Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 192. (Read 73754 times)

I don't. And - as usual with whataboutism deflection - you failed to indicate whether those two things are supposed to be positive or negative. Either case doesn't make sense, but it would be nice if you clarified this point.


No, I'd say I have a pretty good understanding. Here is a quick recap if you need help: your genocidal dictator invaded Ukraine.


There was never any proof beyond speculation of Ukrainians having that many, let alone any proof of Russians destroying that many. It's even more ridiculous with airplanes (because none are being delivered from abroad) and HIMARS launchers (numbers of which are quite public) that Konashenkov destroys in numbers large enough that make even the aforementioned Z-voyenkors cringe.


Tabloids publish headlines that draw attention. That's how they get the clicks and the revenue. They don't make policy. I know media is fucked up in Russia, but come on, you must have at least some theoretical understanding on how it works? Do you really think The Sun can start a world war?


Damn, you still think Zelensky as a person and/or his "regime" is what's important in this war. Here's the thing. Putin gives an order to retreat - war ends. Or if he croaks - there's a good chance war ends too. Zelensky does that - war most likely doesn't end. Take a minute to think about that.


Oryx collects photo or video proof and goes to painstaking lengths to verify/deduplicate/identify the equipment. As far as sources go, it's one of the best. It's quite telling that you try to discredit it based on who posted the link.

Not at all. For a country in the BRICS group, anything less than growing the GDP by 5% is an absolute failure - which is the case. But that is only the short term. I wonder if RF is counting on China buying their oil and gas, because others will think twice before trusting the crazy Ivans.


No contradiction whatsoever, US is not at war, the US is helping Ukraine at 50% speed. I assume this is something you need to read twice to avoid being confused about it.
It seems that the decision was to get rid of a pro-RF government and choose a pro-occidental government. Who can blame them?

Did you hear Putin fell down the stairs and pooped his pants?

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By the way, the telegram post that LTU referred to has apparently already been deleted. Therefore, with your criticism, you help such channels become objective sources of information. Although the British and Ukrainian media usually do not remove their lies, even after numerous complaints.

You publish Western propaganda as facts, without trying to think critically and without understanding the origins of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict at all.
I suggest you read a book about the OUN UPA by a Canadian professor of history and all those who believe that there is no Nazism in modern Ukraine.



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At least, everything is quite consistent with bayraktars. In the summer, Ukrainian sources called the number of delivered Turkish drones from 60 to 96 (~ 10-16 complexes, one complex includes 6 drones). Konashenkov in his reports announced the destruction of about 85 bayraktars.

The cause of WW3 could be the cretinism of the Ukrainian authorities, who, with the help of the Polish incident, tried to draw NATO into a full-fledged war with Russia, and the "British tabloids" provided them with information support in this. Only the full involvement of NATO can save the Zelensky regime from complete failure, even though tens of millions of people could be killed because of this.

I'm far from the great military analysts who seriously believe that the Russians themselves blow up their gas pipes.

American propaganda claimed that the Russian hackers helped Trump win the election a few years ago. This year, Biden said that it was Putin who was to blame for the inflation in the United States. What would you call this phenomenon? I would suggest calling it "Biden's Brain Syndrome".
And Zelensky’s wife, this deceitful brute, bypassed with her lies even such a filthy creature as Lyudmila Denisova, and she lies that the wives of Russian soldiers encouraged their husbands to rape Ukrainian women. I sincerely tell you, those morons who believe in this nonsense are dumber than amoeba.

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Do you think that American, European or Ukrainian media never lie, or do you have a special goal in life to expose lies only in the Russian media?

Except for the fact that this is not the first attempt by the Zelensky to draw NATO countries into a direct conflict with Russia. The Ukrainian air defense missile flew in the opposite direction and was supposed to self-destruct and not fly into Poland. Only due to the fact that the journalists managed to photograph the fragments of the rocket in time, the Ukrainians could not accuse Russia of attacking the Poles. But the British and Canadians, on the other hand, tried very hard to blame Russia for this air strike.

It is read as it is written and there is no need to invent your own version of events.

Enough of the acting already, mind reader. Just admit that you are making up stories based on your own personal fantasies.

Read on. It's detailed there.

Aren't you tired of juggling facts yet? In that post, I refer to the Ukrainian site defense-ua.com to determine how many Turkish drones were delivered to Ukraine. Ukrainian sources give an approximate number - from 60 to 96, because one bayraktar complex contains 6 of these drones. If it seemed to you that two Ukrainian users debunked something there, then you are demonstrating your ignorance in this way. Especially for people like you, a lazy reader of thoughts, I publish a quote from the Ukrainian site.

