Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 221. (Read 73721 times)

Rumor has it (via Girkin-Strelkov, the KGBist who incited the whole Donbas shitshow in 2014) that the first act of the "new" Russian Federation authorities in the town of Svatove was to order "self-evacuation". Apparently the town is next to fall in the Kharkov-Lugansk Ukrainian counteroffensive area. The fake RF is shrinking, perhaps due to cold weather.


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You are making that mistake again: one or even a few people in a party demanding one thing isn’t the party line at all.  
If you think AfD has been of one and the same opinion in 2013, you are misguided. Even the fascist Bernd Höcke has been into AfD in 2013. But politicians demanding to break away from the EU / supporting far right propaganda were a minority back then and their opinions weren’t the party line back then. The party line in 2013 was to reform the EU, not leave it. 
The party line later shifted to abolish the EU, but that wasn’t the party line in 2013.
In addition: Eurosceptic ≠ Break away from the EU
Eurosceptic: sceptical of how Euro is managed by ECB, sceptical how the European Parliament is making politics, sceptical how Germany was paying money to Italy / Greece....
Things are much more nuanced than in your limited world view.

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Exactly, 2019, the party line was to abolish the EU.
2013 ≠ 2019

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First thing: it's a general comment on critical NATO infrastructure of its 30 member nations.
Second thing: attacking NATO infrastructure should not be accepted at all and it doesn't matter if it's obsolete soon or newly build (or both  ).

All well-rehearsed Kremlin bullet points, except most people in Germany don't fall for that BS and tend to think increasingly more like 1miau, who happens to be from Germany, I mean what a shocking turn of events this is not.



(the poll question is "should we support Ukraine despite rising energy costs")


Still not getting how the whole freedom of speech / democracy thing works, are you? Hint: in normal non-Putin countries people, even MEPs, often have differing opinions, make stupid jokes, or could simply be wrong.

https://www.electrospaces.net/2021/01/the-phones-in-president-bidens-oval.html

I've been clearly spending too much time on the pro-Kremlin telegram channels, reading amazing stories from so-called voyenkors ("military reporters") and other putinists, and starting to notice a substantial shift recently in how they talk about the war. Early on obviously they were all optimistic and dismissive of Ukrainian resistance. Then came retreat from Kyiv and sinking of the flagship so there was some snarky grumbling but mostly it was still very positive. Now after the defeat near Kharkiv and mobilization failures there is something previously almost unheard of - direct criticism of military command (even Kadyrov joined in and called out some generals by name), admission of utter dysfunction and corruption in the armed forces and the need for (and improbability of) a comprehensive reform, and even discussions about the very slight possibility of defeat in the war (and yes, calling it a "war" and not "special operation" quite often too).

Obviously their conclusions - keep in mind that these are still diehard imperialists who don't think Ukraine has a right to exist - are still as irrational as ever, but the change in tone is quite remarkable. I think Putin has achieved the impossible and made even the most committed nutjobs doubt the whole shitshow.

Anyway, I won't bore you with the whole cringy "how could this possibly happen to the 2nd best army in the world" brawl. Just a few examples of ridiculous "solutions" they're coming up with. Textbook definition of insanity.

Gotta start everything over, this time it will be different:


7 months into the war they're figuring out defense and motivation:


Of course the naivete still exists, they still believe that Putin is not fighting with full force, so just needs to be asked nicely to step it up:


But let's give them a few more months and I think they'll be discussing the amount of reparations and how to negotiate a shorter prison sentence.

Yes, and they communicate with super advanced technology, including push button telephone, I admit that it's more advanced than rotary dial telephone. Check the right corner on the image.


Also, his partner countries are so developed, all of his partner countries are free from corruption, free from nepotism with high quality of life, high safety index, etc.

This is the moment when I partially agree with you. I don't know what makes USA to think that Russia won't use nukes. Putin was able to fuck with all local billionaires and businessmen and wage the war and he succeed, the ones who resisted, were "found" dead.
I hope not only Putin but everyone near him, including businessmen and people who want chill life, understand that their life will end even if they agree with Putin and it doesn't worth for Putin's goals.

Interesting, strategic economic blueprint of Russia:

1. collabs
2. collapse

Stage 2 is currently in the "colla" phase.
Either Russia is going to do something very clever (give in to the "West") or something very stupid. I'm biased by history, but i wonder if they can finally get something right for their nation.  

be.open not being drawn in because he's already serving the cybertroll army of mama RU.

