Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 169.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 05, 2023, 02:53:07 PM

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 09:32:01 PM

A big chunk of the military budget obviously went somewhere besides the military....

Obviously. If they intend to compete with USA, they need at least 2 wars in every decade,
to keep army in good shape and root out corruption

And keep NATO unified and NATO membership attractive to other countries, especially those that share a border with Russia.

No other person is more responsible for NATO expansion than Vlad.

Isn't it crazy to think that since invading Ukraine, Russias border with NATO countries has doubled?

Yes, because before war, Finland and Sweden was Russia-friendly and Russia allies

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 05, 2023, 02:53:07 PM

And keep NATO unified and NATO membership attractive to other countries, especially those that share a border with Russia.

No other person is more responsible for NATO expansion than Vlad.

Isn't it crazy to think that since invading Ukraine, Russias border with NATO countries has doubled?

From 1213 km to 2553 km. All thanks to Putin, without him it wouldn't had happened. I'm wondering, why Russians still aren't screaming about denazification of Finland and taking Helsinki in 3 days.

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Quote from: Branko on April 05, 2023, 02:21:26 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 09:32:01 PM

A big chunk of the military budget obviously went somewhere besides the military....

Obviously. If they intend to compete with USA, they need at least 2 wars in every decade,
to keep army in good shape and root out corruption

And keep NATO unified and NATO membership attractive to other countries, especially those that share a border with Russia.

No other person is more responsible for NATO expansion than Vlad.

Isn't it crazy to think that since invading Ukraine, Russias border with NATO countries has doubled?

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Quote from: Branko on April 05, 2023, 02:21:26 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 09:32:01 PM

A big chunk of the military budget obviously went somewhere besides the military....

Obviously. If they intend to compete with USA, they need at least 2 wars in every decade,
to keep army in good shape and root out corruption

If Russia could break through the lying media, and show the people of the world that they are in favor of peace, the world would overthrow their governments to get Russian peace.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 09:32:01 PM

A big chunk of the military budget obviously went somewhere besides the military....

Obviously. If they intend to compete with USA, they need at least 2 wars in every decade,
to keep army in good shape and root out corruption

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Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 02:52:34 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 01:53:47 AM

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Quote from: paxmao on April 03, 2023, 05:52:16 PM

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

Why are Falklands still occupied?

Why is Russia still occupied?

Because Putin still didn't purge all oligarchs that were plundering it and transferring money to the West

You might be accidentally right.

If we play along with Putin and the brainwashed Russia/MAGA crowd, where everything Russia does is a victory and everything not right with the world is Biden or transgender peoples fault, how do you explain Ukrainians still controlling land almost 6 months after the four Eastern Ukraine regions became officially part of Russia.

The front line is now in Russia.
There are more Ukrainian soldiers occupying Russia than the other way around.
Russia went from a special military operation that was supposed to only last a few months (according to be.open) to having to mobilize hundreds of thousands of civilians and bring in a nazi private military company to help defend mother russia...

And this probably is part of the reason:

Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 02:52:34 AM

Because Putin still didn't purge all oligarchs that were plundering it and transferring money to the West

A big chunk of the military budget obviously went somewhere besides the military....

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Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 01:11:47 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 03, 2023, 05:52:16 PM

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

Why are Falklands still occupied?

Occupied? By who? I know a consultation took place in Scotland recently and that all these territories decided to leave the UK, but I was not aware that a consultation had taken place in the Maldives - or that anyone had requested it.

I mean, unless you are referring to the 2013 consultation about the independence, in which...

Quote from: tvbcof on April 03, 2023, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 03, 2023, 12:09:08 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 03, 2023, 11:28:38 AM

Given how many contradictions there are in US politics, the US will fail long before Russia. The proof of it is in the failed US plan to win through Ukraine.

Even though all the democrats will be dead soon because they got vaccinated?

Sadly, no. Most of them have been given covaids which will shorten their lives and make them even more in love with Big Brother since they'll be even more dependent on Him to supply life-long palliative medical 'treatments'.

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In other news, what's this weeks excuse for the the delay of the promised unblocking of ~~Bakhmut~~ (now Artyomovsk)? Or 'the greatest counter-offensive' or whatever? Bad weather again? Or maybe they had it and nobody noticed? They seem to be behind schedule given that the cock-head clown was promising Crimea by 2023.

Great news for you then, Democrats will live short lives, so you just need to wait to get the government Putin needs in the US. Patience is a virtue.

Excuse for what? There will be no Ukranian offensive. Nothing to do with the bad weather, nothing is going to happen even if the sun shines. No need to worry, you just keep your eyes focused in every inch of Bakhmut and do not worry about anything else. Patience is a virtue.