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Now look what Ukrainian user Johnny wrote. For some reason, he added to the 72 Turkish drones (which were discovered by the Russian army in April) already destroyed drones (35 units).


72 is the number of drones detected by the Russian army from late February to mid-April 2022. 35 drones, according to the Russian army, were destroyed in March, and these downed 35 bayraktars are part of 72 drones found in April. Therefore, when Johnny adds 35 to 72 drones, he is doing complete nonsense.

Johnny also writes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 75 bayraktars in June. Apparently, he forgot how to read, because it was written to him in Ukrainian and white on the Ukrainian website that from 60 to 96 drones were in Ukraine at the end of June 2022.

Further, Johnny refers to some obscure blog, calling it a "neutral source". Why is it neutral? Obviously because user Johnny called it that.


There was also the slanderer Waradlain, who came up with an amazing story about a "ready post by e-mail" on the grounds that in the post about bayraktars there was a link to the telegram channel, which I myself indicated as needing verification, and which was not the main one in my post.

Therefore, LTU_btc, before throwing accusations, first make an effort on yourself and study the situation in detail. The fact that these two Ukrainian users sang there does not in any way confirm Medusa's lies about bayraktars, which you quoted.

PS. I noticed the signature that you placed under your avatar. Do you know that this is the Nazi greeting of Ukrainian Nationalists, which were responsible for the death of tens of thousands of Jews and Poles? I didn’t specifically write about Russians, it seems that you don’t care when they are killed, but maybe at least your attitude towards Poles and Jews is a little better.

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When they will learn that's not safe to smoke near to objects like pipelines, military bases and etc.

Offcourse it's getting boring when Russia failed to achieve something significant in last few month and some things can be considered as negative success.

Meanwhile Europe is freezing to cold  

Besides contradicting yourself about if the US is making war...

Of course Ukrainians have the right to make their own decisions. Everybody does. That's not the question.

The question is, What decisions did they make? A second question is, Were their decisions honored, or was the vote a CIA controlled lie?

There are loads of Ukrainians that side with Russia... maybe the majority. Their decision is not being honored by the US or Zelensky. And you don't even want to admit it.

The series of unfortunate pipeline events continues.


Surprisingly they don't blame Biden, perhaps that would be a bit of a stretch even for the library of amazing tales that is Russian propaganda.

You would need to answer your own question, as you are the one stating that the US is at war, which is not the case.

If you want to know my opinion, the US is absolutely fine with having Adolf Putin in there, at least it gives a certain stability to the whole nuclear thing. The last thing you'd want is the RF to fall in disarray and become a failed state or come into the hands of the more radical branch of the Orc Army, which would happen if the US pressed at 100%. The US game is not difficult to guess, it is just a question of "winning" the war without creating bigger problems.

- Ukraine becomes an ally and the buffer against RF expansion (not just military, also in influence an economic).
- Europe becomes more indebted mainly with the US.
- More weapons will be sold, good for US business.
- Blocks are formed - helpful against China in the near future.
- Europe looses competitiveness as the cheap RF resources are not coming in the near and perhaps long term.

As said many times, the only winner in this war, if any, is the US.

There are very good reasons to pour money and help into Ukraine. As usual, none are particularly altruistic.

BTW, NATO does not "push". It is merely defensive and joining is voluntary. But the question is not about military matters, is a fight for economic influence. I like to think that also democratic principles are involved, but I guess that is just a side effect on this case.

Wake up the bear?? The bear seems to be the second biggest bear in Ukraine for now. May even loose the regional power status if things keep like this.


As far as I am concerned, Ukrainians have the right to make their own decisions. Adolf Putin has to come to the XXI century and understand that governments are to be decided by the people, anything else is Middleage.

And I, in turn, got bored with the topic of Ukraine, at least against the backdrop of the recent World Cup.

Yep, almost painless. It seems that Europe suffers from anti-Russian sanctions much more than Russia. For "twice torn to shreds" the Russian economy feels just fine.

Sure you could believe it, just look at West propaganda about Russia, or Covid...so many including you are believing it

*biggest eyeroll ever*

If it weren't for you I wouldn't believe it possible someone could be as vulnerable to propaganda as you have proven to be.

But here is where your own thinking backfires on itself. If Russia is so weak, why hasn't the US military simply gone in there and broken her apart... especially since they have all that Nato around there in Europe?

