Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 223. (Read 73721 times)

Since it was the US that probably did the destruction, what they are doing is showing Germany that they better not make deals with Russia or something worse might happen.

Imagine if the other NATO countries in the area suddenly started a war with Germany, simply for Germany calling off its Russia sanctions.

Except that "UA attacks" is likely bullshit. For example Russian MOD showed a propaganda video where they bombed a pylon of an abandoned WWII bridge on the Dnieper and claimed it was a Ukrainian boat or barge or whatever.

As for "handing it over"... it's a Ukrainian power plant. There is no reason whatsoever for Russia to hold it hostage, other than terrorism. Not dissimilar to holding a school full of kids.


Not sure why I need to pick one of your straw people. Russia is well known for its resource blackmail. How about you pick a lane and call things their real names, not "special operation" or "it's actually a good thing but the US did worse so it's ok if it's a bad thing".


The pipeline hasn't disappeared. It can and likely will be fixed and Kremlin will surely be extremely gleeful about it.

Yep, military exercises were held this summer in this area of ​​the Baltic Sea with the participation of deep-sea divers and underwater drones, I think that was when explosives were planted under gas pipelines.

It is Putin's payback for Germany nationalizing his refineries.

Interesting theory I reckon, the US being the one blowing up the gas pipe to ensure that Germany does not use it. However it does not make sense, since they anyway have Nord Stream I which is already shut off. If Germany / EU would want RF gas, they can still get it. Following the argument, the NS I goes through Ukraine, but Ukraine would not interrupt these due to risk of EU becoming less friendly.

 Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

Not gonna lie...  This latest attack via the Nord Stream Pipeline is a bit concerning.  I'm worried that we might be starting a world war and becoming environmental terrorists all at once.  It's hard to believe this could happen in today's world, but here we are.  From tweets by politicians we can see that the United States is being called the orchestrator of this attack and it appears some of our European allies are not happy about it.  I'm really concerned about how much damage the current administration in the US is going to cause over the next two years.

The only moron here, who defends a genocidal man who threatens to use atomic bombs and start a nuclear war is you.

Clown.

We'll see. So far, it looks more like Russia is increasing its military grouping in Ukraine by at least 2.5 times, due to the mobilization of reservists with military service experience.

Meanwhile, the referenda took place and their result was quite predictable. A special military operation may soon be transformed into an ordinary anti-terrorist operation.

You sir are an idiot (or, hopefully, just a UA troll trying to suck the world into a nuclear war, which is at least understandable). In case it's the former, Medvedev is war mongering, his argument is pretty much if US/EU escalates this further and sends thousands of M1 Abrams and other tanks rolling into "new" Russian territory, RU will defend itself with nuclear weapons. Which was pretty obvious to everyone even Zelenskyy says he doesn't think Putin is 'bluffing' over nuclear threats (which completely baffles me, please send us tanks but he's totally serious and will nuke us next? Shouldn't he be saying completely opposite, Putin is bluffing please send us tanks you'll be fine, it totally WON'T trigger WW3? can someone explain this one to me ). You, on the other hand, claiming NATO members would have negative radiation effects thus lets turn this into planetary catastrophe is beyond moronic. I can safely speak for the rest of the world, that we all are very glad that it's not up to you, we've been through this before and would very much like to live through this and through all of the following nuclear stand offs, and if you want to die feel free to do so on your own, non of us want to be dragged in with you!
 

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If you can't bear responsibility of UA attacks on a nuclear power plant you can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. Love it! Absolutely perfect logic, nothing more needs to be added!

Your kindergarten propaganda is tiresome. Pick one, either, US leveraging it's alliance and status of its dollar as a global reserve currency to apply pressure everywhere, and Russia is leveraging it's resources, OR US is blackmailing with its alliance, finances, technological dominance etc etc etc and Russia is blackmailing with its resources. I'm fine with either, but you can mix them up for a cheap propaganda shot.

