Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 188. (Read 73776 times)

I commend you for your attempts to continue, especially to stay on topic. And I thank you for staying on topic indirectly, by focusing on something else, thereby showing you have stayed as far as you can stay on topic.

So, we see that the Ukrainians are just as Russian as the Russians are Ukrainian. It takes another country to push them all off balance, and that country is the US.

Why is the US doing it this way? Because the methods they were using to conquer countries in the past didn't work... at least not very well. That's why they are shoveling all kinds of money and armaments into Ukraine, and hoping that the Ukrainian people will love the money enough to fight the US war against Russia for her. It's a new world method.

Why did the US change methods? Because Russia changed to the free-trade method, and started to overcome US trade relations around the world.

The silly people of Ukraine don't even see how they are being bamboozled by the US. Even if nobody uses nukes, by the time it is all over:
1. The whole US economy will be hurt;
2. Russia will be damaged some;
3. Ukraine will essentially be destroyed, except that Russia might have mercy on this people who are essentially their brothers. But maybe they won't, if Ukraine stupidly destroys the last feelings of brotherhood that Russia might have for them.

Any sympathy that people of the US might have for Ukraine, will be gone when things get hard enough for Americans economically. It always works this way... when one country supports another to their own detriment.

The "habit" seems to be developing quickly:

I do not want to get off-topic, but the fact that you despise history - probably because you think the world was created the moment you were born - perfectly explains why are you reinventing the wheel over and over, but making it a perfect square.

There is nothing psychological about it, religions and cultures coexist all over the world and is not ancient history. It is Belgium, Spain, Morocco (yes, not all Moroccans are actually Morrocans), perhaps around 10 countries in Africa, a few in Oceania and that is just to name a few... and yes, it is a question of willing to get alone and to not get poisoned from people who want to divide and confront. Again... no wonder you like Trump, your world is small and confrontational and you think you have "the right information" and any official media is by default wrong.

Debt can hardly be considered good if the debt burden exceeds 100% of GDP. Such debt is difficult to service, especially during periods of rising key rates, and almost impossible to repay. Almost all of the world's top 10 countries, except for Russia, have a debt burden exceeding 100% of GDP, and almost all of the top 10 countries have a catastrophic trade deficit. The largest economies in the world are giants with feet of clay. "Shaky" as you said is a good word.

Probably because West wants their resources, so they sent Germany in WW1, then Lenin to make revolution, then supported bloodshed that ensued
in civil war, then sent Hitler, then sent Chicago boys and now sent Zelensky...hard to develop when big chunk of the world is working against that
all the time

We can all have hope by reading the New York Times, lol.

How Putin's War in Ukraine Became a Catastrophe for Russia

Russian soldiers go into battle with little food, few bullets and instructions grabbed from Wikipedia for weapons they barely know how to use.
They plod through Ukraine with old maps like this one from the 1960s, recovered from the battlefield, or no maps at all.
They speak on open cellphone lines, revealing their positions and exposing the incompetence and disarray in their ranks.


Read more and click the links https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html

As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war.

Some Ukrainians are positively jubilant about the way things are going in Ukraine:

  Part of Ukraine where bombs will never fall
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eaGGIGlfRKV/

The reasons for this jubilation are becoming more obvious to me by the day.  What is very much more mysterious to me, and has remained elusive for the past year, involves the disposition of the various moving parts in Russia.  Russia is absolutely the main cog/millstone in the machine which is currently grinding up Ukraine, but how much of that is engineered by the chosen?  Relatedly, what is the future for Russia once their current task (which comes down to basically imploding the Collective West) is complete?

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Edit: completely different subject.  Some people are projecting that the nazi dupes are going to hide out in the salt mines of Soledar when the surface is overrun by the Russians (if hit hasn't been already as I write this.)  I suggest that it would be a remarkably bad idea.  A simple bore-hole can result in something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfDRvObfzs

Again, failing in the principles. RF annexed Crimea and had two army groups in the Donbass. This is unrelated to the current RF government trying to protect "Russians" (the best way to do so is not to let them be killed in a war), it is related to a medieval concept of dominance that Russia, precisely Moscow and St Petersbourgh reserve to themselves.

