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Next up - denazification. Did you all really believe that's what Putin meant? Pffft...

I see that this voluminous and categorically important topic has been raised again.
After all, the argument about the denazification of Ukraine is one of the main factors in the support of the Russian population, which increased even more after the publication of videos showing Ukrainian soldiers installing military equipment in residential areas, and Russian war prisoners being tortured.
This support for Putin was confirmed even by the Russian opposition.



Against the backdrop of current events, the rhetoric of some experts has intensified that Hitler's Nazism is only about anti-Semitism, and that the presence of Vladimir Zelensky, who is a Jew, in the presidential post in Ukraine, shatters Putin's argument about denazification.
However, if we turn to the origins, then according to the book of Adolf Hitler, his goals concerned not only the Jews. Hitler was going to take over the living space in the East and considered the Slavic peoples to be an inferior race. During the Second World War, millions of Soviet citizens were exterminated in the death camps, mostly Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. Consequently, Hitler's Nazism manifested itself not only in relation to the Jews, but also to the Slavs. Moreover, the authors of modern Ukrainian textbooks call Ukrainians one of the oldest agricultural civilizations and allegedly are "Slavicized Germans". At the same time, the Russians are supposedly not Slavs, and are of Finno-Ugric origin.
By the way, residents of Ukraine in social networks and on forums often call Russia - "Mordor", and Russians - "orcs". Judging by this logic, Ukrainians apparently consider themselves like elves or what?

Now we need to answer the question, was Putin's statement alone enough for Russian citizens to believe about the struggle of the Russian army against Nazism in Ukraine? Did ordinary Russian people have reason to believe that the modern Kyiv regime condones the spread of Nazi ideology, or, to be more precise, its offshoot in the form of Russophobia? Undoubtedly, there were such facts, and this was actively promoted by the ruling Ukrainian elite, which, in a decade and a half, was able to kindle the fire of Russophobia, unprecedented since the time of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (1942-1956).

1. In 2017, NBC News released a video about Ukrainian children's military camps, where kids were taught military training and Russophobic chants like "Death to the Muscovites!" and "Beat the Muscovites! Pile up the dead!"
2. There were other Russophobic chants from schoolchildren and young men, such as "Muscovite on a branch!" and "Muscovites on the knives!"
3. The torchlight processions in honor of the Nazi Stepan Bandera.
4. The names of the streets in honor of the SS division Galicia.
5. The neo-Nazi Azov battalion in the National Guard of Ukraine.
6. The positive attitude of President Zelensky and a large number of Ukrainians towards Stepan Bandera.
7. After 2014, the use of the Russian language In Ukraine was methodically limited at the legislative level. In May 2022, people who spoke Russian began to be beaten on the streets in Western Ukraine.

Before 2022, various Russophobic actions were widespread in Ukraine, under the guise of allegedly "trolling in the direction of the Kremlin propaganda".
Examples of such frenzied Russophobia in Ukraine, which they call "jokes". Links are given only to Ukrainian sources.
- Compote "Blood of Russian babies"
- Cake in the form of a baby, lying on the Russian tricolor
- "Colorado beetles in Odessa style, baked" (note: in 2014, 42 people who protested against the Maidan were burned alive in Odessa)
- "Separ in sour cream in the sauce of Russian-speaking babies" (the date on the banks 06.10.1942 apparently refers to an agreement on supplies from the USA to the USSR during World War II).
- "The last shelter of a separatist with the aroma of the Donetsk morgue". This is about predominantly Russian-speaking Donetsk, whose citizens the Kiev government has been bombing since 2014 and is still bombing. Ukraine from April 2014 to February 2022 is conducting a so-called anti-terrorist operation against residents of eastern Ukraine who protested against the illegal overthrow of the president and wanted to receive a special legal status within the country.



To those who say that this is just trolling and never Nazism - if you replaced the word "Russian" with "Jewish" or "African" in the name of these products, then the world society would instantly harshly criticize such "jokers". This is the most natural Nazism, no matter what words they try to cover it up with. And the fact that in Ukraine no one has been sued for this shows proving that these actions were encouraged at the highest levels. In fact, this is not trolling at all, but years of incited hatred broadcast in Ukraine against Russian-speaking people. It looks like a well-planned action to pit two neighboring peoples on ethnic and linguistic grounds. The purpose of these events is to introduce into the minds of Ukrainians literally a *cannibalistic rhetoric* that Russian and pro-Russian minded people are subhuman, whose deaths mean nothing. The consequences of such a policy can be seen in the way Ukrainian nationalists torturing Russian war prisoners and terrorized civilians in the eastern regions of Ukraine.

If someone sincerely believes that the incitement of an ethnic conflict in Ukraine against Russia is natural and only Russia is to blame for this, then these people most likely forgot that during the Cold War, the US Central Intelligence Agency didn't hesitate to cooperate with Ukrainian Nazis for subversive activities against the USSR. In 2014-2021, the Western media saw Ukrainian nationalists as a serious threat (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), but then this topic has been carefully muffled and it was called as Kremlin propaganda. And it looks very much like the current US government is following a 70-year-old pattern, taking advantage of nationalist groups in Ukraine.

