Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 223. (Read 77449 times)

Can we stop pretending that instead of protecting its members NATO countries signed up to start a nuclear Armageddon for any tactical nuclear blast in any country around the globe? I realize that that's what UA has been desperately asking for but literally no NATO general or leader of ANY NATO country agreed to anything close to that. That's not how article 5 works

RU nuke attack in UA != RU nuke attack on NATO

Edit: I'm not saying RU should nuke UA, and i'm against all nuke attacks, but distinction must be made


It would be very helpful if you'd educate yourself on a subject before commenting. Or you should let Z know that they need to stop asking for tanks as their highest priority. Because Putin is not bluffing about retaliating with a nuke


Sure, technically he can also decide just to gift Crimea to UA again on Z's birthday, and many other things, by why would he? I understand that propaganda would like everyone to think that RU can just turn around, drink some tea at home and everything goes back to normal, but everyone realizes that backing out would mean dissolution of RU as we know it, there is no off ramp for Russia on this. That's why mobilization and talks about nukes, that's what an existential threat means, RU has no choice but stand till the end on this one way or the other), hypothetically even if for some reason Putin goes mad and decides just to say sorry and turn the troops around, as was discussed previously, chances are there would be a military coup and a military general or a communist take over that same day. The illusion that there's some opposition in Russia that is anti-war, green, liberal, and EU loving second in line waiting to jump in, is just that, an illusion. Now Biden on the other hand, can deescalate any time he wants (lack of new significant military commitments is an indication to me that he already started)


RU is just going through it's first partial mobilization but sure i have no problem admitting that RU's regular military force was not enough to counter all of NATO's military equipment that's depleting US & EU stock with pretty much fully mobilized Ukraine


We seem to be in between the denial and anger stages now. As things get more desperate for UA their attack will completely stall before reversing within a month or so. We'll enter the anger stage with more pointless attacks inside RU and more and more radical statements (about preemptive nukes, someone providing MAD assurances to UA etc...) and straight up radical accusations from Z and his team towards the west. If by January UA is still taking land from RU I'll fully agree that my assessment was wrong

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Yes, i'm aware. It's quiet natural to go after the supply lines of the opponent and it would be dumb not to, but the problem is when attacks continue on a nuclear power plant even after RU took over the territory and was forced to shut all 6 reactors of the nuclear power plant. Guess propaganda logic dictates that's what just Orcs do, attack their own disabled power plant risking nuclear contamination of their own land now? And all of the gloating and instigation about nuclear retaliation on Putins birthday (for still functioning bridge) just don't seem right (don't have to go too far even in this thread)

Burial of the civilian population (video not for the faint of heart). 

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Whose infantry is involved exactly?

That's how terrorist state react to Crimea bridge explosion. Yes, several civilians were killed there, but such things happens every day in Ukraine, and at much bigger scale. We don't even know exaclty what's happening in occupied cities. I'm afraid that with more cities getting deocupied we will see much more terrible things than we saw in Bucha, Izyum and other cities.

Yeah, it's useful PR tool for Russia. Now they can justify hitting civilian infrastructures like apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and etc like it was military object, base of Azov nationalists or secret biological weapons lab.

Russian forces = BRICS and a few others. US forces = NATO minus some of them.

I've always wondered about these "allied forces" constantly mentioned, who they are. I mean, did we miss the moment when the Armenians entered the war? Iranians? The Pope with Mask? BADecker with Branko? Who are these forces?

Hope you are happy in Moscow. Lol.     

As the bridge to Crimea partially opens a wave of patriotism emerges as thousands of cars queue up for hours. These patriots are going from Crimea to Moscow, to show how one can fight remotely (probably they are thinking of using Microsoft Teams) and still be a true believer in victory. Literally, I just saw a video of people fleeing Crimea declaring "I am going to Moscow to wait for victory there."

Repeat with me ... "I am safe in Putin's RF" ...

I'm glad I have a car. If there were a war zone here, I could drive away. Other people could walk in the seven months since this war started.