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Quote from: suchmoon on April 04, 2023, 07:50:27 AM

Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 02:52:34 AM

Because Putin still didn't purge all oligarchs that were plundering it and transferring money to the West

You mean the great geo-strategist genius who doubled the length of Russia's border with NATO hasn't been able to fix Russia in 23 years? Shocking.

Number of billionaires in Russia when Putin started his promising career of a genocidal dictator: 0
Number of billionaires in Russia today: 100+ (due to sanctions might be down to ~80 by some estimates)

What a great purge of oligarchs. That'll teach them. If you plunder Russia it must be done thusly:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1695D/production/_116590529_download.png

Russian billionaires doesn't have anything to do with it. Look at the increase in US billionaires.

The increase in billionaires is simply caused by a banking system that makes inflation. More money to the rich is simply stealing money from the few poor who have some.

The increase in Russian billionaires only came about because Russia started doing fair and free trade with the world, just like the US does. The US didn't like it, so they declared war on Russia... Russia who was out US-ing the US regarding trade.

People and countries and their leaders are waking up to the slave-making operations of the US fiat banking system. That's why they are moving towards BRICS.

When the PEOPLE wake up to the schemes of their rich rulers, things like the billionaires will collapse. And that is what is happening to the US fiat banking system, the petro-dollar. It's starting. People will get hurt, like Ukraine. But the wealthy evil ones will be destroyed.

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Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 02:52:34 AM

Because Putin still didn't purge all oligarchs that were plundering it and transferring money to the West

You mean the great geo-strategist genius who doubled the length of Russia's border with NATO hasn't been able to fix Russia in 23 years? Shocking.

Number of billionaires in Russia when Putin started his promising career of a genocidal dictator: 0
Number of billionaires in Russia today: 100+ (due to sanctions might be down to ~80 by some estimates)

What a great purge of oligarchs. That'll teach them. If you plunder Russia it must be done thusly:

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 04, 2023, 01:53:47 AM

Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 01:11:47 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 03, 2023, 05:52:16 PM

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

Why are Falklands still occupied?

Why is Russia still occupied?

Because Putin still didn't purge all oligarchs that were plundering it and transferring money to the West

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Quote from: Branko on April 04, 2023, 01:11:47 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 03, 2023, 05:52:16 PM

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

Why are Falklands still occupied?

Why is Russia still occupied?

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Quote from: paxmao on April 03, 2023, 05:52:16 PM

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

Why are Falklands still occupied?

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Quote from: tvbcof on April 03, 2023, 08:32:21 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 03, 2023, 12:09:08 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 03, 2023, 11:28:38 AM

Given how many contradictions there are in US politics, the US will fail long before Russia. The proof of it is in the failed US plan to win through Ukraine.

Even though all the democrats will be dead soon because they got vaccinated?

Sadly, no. Most of them have been given covaids which will shorten their lives and make them even more in love with Big Brother since they'll be even more dependent on Him to supply life-long palliative medical 'treatments'.

In BADeckerville they will die before the 2024 election. It's why Trump pushed the vaccine.

Your version is just as stupid though.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 03, 2023, 12:09:08 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 03, 2023, 11:28:38 AM

Given how many contradictions there are in US politics, the US will fail long before Russia. The proof of it is in the failed US plan to win through Ukraine.

Even though all the democrats will be dead soon because they got vaccinated?

Sadly, no. Most of them have been given covaids which will shorten their lives and make them even more in love with Big Brother since they'll be even more dependent on Him to supply life-long palliative medical 'treatments'.

---

In other news, what's this weeks excuse for the the delay of the promised unblocking of ~~Bakhmut~~ (now Artyomovsk)? Or 'the greatest counter-offensive' or whatever? Bad weather again? Or maybe they had it and nobody noticed? They seem to be behind schedule given that the cock-head clown was promising Crimea by 2023.

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Quote from: Branko on April 03, 2023, 02:03:28 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 02, 2023, 04:51:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on April 02, 2023, 02:26:59 PM

Meanwhile in St. Peterburg someone exploed infamous Russian propagandist Vladlen Tatarsky. And seems that it happened in one of Prigozhin's restaurants:
https://t.me/informnapalm/16492
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/04/02/war-blogger-vladlen-tatarsky-reportedly-killed-in-a-prigozhin-owned-cafe
In one of his video, recorded at Kremlin he said:

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We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it

https://t.me/kolezev/13282
It seems that karma finally reached him. Other Russian propagandists won't sleep well tonight.

I would not say exactly "karma". A known centre of propaganda and a gathering of people that, not being the army officially, but clearly part of the war effort in terms of spreading mis-information and pro-Z propaganda, and probably directly involved in cyberthreats... sounds to me like a perfectly valid war target.