- Cold War Allies: The origin of CIA's Relationship with Ukrainian Nationalists
- Background: The West collaborated with the Nazis to carry out the coup in Ukraine in 2014
- CIA‘s Use of Nazi Strategy on Ukrainian Right-Wing Nationalists Unabated since Cold War

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Thank Goodness the war is almost over. All those young men lost because the US wanted to push something that wouldn't work.


Mainstream Media Grudgingly Admits Truth: Ukraine War Is A Disaster



One by one, the US mainstream media outlets are lining up to (finally) let a bit of truth leak out after three months of incessant propaganda: Ukraine is being destroyed in the war. How many have unnecessarily died because the likes of Boris Johnson and Biden have prohibited a negotiated settlement? Also today, US/EU sanctions on Russia have backfired. Like always. Bonus: What was Ron Paul doing this weekend?


Mainstream Media Grudgingly Admits Truth: Ukraine War Is A Disaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkCddS3VYik



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It seems Russia doesn't care about Facebook videos at all and continues to advance,
despite all been dead from hunger, deserting, suiciding, not having gas, losing 200 tanks per day,
not to forget deadly ill Putin, who will be overthrown any moment, by angry russians because
their ruble is worth only $0.00000000000001 and falling

Kyiv attack was an intent to take the city, probably counting on treason and quick surrender. The casualties, which are quite confirmed and have nothing to do with the facebook videos show that there was a real attempt to take it. Had it been a strategy, they would have not sent so many troops to their deaths. The strategy did work in Kherson - the cities authorities did little to stop the Russian advance.

Russian soldiers are not suiciding, they are sent to their deaths for a minimal advance, even for territorial losses like the ones near Kherson (that is what happens when you send all your troops somewhere else).

Adolf Putin and his Reichstag Duma have approved a law allowing to call reservists above 40 years of age. Why do you think that happened Branko? Is it because he has so many young soldiers willing to join the army?

There are also images and video of T-62s sent to the front. This is a tank from the 70's. Do you think that is because all is going great?

People tend to identify Russia with the old USSR, but it is not, is just a nation that has inherited nuclear weapons and spends 11% of their GDP in the army and from now own will be treated as an enemy by many.

My guess is that right now the US does want Adolf Putin to take a couple of statelets because, honestly, NATO is not that keen in sharing a large border with him in such a conflictive area. But make no mistake, this war ends the moment the US decides it ends - exactly like the one you fought. The means they can send to Ukraine are way above anything that Russia can afford to field.
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It seems Russia doesn't care about Facebook videos at all and continues to advance,
despite all been dead from hunger, deserting, suiciding, not having gas, losing 200 tanks per day,
not to forget deadly ill Putin, who will be overthrown any moment, by angry russians because
their ruble is worth only $0.00000000000001 and falling

The question is "and then what?".
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When kids misbehave, good parents punish them. And bad parents indulge in childish pranks and raise bastards with a sense of their own impunity.

Good old days of stoneage, right?


Good ol' days of Christian upbringing.    Cool

Let the ungrateful "bastards" suffer. A little pain hasn't killed anyone!
Jesus suffered for our sins so they can kneel on peas for a while and think of what they've done!

You guys should get the parent of the year prize.

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Are you sure? And than what? Add Ukrainian territory to Russian Federation? I thought the goal of this "military operation" was to protect people of LNR and DNR, and to make Ukraine to accept them as an independent republics.
If their goal is to protect these self proclaimed states and not occupy territory of Ukraine, why did occupied Kherson, part of Zaporishia oblast, why they bombing Odessa or why they tried to took Kiev?

What is actually not true, again. Fights for city is still going on.
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It seems Russia doesn't care about Facebook videos at all and continues to advance,
despite all been dead from hunger, deserting, suiciding, not having gas, losing 200 tanks per day,
not to forget deadly ill Putin, who will be overthrown any moment, by angry russians because
their ruble is worth only $0.00000000000001 and falling
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Severodonetsk taken.

After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities.

Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness."

How is that May 9th, 2022 victory parade in Kyiv going for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38IE_bm6sk

It was great stratagem by Russians...so great that you're still convinced  Grin

LOL, great plan.

https://www.facebook.com/navy.mil.gov.ua/videos/449757700230135
legendary
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When kids misbehave, good parents punish them. And bad parents indulge in childish pranks and raise bastards with a sense of their own impunity.

Good old days of stoneage, right?


Good ol' days of Christian upbringing.    Cool
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When kids misbehave, good parents punish them. And bad parents indulge in childish pranks and raise bastards with a sense of their own impunity.

Good old days of stoneage, right?
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It was great stratagem by Russians...so great that you're still convinced  Grin

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Next up - denazification. Did you all really believe that's what Putin meant? Pffft...

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Severodonetsk taken.