On regards to your theory of enough Muslims living in an area etc... A simple theory for a much more complex reality (simple, yet wrong, answers for complex problems, I am not surprised you like Trump), it depends a lot on historical context and how the governments are structured. To live in harmony is difficult, but if there is a will to do so, it is possible. It has happened during long periods in history, usually those of most progress.


Wrong - debt can be good or bad, it is about what do you buy with it. Simple example: You use a credit card a 22% interest to buy fancy yet not needed clothes (bad idea) or you borrow at 3% to create a business that generates 15% returns (good idea). Debt simply makes things "shaky" but also gives an edge.

An undeveloped services sector is not healthy. A barrel of oil is pretty much a barrel of oil (not exactly true), an copper is copper...  services are key for competitivity.

In Russia, the service sector is underdeveloped, which in developed countries gives up to 70-80% of GDP. Also in Russia, the habit of living in debt is less developed, which also negatively affects the absolute figures of GDP, but is favorable for a healthier structure of the economy.

So the internets is telling me Russia is the largest country in the world (by a lot). And they have more resources than any other country (by a lot).  So...why are they barely cracking the top 10 in countries by GDP?  

Somebody might say that Islam is a religion. Maybe so. But it is a government, as well.

A person can voluntarily become a Muslim. But if he doesn't want to, one of 3 things will happen:
1. If there aren't enough Muslims in an area, he won't have to become a Muslim;
2. If there are a reasonable number of Muslims in the area, they will nag him in little ways until he becomes Muslim or leaves;
3. If there are a lot of Muslims in an area, they will gradually force everybody else to become Muslims, leave, or they will assassinate/execute them.
That's how Islam grows.

Same said Ukraine. We see it in the fact that the Ukraine government/military started destroying, wounding, and killing Russians and Russia-favoring people in the Donbas area (and other areas) since at least 2014. In fact, it was the Ukrainian military amassing on the borders of the Donbas that caused Russia to move in and protect people in that area.

If Russia had not stepped in, undoubtedly we would have seen a lot more people...
1. leaving the area and moving to Russia;
2. firmly joining Ukraine (Stockholm syndrome);
3. dying.

Ukrainian government methods of expansion are similar to Islam's government expansion methods, even though their religion might be different.

Ukraine, a government of violence... just like Islam.

Apart from your usual bizarre "sources", what Ukraine and Ukrainians do or don't do is not based on what Zelensky decides or says. Fighting in the front is not about one guy  or even a few people in government (in the RF it may be much more like that) because the defence of a country cannot be done without a high degree of support. This is even more true when the enemy is supposedly superior in numbers and has abundant resources (although now that is quite questionable).

The answer is much simpler: Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Putin from Moscow. It did not go well in the past.


Sure, Italy 2.0 Trillion, RF 2.1 Trillion ... Does this really make you feel more reassured? Is that where your dream of the RF having some hold in Europe is based? From your same source, even without the US doing anything, the sum of Spain and Poland is in GDP the same as the RF. Basically, you are proving one of my points, so thanks.

BTW, the GDP of the RF has not risen, it is shrinking and the forecasts for next year is even worse. Italy's has probably go down, as tourism has been damaged by COVID - and before you say something silly, Euros from tourism buy the same weapons as Euros from oil exports.

It is perfectly valid as for comparison purposes. The GDP of a financial sector buys weapons and manufacturing facilities just as any other. And remember, economically speaking, your beloved leader has managed to get all the EU and other bits of Europe united against him - he is no longer fighting just Ukraine in economic terms. I can only congratulate your Psychos for this achievement that not even the best statespersons of Europe could achieve.

Lastly, a product of 2.1 Trillion for such a large territory and such a large number of people should be something to make you think about. How did the RF got there? Very simple, by the isolation and confrontation politics of the USSR, that Adolf Putin is now implementing. Again, congratulations.


An the RF is far superior in speed. No matter how much the Ukrainian soldiers run to them with white flags shouting "we surrender" the RF troops are victoriously running towards Moscow, to give the great news, even faster.

