Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 192. (Read 77490 times)

Looks to me as though Russia plans to integrate into the federation all the land they've gained control of to date, and a certain amount more, and a high priority strategic objective in such a case would be to not alienate the local populations.  Ergo, the contracts with Wagner PMC would be very clear on this, and if the organization is well run the behavior of the personnel would be reflective of it.  I pay pretty close attention and have yet to see convincing evidence of widespread 'misbehavior' on the part of the Wagner mercs toward civilians.  Just the opposite in fact...although they can be pretty hard on their own in instances where an individual deviates from expectations.

Speaking of the sledgehammer incident, it seems almost certain that the Ukroids simply drugged and sold the defector back to Wagner.  Exactly what I would expect from the ZioNazis.  I wonder how much they got for him?  Of course I also wonder if the whole thing wasn't scripted.

Anyway, if Wagner is used in the Western parts of Ukraine which is to either be denazaified and abandoned by Russia, or given as-is to the Romanians and Poles, I would expect them to act a lot more like your average run-of-the-mill mercenaries.

Wagner is volunteers mainly from among the former prisoners. I don’t care what they believe and whether they believe in anything at all, I am of the opinion that the exchange of Wagnerites for Ukrainians, which has been taking place in the Artyomovsk direction for several months during fierce street battles, is beneficial for Russia and unprofitable for Ukraine.

They will step over their own dicks over and over everytime they try to make an argument about "fighting nazis". At this moment, the behaviour, government, style of politics and repression depict a clearly fascist regime in the RF. No need for consultations, opposition in jail, and groups of para-militaries doing the dirty job that the regular army does not want or cannot do.

^^^ Nazi's have factions, same as any other group. So, we are back to Russia and Ukraine. This time the Russian Nazi's were better at it.

Wait I thought you were anti-Nazi.

You know the Wagner group got it's name from the call sign of Dmitry Utkin, it's founder.  Utkin has SS tattoos.  And Wagner was Hitlers favorite composer.  They played his music at every Nazi rally.

Have you been a Nazi supporter this whole time?

Or do you not really care one way or the other.

I still remember Izium, Popasna... all cauldrons full of Ukrainians and definitive steps in victory... until the Ukrainian army pressed a little bit back and off your go, all running. Wagner's are no different - they run or die when shelled and when they can no longer get supplies because their depots are being HIMARSed. This is like a few months ago, the RF will "strategically retreat" from minimal territory because "they never really wanted it".

BTW I wonder what type of rights assist irregular troops. If not part of the RF army nor their structure, I guess they are just terrorists?

For those who are saying that Russian economy is doing fine: Their budget deficit in 2022 was 3.35 trillion rubles or $47.3 billion. Only year when it was worse was covid affected 2020. But everything is fine, nothing didn't happened and only Europe is freezing to cold this winter
https://t.me/donbasscase/10205

Also, they promoted Aleksandr Lapin to cheff of Ground Forces. I just remind that Lapin got lot of hate in Russia after retreat from Lyman

After long months of negative success and some glorious retreats, Russia finally achieved something... Do you still dream about taking Kyiv?

Now Russia has captured the Ukrainian town of Soledar in the eastern region of Donetsk. This includes the salt mines where Ukrainian forces have stockpiled loads of armaments. The fighting isn't over, but the "Wagner Group" is claiming that it did the work, to the chagrin of Russian forces as a whole.


Russian paramilitary ‘Wagner Group’ said to have captured Ukrainian salt mines as experts predict war will escalate

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-12-russian-paramilitary-wagner-group-captured-ukrainian-salt-mines.html
Russian forces in Ukraine have suffered a string of defeats in recent weeks, but a noted paramilitary force that operates with the permission of Moscow, the Wagner Group claims to have captured a key objective in the Ukrainian town of Soledar in the eastern region of Donetsk.

According to reports, the head of the organization, Yevgeny Prigozhin, admitted in social media comments on Tuesday and Wednesday that fighting continues in the region. But, he claimed, “Units of the Wagner private military company have taken the entire territory of Soledar under their control,” and Ukrainian forces are now surrounded.

“The city center has been surrounded, and urban warfare is underway. The number of captives will be announced tomorrow,” Prigozhin noted. “No units other than Wagner PMC fighters were involved in the storming of Soledar.”