I like the convenience of modern living. But the convenience of modern warfare is kinda dangerous. So, I'd be moving.

The people in those pictures two posts up, should move to where it is safe... Russia.



EDIT: The insurance companies on those buildings will probably get out of it by calling it an act of God.

Not saying that it is a case here, but previously Amnesty International accused Ukraine of using
schools, kindergartens and hospitals as military objects, so they can accuse Russia if they strike
back...seems like useful PR tool

   
http://1news.zp.ua/ru/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-posledstvij-nochnyh-raketnyh-udarov-po-zaporozhyu-foto/

This is a residential building destroyed by russian missiles in Zaporozhye. So far, 13 people have died and about 100 have been injured.
The blow was purposefully delivered to the objects of the housing stock, houses of the private sector were damaged.
There are no military facilities there.
The cowardly and vile russian army knows how to fight only with civilians.
russia is a country of pus, a country of terrorists.
And those who support russia are accomplices of terrorists, punishment will be inevitable.

I looked.  You basically have just been parroting back the kremlin line - although sometimes a with a lag of a few weeks.

You went from "the whole thing is fake bc the media"  (When Putin was denying he had any plans to invade, he said the same thing....you just kept saying it after he invaded) + "vaccines!"

to

"the whole thing is orchestrated with a predetermined outcome"

to

Russian Flag over your bed + "Russia didn't lose any battle for kiev, everything is going according to plan" + some anti-Semitic garbage + "Putin is a straight shooter, the only leader not part of (whatever you call the big conspiracy that exists only in your mind)" + more anti-Semitic stuff

And now, you seem to have missed the part where even Putin has admitted things aren't going according to plan, because you're still spreading that now out of date propaganda.  Just like when you were saying there was no invasion.

Globalists Upset That StarLink Goes Down In Ukraine after Calling Elon Hitler
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NaNMSNTtTBbm/

Why would nuclear launch site strikes even mean that Russia cannot use nukes anymore? Both Russia and US have nukes and launch systems moving around secretly and swiftly. And anyway nukes is a suicide button that cannot be unpressed. At this point, I do not even care anymore since neither country is dumb enough or desperate enough to light up the world over some land. Thats what the world leaders think to themselves, I would bet. Still, playing with fire like this is dangerous and needs to be stopped before something happens that everyone regrets.

What are you talking about.  You know Russia literally invaded and is occupying parts of Ukraine right now, right? This is what happens when one country invades another country on it's border and attempts long term occupation despite failing to conquer the other countries military or being capable of both occupying the other country and defending it's own infrastructure.  Shit starts blowing up on both sides of the border.

And anyone  that is genuinely outraged that Ukraine would behave this way, or feels like Russia is in any way the innocent victim is delusional.

What happens is that Russians start retreating. 200+ tanks have already been sent from the EU and NATO to Ukraine so it's not a hypothetical question like you're trying to make it sound.


Putin can deescalate any time he wants. Until then nothing is being dropped.


Funny how you kremlinists fantasize about nukes and yet are looking for ways to blame the other side for it. Just admit it that the conventional war is lost and get out of there while you can still save your country. Nuking Ukraine (and Russia in the process) is not going to win the war.


Blowing up Russian supply lines is an important ongoing project for Ukrainian military and unlikely to have anything to do with desperation or some nuclear fantasies. But there is no Biden speech and no tweets from Polish politicians on the subject so your standards of proof are slipping. Are you sure the truck wasn't carrying sugar from Ryazan?

I would need a few clear verifiable sources to believe  that Zelensky is asking from preventive strikes or for that matter, anything that means using or attacking  with or to nuclear weapons or the systems that enable a nuclear response.  In a nuclear war there is no winner. The first strike is guaranteed to be followed by a response (it could even not be a nuke, but certainly proportional and devastating)... and from there nobody knows.

A different thing is asking about readiness in case Putin and the Psychos think they have nothing to loose and recur to a tactical nuke or a limited nuclear mid range cruise.