BTW has anyone noticed that Wagner was one the main "symbols" during Nazism? Interesting name choice.

Russian troops retreat victoriously. Ukrainian Army runs after them in panic.

Got it.

Your information is out of date. According to recent data, in terms of GDP, Russia rose from 11th to 9th place in the world over the year, overtaking Italy. But data on Ukraine is difficult to find, according to various estimates, its GDP fell from 30 to 37% over the year, and in terms of GDP, Ukraine now neighbors Ethiopia and Sri Lanka.

And all this is unimportant, because it is not the size that matters, but the structure of GDP. In the GDP of developed countries, a large volume is occupied by services and derivative financial instruments. Therefore, it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Italy and Russia, although they are close in size. Just as it is incorrect to directly compare the GDP of Ukraine and Sri Lanka, although they are also close in size.

Turns out the Ukraine War has been precipitating for years, as a plan to change the whole world. The Ukrainian people are simply cannon fodder or less. The people of the world who buy into the legitimacy of the war according tho the US government and media, are manipulated puppets.

Watch the short video, and read the Schwab note at the site.


Belarus Drafts Every Male 18 to 60 for the Inevitable War


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/belarus-drafts-every-male-18-to-60-for-the-inevitable-war/
The Ukrainian people are FOOLS! Zelensky has been paid off to sacrifice his entire country. He is the modern-day Judas betraying his own people for a handful of silver. The West wants this war and they are using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder to weaken Russia before they make their invasion to seek justice and retribution for Ukraine. There was a Donbas Referendum of 1994, in which the whole world turned a blind eye to those people who have been denied basic human rights because they are ethnically Russian. This is a premeditated war that they need to collapse the monetary system and get to create Bretton Woods II with digital currencies and sovereign debt will all simply evaporate.

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The theory of the soldiers using their phones and being spotted is technically very dubious, not impossible though. A phone can typically reach an antenna at less than 50 miles, but probably can be detected at 60 miles with proper equipment. I would say in the is the range of the possible.

However, I think is much more likely that military communications themselves are detected. If they were not encrypted, well, it does not get any easier to hit munitions and kill anyone around them. If they were encrypted but geolocated, there is still a good chance that they are interpreted as movement, simply by the volume of communications on the area.

My guess: an increment of comms in the area are detected, this is brought to the attention of "the eyes of the heavenly gods" which may have confirmed supply convoys, too much unexplained movement of vehicles or, if the RF army is stupid enough - and we have seen plenty of that - plain sight supply operations.

We may have not seen the last of this. There are thousands of troops and depots in HIMARS 80km range. In fact I wonder how many of these cases go unannounced.

There seems to be some RF soldiers smoking where they should not in Sebastopol.

https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/58861

On the "crystal ball" I can see that the numbers of RF troops in the south are thinning. I would not discard an Ukrainian advance in the general direction of Melitopol from Zaporilla. A less likely one, a push from Kherson to create a perimeter, strategically convenient but hard to execute.

Blaming troops for using phones isn't most stupid thing that came from Russia. It's not first time when Russians revealed their positions by uploading photos to Instagram or VK. But yeah, at least 400-600 troops in school, with vehicles and ammunition - it's impossible to hide such thing.

I'm not sure from where you're getting information, but from things which I see, Russia have huge loses in Bakhmut direction. They send there Wagner troops mostly. They don't value lifes of their troops much, but it seems that life of Wagner troops is worth below zero. I just remind that Wagner is taking criminals from prisons to fight in Ukraine.
Ukraine loses is also significant there, that's inevitavble unfortunately.

The Bahkmut meat grinder seems to be one of the most unethical hell holes of the modern day. Just send em' in there to hold the lines.

I was a little mixed on war strategy earlier as there was some give and take on both sides, but it's really felt like the past 2-3 months or so Russia has been outplaying Ukraine / the west. Just my opinion. They made some smart retreats from some areas and doubled down on areas to go hard which seems to be having a lot of numbers go their way in a war of attrition.