Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 214. (Read 77449 times)

Ask any friend you have in the military why they want to have a dam they intend to eventually control firstly "in artillery range". Hint 1: When you are not in the enemy's artillery range, the enemy cannot shell your position to dust. Hint 2: if you are under shelling, it is usually a bad idea to stay there. Read carefully: Not the dam, the military positions around the dam. I hope this is correctly understood.

I just said why, but it aaaaalll right... I can say it again: Nearly all the water supply to Crimea comes from the canal on the east bank near the dam. The general is sending a clear message to the world: "The RF is about to loose a critical asset to hold the grip on Crimea".

I rarely say anything categorically, but on this case, it is very clear that it would ridiculously stupid for Ukraine to blow that dam. The sad thing is that, if it ever happens nobody would claim ownership of the f**kup.

When Russia was failing to take Kiev back in March, Ukraine was listening to soldiers phone calls.  Pretty clever decision to hand over the recordings to the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

The point is to underline the absurdity of the claims, not sure where you're seeing ura-patriotism!?! What is pretty certain that if damn is blown while over 50% of Kherson is under RU control, then Orcs just like to shoot at themselves, if it's blown when UA takes over 50% then RU are terrorists. I'm just glad that Russians are at least evacuating civilians! Ukraine's window of opportunity is shrinking, winter is coming it'll take away mobility and cover which Ukraine managed to greatly use to its advantage. Ukraine needs to throw in all it got before that, is it enough to take Kherson? i have no idea (i didn't even think UA could take all that land by Kharkiv), do you consider it or Bakhmut a decisive battle? does it really matter outside of posturing and these forum bickering? What interests me more are concrete indicators of the conflict turning one way or the other. Let me ask you this, what are some major indicators for you that Ukraine might be loosing? (Or it's just inconceivable for you?) Here's what i'm looking at
Elections in US Watch as support for funding Ukraine erodes among Republicans
GBP, EUR, JPY, RUB, USD rates.
Indicators of Belarus joining the conflict opening new front
New committed aid to Ukraine UA believes that it's fighting for EU, will EU provide electricity to Ukraine?
Will new UK prime minister hold out longer than a head of lettuce?

Is there a point you're trying to make or do you just need to vent your ura-patriotism after Putin's speech?

Are Russians not going to run from Kherson?

Ah such a concise and clear explanation, so general wants to take the damn under artillery fire because it's a key for Crimea and that's why it'll accelerate Russian withdrawal? Clear as mud, but who cares just need to arrange words in a somewhat readable sentence, targeted audience can't think for themselves anyway.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3602356-russians-not-fleeing-from-kherson-besttrained-soldiers-remain-in-place-zelensky.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-intel-chief-says-russia-is-reinforcing-kherson-city/ar-AA13kUop

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-kakhovka-dam-ukraine-about-be-blown-2022-10-21/

I'm sure by "artillery fire control" what the general really meant was "to secure and provide safety for" and it will accelerate withdrawal because Russians will just piss their pants and run away from such provided safety to the damn! Right? I need this, please lie to me some more!

The "gas pipes" were blown up by the RF, international experts have expressed serious concerns about Zapo plant being blown as the RF does not accept a demilitarised zone around it. And, most importantly, the control of the dam is key for Crimea as it may restrict (or allow) the water supply, not something to blow up with artillery (another stupid theory - Ukraine blowing up the key to their hold over Crimea) and that is why it may have been mentioned.

Now, go back to the drawing board of your alternate reality. BTW, curiously and as of now, your link points to this headline:

Glad we finally found someone who can speak on behalf of the whole country. Now care to provide an example of a nations that don't want to join NATO (if there are any)? Do Belarusians want to join? Serbs? Taiwanese? Australians? How much resources would it take to "convince" a small nation that they want to join NATO? Is it a stable system, if you have a hegemony and global reserve currency what can possible stop you from endless expansion and consumption of more regions? Congrats you have a solution to perpetual word at war! Possible outcomes of conflict in Ukraine, either things go how they were prior to 2014, or Ukraine enters NATO and it starts all over, world gets dragged into the same thing but now to free people in Belarus because they just want to join NATO so muuch!

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I guess if the masses don't question why would Russia shoot at the nuclear power plant that it controls, let people out of Mariupol before taking it over, or blow up their own gas pipeline before it's needed the most, they won't question why would UA's Major General of Defence Intelligence Agency want to take Nova Kakhovka dam under artillery fire control, or how exactly that would accelerate Russian withdrawal? I mean people still believe that Orc's just like to shoot at themselves for fun right?? Or did CNN started to push RU propaganda?

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-26-22#h_8270748d1157f665c09b2df10d90501d

There is only one way that de-Satanization works for anybody, be it person, family, or nation. This is through believing in the existence of God and His Son, Jesus. And the believing comes through reading or listening to what is written in the Bible.

The point is, you jokers need to get de-Satanized. If you don't, the pains - and worse - that are being suffered by Ukrainians - and some Russians in Ukraine - will be falling on you one of these days.

You know you have a fake news addiction issue when you have to use Iranian "news" sources to satisfy the craving.