I guess war is no longer than patriotic and marvellous when you know they can blow you ass in St Petersburg right under the podcaster chairs of the "keyboard patriots division". Alas, it will take many more people's lives in both sides to get to the peace that should have never been broken.

So you supported IRA bombing in UK?

Did the IRA only hit legitimate targets during a war? Did they not, for example, set bomb a city centre with no particular strategic value or target?

The fact that a concealed bomb is used does not make it a terror attack. RF is at war with Ukraine, espionage, propaganda and production centres are legitimate targets. It would be not be acceptable to bomb a supermarket, shell a Theatre or kill civilians, steal their property and mass-grave them.

I support the peaceful (read it again) right to self determination and, in general, a military defensive response against a military attack with the objective of reaching a durable peace. More so when a democracy or something that could become a true democracy is at war with a despot.

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Quote from: suchmoon on April 03, 2023, 10:13:00 AM

Given how many high-profile individuals Putin's regime killed in elaborate ways (falling out of windows, poison, explosives, beating, disappearing, or just old plain shooting on the street) I'd say chances of "vladlen" falling victim of some MOD/FSB/PMC conflict are higher than Ukrainian conspiracy. Despite being an utter pro-war nutjob he was quite critical of the MOD in particular.

Which would be even better... I mean Ukrainians could do a few attacks like that, but Russian power structures fighting each other could inflict much more damage on themselves. Fingers crossed.

I also think more likely that it was done by Russian power structures, rather than by Ukrainians. As you said, he was nutjob, but he wasn't even first tier propagandist like Solovyov, Skabeeva or Simonyan. Somehow I doubt that Ukrainians would make such operation which wouldn't have much effect, other than satisfaction. It's a bit similar story like killing Darya Dugina, but then it was obvious that target was her father, not she.
IMO, it's more likely that someone in Russia decided to remove him. And it brings message to other propagandists that they should think about what they're talking.
Anyway, nobody can feel safe now in Russia, even if they're so far way from frontline.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 03, 2023, 11:28:38 AM

Given how many contradictions there are in US politics, the US will fail long before Russia. The proof of it is in the failed US plan to win through Ukraine.

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Even though all the democrats will be dead soon because they got vaccinated?

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Given how many contradictions there are in US politics, the US will fail long before Russia. The proof of it is in the failed US plan to win through Ukraine.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 02, 2023, 04:51:36 PM

I would not say exactly "karma". A known centre of propaganda and a gathering of people that, not being the army officially, but clearly part of the war effort in terms of spreading mis-information and pro-Z propaganda, and probably directly involved in cyberthreats... sounds to me like a perfectly valid war target.

I guess war is no longer than patriotic and marvellous when you know they can blow you ass in St Petersburg right under the podcaster chairs of the "keyboard patriots division". Alas, it will take many more people's lives in both sides to get to the peace that should have never been broken.

Given how many high-profile individuals Putin's regime killed in elaborate ways (falling out of windows, poison, explosives, beating, disappearing, or just old plain shooting on the street) I'd say chances of "vladlen" falling victim of some MOD/FSB/PMC conflict are higher than Ukrainian conspiracy. Despite being an utter pro-war nutjob he was quite critical of the MOD in particular.

Which would be even better... I mean Ukrainians could do a few attacks like that, but Russian power structures fighting each other could inflict much more damage on themselves. Fingers crossed.

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Quote from: Branko on April 03, 2023, 02:03:28 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 02, 2023, 04:51:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on April 02, 2023, 02:26:59 PM

Meanwhile in St. Peterburg someone exploed infamous Russian propagandist Vladlen Tatarsky. And seems that it happened in one of Prigozhin's restaurants:
https://t.me/informnapalm/16492
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/04/02/war-blogger-vladlen-tatarsky-reportedly-killed-in-a-prigozhin-owned-cafe
In one of his video, recorded at Kremlin he said:

Quote

We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it

https://t.me/kolezev/13282
It seems that karma finally reached him. Other Russian propagandists won't sleep well tonight.

I would not say exactly "karma". A known centre of propaganda and a gathering of people that, not being the army officially, but clearly part of the war effort in terms of spreading mis-information and pro-Z propaganda, and probably directly involved in cyberthreats... sounds to me like a perfectly valid war target.

I guess war is no longer than patriotic and marvellous when you know they can blow you ass in St Petersburg right under the podcaster chairs of the "keyboard patriots division". Alas, it will take many more people's lives in both sides to get to the peace that should have never been broken.

So you supported IRA bombing in UK?

So you support Hitlers special military operation France?

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