The reason RU cannot "blackmail" UK or say Australia is because it doesn't have a pipeline to them, do you now see how having a pipeline in the first place is kind of important to the whole "blackmailing" part. No pipeline, no more "blackmailing", with which I believe you uncovered the whole point here, good job!

You seem to be very unsure as to what you're talking about, so many questions...


Logic being that they had the city surrounded and in control of all roads out of it.


Again, Russian forces are in control of it. If they don't want or can't bear that responsibility they can hand it over to Ukraine or some sort of international control. It's a civilian object useless for military purposes unless the military purpose is nuclear blackmail.


Funny how you pretend like this is something new (unless you've been in a cave the last 20-30 years and it is indeed new to you). Russians have been using gas and oil for blackmail for decades. Mostly against smaller countries like the Baltic states so it wasn't as newsworthy until they hit Germany.

I'm starting to get fed up with the nuclear threat:

Medvedev raises spectre of Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine

If it were up to me, I would be prepared to launch a massive nuclear counterattack the moment Russia drops a single atomic bomb on Ukraine.

Ex-CIA officer says Putin is 'completely cornered' and the chances of his using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine are increasing 'by the day'

Since the negative radiation effects would affect neighboring NATO member countries, I would consider the attack as triggering Article 5.

Surely this would end in a planetary catastrophe, but you can't live your whole life under the threat of a bully without reacting. I'd rather die with dignity than live on my knees.

Oh Yanukovych just resigned now did he? Is that how Ukrainian school books are being rewritten now, were the other alternatives "he just left on a very long vacation" and "he went out to get a pack of cigs"?

Everything was fine, Yanukovych resigned to pick up a pack of smokes and then Russian orcs showed up? No one could possibly predicted that majority that elected him could be a bit unhappy about that.
 
Just like i guess it must take some kind of a genius to predict that further escalations risk to destabilize EU altogether?

EUs 3rd economy becoming "euroskeptic" with "neo-fascist" roots, people might start asking questions soon, think majority would eat up that Putin did it as well? I guess US elections in November already have Putin written all over them?

If i may quote myself from May


Euro is now bellow parity hit $0,96 today, and GBP is about to hit parity, got down to $1,0373 the other day. So now USD is up over 30% against GBP since U.S. delivers written response to Russian demands amid Ukraine crisis...as Washington continues to pursue diplomacy aimed at diverting a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. yes diplomacy at its best indeed.

So at first there was a claim that RU is not allowing civilians to leave Mariupol before they take the city, logic being cause that's just what Orcs do  

Then it gets better after claiming the following:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/14/ukraine-targets-russian-soldiers-threatening-nuclear-power-plant.html

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/06/world/ukraine-russia-war

And of course
https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/russia-endangers-the-whole-world-with-strike-on-nuclear-power-plant-in-ukraine/

Logic being because that's just what Orcs do? They take over a nuclear plant then shoot at it so they're forced to shut it down before winter starts


And just in case readers have any resemblance of brain cells or critical thinking left:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

And now of course

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-likely-explosions-not-earthquakes-seismologist-says

Can't wait for coverage of Orcs blowing up their own pipelines which they stopped themselves. Logic being that's just what Orcs do? After stopping the gas flow, they blow up the pipeline to make sure they loose all of leverage over Germany for the winter

At least elected member of the European parliament and former Polish Defense Minister says how it is, before he's "shown the way" and claims hacks or a joke
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/us-blew-up-russian-gas-pipelines-nord-stream-1--2-says-former-polish-defense-minister

Wondering how low will EUR drop now

Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.

My analysis is that Putin and the diplomatic arm could be thinking of selling gas to Europe while the Psychos are keen of breaking all ties an ensuring that it is not possible. Think of it, the RF does not need to blow the gas pipes to stop the supply. This is someone in the army making sure it cannot be back. There is certainly a fight in Moscow.


