Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 190. (Read 77483 times)

No that is not true. Ukraine is defending its sovereignty, the Russian Federation is waging a war to conquer territory that belong to Ukraine. There is no threat to the Russian Federation. Even during this war, the non-combatant countries are not doing everything they could to stop the RF army and are even reluctant to send a few tanks to the Ukrainian army.

Okay. I should have said, "They tried to buffalo them, but all they could find was bison. But that sounded too much like Biden, so they used cardboard?"

Yes I'm sure it's just business as usual in moscow, nothing to do with the special operation.  It would be foolish and naive to think otherwise.

At first they tried to buffalo them. Then they found that all they had was bison. So, they used cardboard instead.

Except for brief periods of time when certain 'Muslims' wish to fly a few passenger planes into a few buildings.  Those bad bad 'Muslims'.

This will probably come as surprise to you, but New York, Washington etc also have air defense systems around them

And why would they try to fool the enemy with decoy air defense on a roof in Moscow.....

It's probably made of cardboard, just to fool the enemy.

Putin will probably start sending 10x the number of drones into Ukraine, 90% of them made of nothing, just to get the Ukrainians to waste ammo.

That's something beyond ridiculous. Putting air defense system on the roof of building. I can't believe that they did it seriously. Ok, maybe roof can whitstand it just standing, but interesting what would happen if they would try to use it there. And then they blame Ukrainian side for deplying and using air defense system in cties.
BTW, they deployed another Pantsir nearby to Putin's residence.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/909827-air-defense-complex-set-near-putin-s-residence-near-moscow-media-showed-video
From taking Kyiv in 3 days to preparations to defend Moscow.

I hope you understand that going into direct confrontantion with West would be suicide move for Russia.

Addressing President Putin as a detector means you are already taking sides because both countries are trying to save their sovereignties as a nation. The United Kingdom and the United States are just playing politics with the Russian people and their economic activities. The sooner the president of Ukraine understands this trick, the better for them.

The problem is not if it is "profitable" to confront the RF (it is already happening in case you have not noticed, it is just that Europe is not sending people), the problem is that having the RF, which has given proof of being aggressive, at the doors of Poland and Central Europe is even more expensive than "confronting".

But the cure for overconfidence is simply loosing. The problem is that it comes at a huge cost, as you will eventually learn.


He must have learnt about the "precision" of their own missiles.

Was putting up a SAM on the roof of the Russian MOD building one of the goals?

Yep, and I have repeatedly said that time works for Russia. And I don't underestimate the West. Not only is it unprofitable for the West to enter into direct confrontation with Russia, it is also unprofitable for the excessive escalation of the Ukrainian conflict. Because if it gets out of control, this fire could engulf the whole of Europe.

No no no... This is not "the Russians" -  The current RF government may not be able to survive a clear defeat. Russians can perfectly go on with their lives victorious or not. I mean, those that have not died for Putin in vain.


Very thoughtful of you to tell others what they should worry about. Meanwhile the RF is being played into using up the economic resources, the manpower and the political capital into a war that, even if "won" is already lost - What would you be "occupying"? A country flattened to ruins and full of people that do not want Russians there? A country in which you will need permanent military presence? A new breeding ground for possible terrorism?

But do not worry - that is not going to happen. The US strategists know that Russia is not a country to be taken militarily or by killing their people, or by taking up territory. As the cold war proved, all they have to do is embarking the RF into an attrition war - similar to the cold war that broke the USSR, but this time probably faster.

Russia will stand, for sure, in some form or shape, probably poorer... with one government or another, as for you individually, well... when there is an economic shitstorm chances are that you, your friends and your family get caught into it so take up your own advice and get ready for the crash.


Latest news are that Germany will provide more Patriot batteries and they are considering sending proper MBT, such as the Leopard. Things are going to get ugly for those soviet era tanks, half maintained and undermanned. All of that may not stop the war, but does accelerate the degradation of the "soviet army", the (unfortunately) killing of young RF citizens and the economic pressure on the RF military expenses.

You seem to be very confident about Russia abilities to continue war for many years with unlimited number of tanks, missiles human power and etc. And at the same time you understimate West. Things like Himars is cool, but in general, NATO countries gave to Ukraine things that they don't need themelves. Like tanks from soviet era, post WW2 howitzers. But they aren't getting things what would be real game changer like long range missiles for HIMARS, combat aircrafts and etc. There is so much noise about air defense systems or Leopard tanks because West still fear to ''escalate conflict. But Ukraine achieved a lot already with things that they have.

What are all of the goals?

Seems like they've changed quite a bit from back when they were planning a parade in Kiev on May 9 2022 (and it would be naive and foolish to doubt it) and stopping NATO expansion (in direct response to the war, NATO expanded to 2 more countries, both on Russias border).

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In other news:

U.S. Warms to Helping Ukraine Target Crimea
The Biden administration is considering the argument that Kyiv needs the power to strike at the Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/us/politics/ukraine-crimea-military.html

I think Putin has taken a rather tough and principled position in the style of "all the goals of the special operation will be achieved in full."

They fear west invasion, and history say they're right about that.
Treatment of Russia by USA and their EU vassals since breakup of USSR
confirms their fears too.
Unfortunately, USA currently owns much more soft power (USD printing machine
been the most powerful part) that Russia could oppose it only by military
That is the world we live in

That's a good excuse to wrap up the whole "special operation". We don't want Ukraine anymore, it's bombed to shit and in debt, let's go home. Can you pass this idea to Putin? Thanks.

Russians can't afford to lose this war, so they will probably all die before giving up