Something like almost $100 billion has gone US to Ukraine so far. And Biden and Congress are promising another $38 billion in the coming weeks. How many more billions is it going to take before the US destroys itself with inflation before they make Ukraine strong enough to begin to fight Russia?

With the break-up of the USSR in '91, there was the promise that Nato wouldn't push further in the direction of Russia. So, Russia was dumb enough to trust that, and to go into somewhat of a bit of hibernation. The US is waking her up by slapping her with Ukraine... like a hibernating bear might get pestered by a squirrel.

You don't want to wake this bear up... if you know what is good for you. Let her sleep. Live and let live. Trade and let trade. But don't wake the bear up.

You have an interesting style of writing... for example "when Trump wins the elections", when "Rusia wins", when the RF develops this weapon, when... But the "when" and the "ifs" are just wishful thinking.

In this case the latest stuff is the "unstoppable weapon" myth. Look, the RF already has the technology and the ability to use missiles that range from very difficult to nearly impossible to stop, but that does not matter because the can produce a tiny amount of them, some fail spectacularly and they are more expensive that most targets out there. On top of that, they are a weapon of terror, but will not win a war - unless used in quantities that the RF cannot produce.

Why the heck do you thing they are using IKEA drones?


They cannot seek help, RF doctors have gone away.

LOL, offcourse that I know that's pro-Russian channel, but where did I used it as source of information. I just showed obvious example from Russian media how they're making fake stories.


Because initially it looked like it was Russian missile. I just remind you that on that day Russia made massie attack on Ukrainian infrastructure and it wouldn't be nothing surprising that their missile landed in territory in Poland, same like there stories about missiles landed in territory of Moldova. There was no logical reasons to think that it was Ukrainian missile.
BTW, there wasn't just Brittish newspapers, but basically press of whole world..
P.S. I'm very sceptical about information Brittish press, especially tabloids, and not only about war topic. They would do anything to get more clicks.


Yeah, this one. Offcourse, I don't read her minds, but from context it looks that she was thinking that it was Russian missile. How else you would explain words ''how did you wanted''?


I'm not subscribed here channel, so, I didn't saw this posts. But actually it's not even here text, it's just repost from other channel.

Where do you see manipulation on facts and where exactly is lies in my post? Your fakes were debunked multiple times by me and other users. I'm a bit lazy to dig deep in past, but here is one example with Bayraktars:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60498312

I don't think you really can't see the difference... come on. LTU_btc posted it as an example of a false claim, it's absurd to imply Z-support here. You post Z-links and other Russian propaganda as facts. You also post Konashenkov's (who claims to have destroyed more bayraktars, airplanes, and HIMARS launchers than Ukraine ever had) bullshit unironically. Then you claim that British tabloids are starting WW3.

But if you are indeed serious about this then is seems that Putinism has caused you severe brain damage. Seek help.

^^^ Not only do I agree with you, but the evidence is as you say.

It is so difficult determining which of those people are trolls - maybe paid trolls - and which of them are sincerely mistaken - who have hopes and dreams they are talking up, hoping that their talk will make it successful for them.

The video shows how the missile hits the already destroyed Russian military equipment S-300. For what purpose this video was published only now (judging by the green grass, the video is not fresh) one can only guess. However, it's good that it's published because people should develop a healthy response to resisting any lies, especially on such sensitive topics.


https://t.me/sanya_florida/5902


You just posted a link to the @HersonVestnik yourself as your source of information. Should I show you their logo or did you not see it the first time?

Here is their logo


Then you should be recognized as a supporter of the Z movement?
It turns out that you consider yourself entitled to publish any links when it suits you, but you criticize other people for the same.


But you obviously underestimate them. Why do you think they lied in their articles about Russian strikes on the territory of Poland, was it not for the purpose of escalating the conflict?



Apparently, you mean this post in Telegram?

https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12433

Have you seriously concluded about Simonyan's thoughts on this text? Especially for you, here is the next post in her telegram, which she published 10 minutes later.


https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12434

You are again manipulating the facts.

Who debunked, are you? You couldn't even write a post without lying.

Seems to me that Russia currently only has 1 of these missiles. But it may have several. If production gets under way, nobody will be able to stop Russia.


Putin prepares new hypersonic 20,000 mph Avangard 'meteorite' missile...

"Polish people will know how people of Belgorod in border feels" doesn't mean she thinks it was Russian missile.
I bet those two Poles would die no matter who launched missile.
Try to use logic sometimes

If that's true then it would make for a very bad Russian joke.

(Intentionally) Firing at your own weapons while you are losing a war? I would not be surprised if the war ends in 2023 at this rate (with Russian withdrawal from Ukraine).