For Ukraine it is. They have been preparing since your Psychos and Orcs took Crimea and have plenty of help with training and supplies. RF has show their inability to hold supply lines beyond 200 km. I suspect many of these soldiers will desert out of mere hunger.



Are you aware that there is a 19 mile long queue in the Mongolian and Georgian borders? It seems it is not "some people", it is kind of "a lot of people". And make no mistake, these are not precisely the poor sods that have little skills and do not have enough to fly, these are the qualified professionals you need to run a country.

There is difference between the number of people living in RF and how many can you mobilise for a war that is not threatening the country before the depose Putin and the Psychos - probably in a very expedite way, like in the Menshevik revolution.




And somehow managed to do so without any evidence to be found by all the Trumpists, with even members of the Republican party stating on-record that they were being pressed to lie about the result, Mike Pence part of it!, with even Trump close family speaking of an actual conspiracy by Trump to cheat, with recorded evidence of a President of the United stated calling for violence, with recorded proof of armed groups, with security officers killed in the Capitol while Trump stood silent and sent no one to protect the temple of the US democracy. It is shameful for the US and it is not politics or partisanship, it goes well beyond.

As I have said many times, it would require so many people to be in a conspiracy that it would actually be more than half of the Americans - which would then would not require to do anything but just voting.

Anyway, you kind of believe that you can lie of confuse your way out of any situation, so I am not going to insist, it is not worth any more time.

I'm sure tvbcof would thank you for your experience with Norwegian psychiatrists, if he wasn't so busy gathering more info about what is going on in the world. You might try that sometime... gathering more info rather than being nipple fed.

I recommend you double the dose of what you are currently taking. Your current dose does not lessen your symptoms.

You probably need a team of top-notch Norwegian psychiatrists, one will not do.

^^^ Maybe rocket fuel is the reason Russia cut off gas to Europe. They are converting it to rocket fuel for the low-yield nukes, so they can take out individual HIMARS without harming the land with large amounts of radiation.

Oops! Accidentally hit a bunch of Ukraine Nazi soldiers.

If I were Putin and wished to 1) make a big statement, and 2) respond in kind to infrastructure sabotage, I certainly wouldn't even consider low-yield nukes.  Not even for the purposes of doing and EMP.

What I would do would be to start sweeping up satellites.  Russia is certainly no stranger to work in space.  It's always seemed to me that simple nets should be able to do the job to one degree or another.  My initial vision is to just have a device that rotates and feeds out a net which looks very much like a spider web.  Weights on the radial cords and the spin to open them up.  Deploy them on a vector which would converge with the computed path of the target satellite.  Wouldn't be much different than fishing the ocean, and the eco-tards assure us with confidence that almost all the fish are gone because of us bad bad humans and our destructive tendencies.

Probably Russian sats would be targeted as one (of many) responses, but when all is said and done Russia will probably be able to put up new ones more competitively.  Rocket fuel takes a lot of energy to produce after all.  In the mean time it seems pretty clear that the loss of space assets would dis-proportionally degrade the more 'advanced' militaries.  Use of nukes for anyone would hugely tarnish one's reputation worldwide for a long long time.  Inconveniencing people who just want to do a little porn surfing on their Viasat collaterally damaged connectivity is kind of a different story.

Sending thousands of untrained drunks armed with rusty kalashnikovs against HIMARS is indeed quite simple. Not very effective though.

To stop people from fleeing the country to avoid either fighting a war they aren't allowed to call a war or face 10 years in the gulag for refusing to fight in the war they can't call a war.

Bombing with high-explosive bombs was successfully used by Russia, in particular at Azovstal and near Kherson, where there is no threat to defeat civilians.

Ukraine somehow coped with the task of mobilizing more than 800k civilians, Russia has a simpler task.

I think you are too exalted by the local success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov. Ukraine still has no chance in confrontation with Russia.

What for? Russia has a multiple greater mobilization resource than Ukraine, it's okay if some people go abroad, it's their choice.