The Amsterdam-based Moscow Times and Agence France Presse emphasized: “If confirmed, the capture of Soledar would mark Russia’s biggest success in its war on Ukraine following months of retreats elsewhere.”

But that said, Prigozhin’s emphasis that it was “only Wagner” forces that captured the region and no regular forces managed any success in Soledar has led to consternation and anger among the Russian military chain of command.

In its daily briefing, the British Ministry of Defense (MoD) acknowledged that the majority of the town, or what’s left of it, is under the control of Russia.
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Amazingly, everyone in Russia seems to know that the government is full of thieves and not to be trusted, but all of these issues can only be fixed by the benevolent tsar (don't try to ask a Russian patriot why the tsar hasn't done so in 23 years).

As for TG channels, there is a lot of talk about all sorts of issues in the military but also a lot of naiveté along the same lines of "fixing" it. Armata is very close to being ready, and a batch of T-90s has been produced, and they even invented guided bombs... with no real attempt to reconcile all that with the losses in the war and whether this supposed industry ramp-up comes close to filling those losses.

Then Putin comes on TV and talks about sending a warship around the world with some wunderwaffe on board. Can Biden do that? Check and mate.

It is interesting that channels are talking about corruption and mismanagement. Did actually RF citizens not know what has been pretty much the cancer of their armies for the last many decades? Even more so noticeable when your sea based units are useless in the conflict, you planes are pretty much on land due to strong defences (and lack of proper pilots tbh) and all you have is the ground troops which surely have a much higher level of corruption.

But overall, when the strategy is absurdly wrong from the political perspective, there is very little that can be done in the field to correct it.

I have that question as well. How much of their talk is just talk?

The real question is, If they don't have the power in all the smaller ways, do they really have the nukes? If they have the nukes, but don't have the small stuff, they might have to use the nukes sooner rather than later.

So, we sit here wondering.

I'm relieved. 
If Russia claimed xy has been a success, it's usually the opposite.
Similar to their successful special operation going on in Ukraine...

Time to get moving and get on with World War.


Putin sails ship carrying lethal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles towards UK

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1719246/vladimir-putin-frigate-hypersonic-zircon-missiles-uk-war-game
One of Vladimir Putin's warships wielding "unstoppable" hypersonic Zircon missiles is playing war games as it heads towards the British Isles via the Norwegian Sea. A promotion on Russian state TV showed the frigate named Admiral Gorshkov "repelling a simulated enemy's air strikes" six days into its mission to scare the West.

March 9 Zircon missiles – the missiles on the boat – are one of the world's deadliest weapons and new to Putin's arsenal. They can travel at speeds of nearly 7000mph.

Russia first tested the weapon in 2020 and then again in 2022 and claimed the test was a success and had flown more than 600 miles at incredible speeds.
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I'm sure he values Zaluzhny's opinion greatly, but he might be more concerned that wagnerists called him "pidor". Technically his subordinates.


Great. Relevance?

And it will probably work for Russia, as well... especially now that Congress won't be voting any more money for Ukraine, and maybe will repeal the latest money they voted for her.

NATO in Serbia did nothing but wasted missiles on transformers, bridges, buses, hospitals etc for weeks...and it worked in the end

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

It seems that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny spoke well of Gerasimov, saying that "read all his books."

Russian general "Armageddon" Surovikin, who was supposed to turn the shitshow around but ended up giving up Kherson and wasting missiles on transformers, has been demoted from the position of the commander of the "special operation". The new commander is Valery Gerasimov (Chief of the General Staff), who seems to get a lot of hate in the Z-channels for alleged corruption and incompetence. I doubt this will improve anything for the Russian forces. Maybe Gerasimov will be the fall guy.

The American people need to wake up and change their banking system and government... before their government does the same things to them as it did to Ukraine.

Speaking of Clownashenkov, he seems to be contradicting the Z-hero himself, Putin's heir apparent, Wagner's hammerman Prigozhin. The latter claimed that wagnerists control Soledar, RF MOD says not yet, fight is ongoing. Ukrainian MOD says the same, so it's quite bizarre that Russia's chief liar might be telling the truth for once. Veleor will be happy.