not being a stupid country" or "learning from past" but mostly about the Eastern Bloc working better than the Western Bloc as an alliance; not to mention that the majority of resources are in the East so there is already an upper hand in the East.

* In the Eastern bloc when they sanctioned Russia they just replaced those who left their economy with someone else (most of it anyways). For example their gas and oil went to India, China, Pakistan, etc. and even used Iranian channels that were built in the past 4 decades to circumvent sanctions.
* But in the Western bloc they are working against each other. For example US keeps printing more money and exports its resulting inflation to its allies in EU crashing their economy while absorbing part of the capital that leaves EU speeding up the de-industrialization of EU. That is while they also sell EU LNG and oil at an extremely high price (while Russia sells it in Eastern bloc at a discount!). As you said "Europe is sandwiched in this strategy".
The situation inside the European Union isn't good either. Stronger countries like UK and France and "squeezing" weaker countries like Italy, Greece and Balkans for their own survival.

There was a major development yesterday, which was ignored by most of the mainstream media in the West. Power of Siberia natural has pipeline, which runs from Russia to China was fully completed and commissioned on 21st December. This will allow the pipeline to operate at the nameplate capacity (38 billion cubic meters per year). China imports roughly 160 billion cubic meters of gas and at this point less than 10% of it comes from Russia. The completion of this pipeline will allow Russia to ship additional volumes to China.

I totally agree with you, the Invasion of Ukraine is a two-way strategy to increase wealth from oil.
Russia is not a stupid country, they must have learned from their predecessor, namely the Soviet Union which once ran rampant in the world. This ban has been Putin's calculation, of course, Putin will remain confident because most European countries are already dependent on them, it cannot be denied that this is what happened, the sanctions they received from Europe and America did not really affect Russia (in fact, there are benefits behind that). and Russia I noticed now that in the shadow of the global economic recession, Russia still looks stable.
Europe is sandwiched in this strategy, on the one hand banning Russian Gas, but on the other hand, they are already dependent on Russian gas. and forced European countries inevitably to buy expensive oil from Russia because they need it.

The countries that benefit the most from this ban are gas and oil-producing countries.
The main thing here is that America is the world's largest oil producer, followed by Russia and Saudi Arabia.

my bad thoughts, are they behind all this?

Not only do they not cooperate, I believe they will become closer to each other. You just need to remember that the national interest comes first, once bilateral cooperation generates profits for both parties, the cooperation will not face any obstacles from religion and culture. China needs abundant cheap Russian oil and gas to save production costs, and Russia needs profits from China to sustain its economy and support the war. And if the two countries separate, the US and EU will find a way to destroy each country one by one, forcing both to cooperate. Both are achieving their own interests, so there is no reason not to become close.