RE bridge of Crimea, in my understanding it simply means that the US and possibly allies have made clear that they can also destroy expensive and critical infrastructure "outside-ish RF territory" as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

On the tactical side, that bridge down means that it will be slightly more difficult to reinforce or trade with Crimea and more expensive to maintain it as RF controlled territory.

Oh, by the way, the orc slaves seem to be having patriotism issues with the Rodina. They insist on eating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWLYcfRC0jE

Take it you don't read the stuff you yourself quote either?


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On a bright side all the nuclear talk means we're reaching the pinnacle of this conflict. Believe most agree that this is an existential threat for Russia and Biden's Armageddon speech as well as Z himself claiming that Russia isn't bluffing on using tactical nukes means that positions are clear and everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA. We went through RU partial mobilization and taking UA territories, and luckily no commitment to send tanks (they announced a weak military aid package with 18 new HIMARS which everyone realizes is not enough to counter, but even that came with the caveat The highly-prized HIMARS artillery system in the US’s latest $1.1 billion security assistance package for Ukraine will take a few years to be built, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.). To no ones surprise we're reaching the culmination of this conflict, and no one seems to want a nuclear war over this. This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin. Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/21/kyiv-urges-west-to-spell-out-how-it-would-respond-to-russian-nuclear-strike

I believe he got his answer, UA attempt to fast-track to NATO was shut down with “not the right time” so no article 5. This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply.

Today morning I haven't checked news and when my father told me that Crimea bridge got destroyed, I thought that he is joking. But damn, that was nice birthday gift and fireworks for Putin.
Now I remember words of drunk clown Dimon Medvedev about judgement day if Ukraine will attack Crimea. Or nothing didn't happened again?
This attack tells a lot about quality of Crimea bridge. Look at Antonivka bridge in Kherson. Ukraine bombing it with HIMARS for few months. It got damaged significantly, but it's still standing. While after one big explosion, part of Crimea bridge decided to leave Russian Federation and join Black Sea. I'm wondering how much money were stolen when they were building this bridge.

Nice take, but pretty much dead wrong.  I have an unusual amount 'power and control' over my own life (thanks to Bitcoin.)  If you look at my predictions for Russian in Ukraine at the start of this thing, you'll find that I was about the only one (worldwide) who nailed it about what the Rooskies probably wanted and what they would probably do.  I seek mainly to give people an alternate view of what they hear from the 'experts' for the benefit of those who can make some use of it.  Morons make up their own wild fantasies about what the Rooskies want, and then when it doesn't happen they claim it was a failure.  People who listened to the alternate viewpoint (mine) won't have to spin their wheels with such fantasies...but then they miss out on some warm fuzzy feelings on account of their false 'wins' as well I suppose.

America is not really even the America I grew up in, and has become exponentially more evil and has exponentially fewer 'saving graces'.  It makes no sense to fight for a country which has been decapitated and the head replace with little red people with pointed tails (or tiny hats as the case may be.)  That is equally true for the U.S. and Ukraine.  How anyone could sacrifed so much as a toe-nail for either Biden or Zelenski is beyond me.  Russia seems to be generally improving (since Yeltsin) while the U.S. is in free-fall.  That's why I tend to favor Russia generally.  They also don't lie as much and I hate liars.  I never gave two fucks about sports teams and the like.  I'm one of those people who is just wired that way.  I base my preferences on unbiased analysis, or try to, and again it's natural for me.

I took a healthy dose of red-pilling when I was a participant (wearing an American uniform) in Iraq-I.  Within a few days of 9/11 I could see it was a hoax, so of course I was vehemently opposed to the occupations.  I was already familiar with Rumsfeld and Cheney's games from the Bush-I timeframe and they were not fooling me with their bullshit.

I'll be happy when it ends simply because it's largely the wrong people who are being killed on both sides.  Hopefully it evolves into, or promulgates, a world-wide situation where the right people are getting killed.  They richly deserve it and until it does start to go that direction the plebs all around the world will be feeling increasingly dead or enslaved.  Won't likely happen until the 'vax' depopulation really gets rolling though.  Hopefully after that there will be a window of opportunity.