After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities.

Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness."

How is that May 9th, 2022 victory parade in Kyiv going for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38IE_bm6sk

It was great stratagem by Russians...so great that you're still convinced  Grin
legendary
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Severodonetsk taken.

After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities.

Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness."

How is that May 9th, 2022 victory parade in Kyiv going for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38IE_bm6sk
legendary
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Do not die for Putin
Severodonetsk taken.

After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities.

Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness."

Funny that you mention this...

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... we will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine and put to justice ...
- Adolf Putin.
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Their goal was to take Ukraine.

Are you sure? And than what? Add Ukrainian territory to Russian Federation? I thought the goal of this "military operation" was to protect people of LNR and DNR, and to make Ukraine to accept them as an independent republics.

I have stopped following war news, also, my local press media stopped making online reports. I just find Ukraine war related topics. My media is filled with economic crisis more, than with war. This means that according to our press, people are not interested in war anymore, but rather interested in solving future financial problems. It might sound sad, but to me this looks like Ukraine is loosing, this means that support is about to end. People showed their usual selfishness.
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Severodonetsk taken.

After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities.

Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness."
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Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?

Remember back when Russia invaded all of Ukraine and tried to "decapitate the government"?  

Remember how everyone, including Western media and most or all posters in this thread, including myself thought it would not take long for Russia to accomplish their objectives?

Remember how, after failing to take the capital quickly, they spent weeks trying to encircle Kyiv?  

Remember how you thought they were intentionally not completely surrounding it to allow civilians to leave and "all who remained and did not lay down their weapons would be destroyed" and "it would be foolish to think otherwise"?

Remember how you were sure there would be a parade in Russian controlled Kyiv on victory day?

Remember how during all of this, Putin made a new law making it illegal to even call the war a war, because that would imply Ukraine posed some sort of threat to Russian soldiers?

Remember what happened after all that?  How Russia had to retreat, the flag ship of the Russian Navy was sunk, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers were killed, and even Russian bloggers imbedded with the military that normally relay the State approved propaganda began criticizing the stupid decisions being made by those in charge?

I think that's what he means.

I still do not understand.

Their goal was to take Ukraine.

They tried, and failed at the cost of displacing millions and killing thousands of innocent people as well as uniting most of the world against them.  Not to mention, there's a very real possibility that Finland and Sweden will be joining Nato as a direct response to Putins careless behavior.  But the biggest loss for Russia is the fact that the world has realized that the Russian military is not as powerful as everyone thought.  Putin could have held on to that card for a long time, forever really.  But instead, he decided to play it - without any benefit for him or the Russian people.
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Do not die for Putin
There is no winning strategy for Putin. And time works against him - he doesn't have the manufacturing capacity to make new tanks, missiles etc at the rate he's expending them.
Russia has this shoe polish for ten Ukraine in store. Grin
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I hope you can put a coat of paint on the dead. Dam... only if those T-62 had the Tesla self-driving.


Adolf Putin is doing so great that all young Russians are flocking to join the army to gloriously die for his delirium. In his mighty wisdom he has decided that is unfair that people that have already served and are well-past their young days stay at home and now is going to force them given them the chance to die for him too.

You can also read this on TASS

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-lawmakers-vote-scrap-upper-age-limit-military-2022-05-25/

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May 25 (Reuters) - Russia's parliament approved a law on Wednesday in double-quick time removing the upper age limit for contractual service in the military, amid heavy casualties in Ukraine.

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he bill now needs only the signature of President Vladimir Putin to become law.

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Currently, only Russians aged 18-40 and foreigners aged 18-30 can enlist as professional soldiers in the Russian military.

And, at the same time, the Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales dare to say publicly that the losses have been:

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The defence ministry said on March 25 that 1,351 Russian service personnel had been killed and 3,825 wounded since Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine on Feb. 24. It has not updated its casualty figures since.

It takes a really strong stomach to be able to digest so much shit. Do not die for Putin, even if you are above 40 you have better things to do in life.

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The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. ...

That would just induce Russia to take an extra '60 to 70 km' out of Ukraine which, by all indications, was never really in their plans.  They said they were going to solve the issue of the Eastern civilians getting shelled, and they pretty much say what the mean and mean what they say so it seems.



As of now, they seem pretty much unable to take 20.

Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?

That Aldolf Putin's Russia is going to become a very difficult place to live in in the next few years irrespective of the outcome of the war. Diplomacy, commerce, borders and perception have been damaged for decades.


Russia is being exposed as weak militarily. It still has a stockpile of nukes, but is vulnerable to invasion/attack.
Does anyone in the world feel the strength to attack weak defenseless Russia? ...

No need to. This was has shown how a determined country which in theory had an inferior army can stop and, to a point, make Adolf Putin look like a stupid. He has based all his influence around Russia in the concept of having a large, technologically advanced and capable army.

This ability to influence by force and threat is now severely diminished and US is going to make sure that sanctions prevent any rebuild.
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