EDIT: And don't forget to look at how well RU has fought this war already!

Putin's goals:

"De-Nazify" Ukraine: Failed
"Liberate" East Ukraine: Failing
Avoid general mobilisation: Failed
Divide the EU: Failed
Protect RU economical interests: Failed

The "Great Russian Army", a bunch of hungry retards who will die, desert, retreat or capitulate in the face of enemy fire.
Well, sane, normal people don't want to fight and die. They are currently forced to. This war is national murder and makes no sense. The great Nazi conspiracy spin of nationalist Russia will collapse, millions of people dreaming of a menaingful life will suffer for the great lunacy of their "leaders" (blenders).

Another expensive, brutal, inhuman fail.
Licking Xi's boots will likely be the biggest win.

I'm not a fanboy of any other regime, though. It's just that RU currently tries to become shithole regime no.1 of the modern world.

As a German I can tell you that you are indeed the sort of guy where 1 random article from the internet is enough to make up your opinion.  
Things are very easy in the world of Putin apologists like you - no surprise.  

The AfD from 2022 has (almost) nothing to do with AfD from 2013 (only the name). AfD started as a party criticizing many "poorer" EU countries (Italy, Greece) which got a lot of money from Germany via EU and because Germany paid that, AfD wanted to stop money transfers to them because in AfD 2013's opinion these countries were "lazy".
The AfD from 2013 didn't want to leave EU - never! They wanted to bring reforms to EU and some advocated for a revival of Deutsche Mark - Germans currency before Euro was launched.
Their main topic were economics. Most of their leaders were educated and sane back in 2013.

In 2015, AfD selected a new leader while during 2015, the right wing of AfD gained massive traction and the right wing achieved a coup against the founder of AfD - he was ousted and in a hot battle, he left the party. He was replaced by Frauke Petry, a moderate right wing politician and when the immigration crisis 2015 came up, AfD shifted their agenda from their former topic (economics) to immigration - advocating to deny most immigrants and throw them out of Germany.
Some years later, in 2017, Frauke Petry also faced a coup from the right wing of the right wing (nationalists) and the nationalists won - the party shiftet further right.
There was a third shift even further right in 2019 / 2020, when the fascist right took over the important lead over the Eastern-German parts of the party, where Bernd Höcke, a fascist, is so strong.

In its history, the party has only become more radical every few years.

Almost all people who founded AfD in 2013 have now left the party or were thrown out by the fascist right, whose leader Bernd Höcke is.
There are almost no sane people left in this party...

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And no, I have to disappoint you, neither Germany nor USA/Poland nor Ukraine blow up NordStream 2, but Putin has clear motives to blow it up.

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

You are delusional, same as Putin.  
Your dumb takes are embarassing.  

Sure, it leaves one wondering why people do not flock to the recruitment offices -  but rather they try to burn them. I think that the Psychos got the price wrong, no decent RF wife would sell his dear husband for less than 8 million rubles.

But it certainly inspires me a business: Match-a-slave. Basically, women from around the world can see soldiers on-line, with info of where are they mobilised and AI information about the possibility of them being killed. They chose one (or many?) and get married on-line. Then is just a question of waiting for them to be HIMARSed, or burn alive in their tanks.

Easy money duh??


Do not forget to get married first.

Fat chance of you going even near a front line. You are a psycho, you like others being killed and you like to boast about how great is to kill others to steal their land and their future -  but that always comes with the internal fear of someone doing it to you. Certainly you will not ever volunteer.

Surprisingly they don't ask "what happened to the supposedly professional contractor forces that were fighting before us" and just go to the meat grinder. Well, except those that bailed to Mongolia et al.

Maybe this can explain it:


It's good business by Russian standards. 7 million rubles (~120k USD) to the widow if the newlywed gets killed in Ukraine.

Basically the RF Psychos last and final bet is nothing but a SLAVE ARMY, fighting only for fear of what their government may do to them of their families if they decide not to fight. Old reservists that know so well the deplorable morale and the inhumane treatment they will get under the Psychos that will be doing anything in their power to avoid fighting and will use any excuse to retreat.

My suggestions:

- Sorry officer, I do not know where that fuel went missing.
- Sorry officer, this truck does not start and somehow we cant find the sugar packets we had right here.
- Tank? What tank sir?
- Oh, sorry, I only had one week of training, what do you say I have to do with this WW I rifle?

Do you think slaves fight well? They don't, an less if they do not have logistics and need to forage around for food.

I see, this is the same user that was speaking of massive impulse and front collapse when the Orcs were taking a few scattered villages around and now is saying that Ukraine is "not ready for winter" and "fresh reserves" - AKA Slave Soldiers, AKA Tactical Cannon Fodder will miraculously do something different to what has been done before.


Adolf Putin is surrounded with potential next Adolf Putins. As of now, he is barely in control of the secret service and pretty much in the hands of the military. It is a problem that he has little to loose by dying in a last blast of "glory", but hopefully someone will kill him before that.

The scenarios being considered are not around the ICBMs, which guarantee that nobody wins anything, but rather about the nearly 2000 nuclear tactical projectiles of different kinds that the RF holds. The US has a few over 200, as it has been long since they decided that is much cleaner, effective and efficient to use other conventional weapons.

Please notice that "effective" and "efficient" in this context means that they can blast expensive and critical target with precision and certainty.

Putin isn't alone. He has loads of counselors who bring up ideas and who work to combine these ideas into different scenarios. The west is similar with their leaders.

Much of what is discussed has to do with what it might take to get somebody to use nukes, and how far they can be pushed before they DO use nukes.

We don't know the discussions going on about this whole thing. But the US and its allies seem to think that Russia won't use nukes. Why? Nobody knows, but there must be a reason why the US thinks it can continue to provoke Russia without getting nuked.

Or is that what the US wants... the Nukes to fly?

From "May 9 parade in Kyiv" to "loss of pace of the Kharkov counteroffensive" is a bit of a downgrade, isn't it? What's next, "Donetsk is not a big deal, it's a shitty city with no water, we still have Belgorod", and "Ukrainians are really screwed once we retreat behind the Urals, they'll freeze in the mountains chasing us".

Might be a bit difficult for the glorious Drunken Partially Mobilized Forces of Russia to survive the winter naked.


Gotta love the eternal optimism even when reporting this kind of news... "gone missing" LOL as if they can be found.

I have a dilemma - I do not want to shave, and with a beard I will become too conspicuous a target for snipers. There is an option to get to the front through the Special Forces University in Grozny, where almost everyone is bearded. While I'm considering the possibility of participating in the Ukrainian safari, but my assault backpack is already packed. If I stop writing on the forum for a long time, then I'm already much closer to you than you think.

Now, please return the courtesy - why are you yourself not yet at the front, after the eighth wave of mobilization in Ukraine?

@be.open
@DaRude

I'm just wondering, how do you guys feel since the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia? Will we see you in the front lines? Can you two update us here?

Oh, wait, paparazzis everywhere Someone caught you [Source]

December is only 2 months away, if the political will to buy RU gas will build up come winter but now Germany will be forced to buy RU gas through Ukraine, will you admit then that you were wrong in your assessment and that it definitely would've been much easier if Germany could arrange for deliveries through NS directly without involving UA?

But then again your covered yourself nicely with assertion of RU acting in irrational manner. That's a nice cover to literally explain any and all possible actions that disadvantage RU as doing of RU itself. i.e. Look they just started to blow up their own subs, and destroy their own gas refineries, told you they were acting irrationally, that's just how their think tanks political/social/economic/research institutes work don't try to think and just believe me  

Some reading from 2021 for some context The German government offered the Trump administration financial support of up to €1 billion ($1.21 billion) in a bid to prevent Washington from imposing sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline

The capture of Lyman is a Pyrrhic victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Two weeks of unsuccessful attempts to close the boiler, huge losses of manpower and armored vehicles, the weakening of the Soledar direction due to the transfer of reserves and the general loss of pace of the Kharkov counteroffensive. And on the nose is winter, for which Ukraine is not at all ready, soon the leaves will fall from the trees, Russia will begin to receive fresh reserves from the mobilized. But for now, rejoice - Lyman is yours.

Can't be good for morale to retreat from a city you just "annexed" the day before.

That's not usually how annexing works.

Also now, in Putins alternate reality, Russia is now being occupied by Nazis.  How long can he "allow" that to happen before even the most brainwashed (whatever it is they call boomer generation in Russia) start to realize reality is much different than they previously believed?

We all have the right to express ourselves freely. And you are doing so right now in this forum. However, every man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins.
Freedom of speech does not include invoking violence and terrorism.