More volunteers coming to defend Ukraine:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010803000391/Repr-Dzens-f-Al-Qaeda-Linked-Terrriss-Redeplyed-Ukraine-frm-Syria

Winter will serve Russia indirectly, given the economic war it is waging against Ukraine's allies regarding gas. Winter is always on the side of the Russians.

I agree with you on this point because all the Russian armed forces, in addition to the reserve forces that were forcibly called up, do not have enough experience to fight a field war in the classical way. But we should not forget the large number of these soldiers, who are undoubtedly capable of making a difference, no matter how many losses they have.

What I meant by the example of Napoleon was not to acknowledge that Russia had succeeded in defeating him, but rather that winter was and always is a catalyst for Russia.

Do not feed the pets please, they are already take a balanced intake of phantasy, delusion, elucubration and wishful thinking that is best for the "piose" as "outsiders" and for a great shiny hair.

BADecker will like this:


(written by some KGB stooge so you know this is about as serious as "denazification")

First of all basic manual of survival for any slave conscripted into Adolf's Putin army: This is how it is done. Make sure the sheet is clean and does not look like camouflage:

https://youtu.be/br53bjIkehQ?t=1020



Ah sure just enough ... yet here we are - RF loosing ground, thousands at the risk of encirclement and orcs sent to the front with not preparation. Some of the guys out here do not seem to grasp how heroically are they going to die. Like this one here:
https://youtu.be/iqx_-OHE1Hk?t=297 Oh the poor thing... he repeated each night to himself "I am safe in Putin's Russia, Surely Adolf Putin is not going to call the privileged to the army. That's only for the "lower species" in the poor forgotten and politically irrelevant regions."

If you question the world "developed" you probably would like to give your own definition of developed. Go look for anything reasonable that makes the RF look "developed" (PIB, per capita, wealth distribution,... even education and industrial production is failing through the cracks of corruption and kleptocracy).

I remains suspicious of the quality of the vodka your handlers are paying you with. However, I am going to give you something: Adolf Putin has done more for the US than any president of the US could have ever done.


I have heard that Kamchatka offers a better advantage, since they are counting on the winter winning the war for them - yes... that's right ... against Ukrainians.


This needs a special paragraph on its own. Ukrainian are doing run-attacks, precisely you need to avoid densely populated areas, as this will thwart the strategy. If you go to (ye olde) Russian Strategy manual you will find that defences are structured into 3 layers, 5km, 15km and divisional reserves at 30km. This is done so that a penetration by the enemy does not end in full collapse. What the Ukrainian army is finding (they probably knew already thanks to "gospel from the skies") is that the RF army is like everything else in Adolf Putin's RF: Plenty of shell, nothing inside - There were no second lines, there were no noticeable divisional reserves. Ukraine forces have been only stopping to resupply, pretty much like a swimmer sticking his head out to take a breath.

I wonder how much empty land and hollowness in mind, soul and over the terrain are they going to find.

I'm expecting that someday the Russians will be withdrawing to the Ural mountains, but from the Easterly direction.  That will be during the war with China, and that's scheduled for some decades out.

The philosophical justification that the 'unipolar world' people have for their aspirations is that it will 'end war' when we are all holding hands and singing cum-ba-ya (and eating bugs, owning nothing, and being happy.)  Of course this is a pipe-dream and it's kind of the 'upper-middle class' useful idiot types who even need to grasp on to some ethical teddy-bear to justify their efforts.  These types fill in the middle of the pyramid.  Those nearer to the top who make everything happen are not nearly so sentimental and burdened with the need for garden-variety psychological crutches; they've got their philosophical and ethical issues worked out long ago, and it's and easier row to hoe for people who are true psychopaths.

Solid strategy. I think Ural Mountains is a greatly advantageous location for fighting. Putin should fast forward to that.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/

Russian commanders were aware of their army's shortcomings in abilities and supply.
This is like Russian Roulette, it's only that the gun remains in Russia's hand...
CLICK

The 'developed countries' gave the Ukroids just enough weapons to enter battle but not enough (of the right type) to make much of a difference and certainly not enough to win much of anything or kill many Rooskies.  Compounding this, Russian strategy seems to be to manage the locations of fighting to be where it is advantageous to them by simply withdrawing.  Again, 'Mongolian' tactics from _way_ back.

It's hard to hit dug in professional soldiers so the Ukroids seem to have more or less contented themselves by hammering away on civilian targets and populations where they can rack up more kills I guess.  Donesk especially.

I remain suspicious that Zelenski and Putin are to some degree working together to get rid of the apparently undesirable populations in certain areas of the Ukraine.  Those 'developed countries' are certainly doing their part in this effort. Whether the Russian deep-state is in on it or not, that's what's happening.  One spigot goes into refugee bucket and the other goes 6 feet under the ground.

No, all that is Kremlin crap:

a) The RF is not winning the war, is loosing it. Only in the last few days it has lost 1000 km2 west of Mykolaiv. Kherson is getting close to encirclement. Crimea is close to having the main water supply to the region in Ukrainian control.
b) Winter may not play a role as much as it did in WWII. Things have changed quite a bit. Particularly near Kherson, the temperature in winter is certainly not enough to stop operations by modern standards. Whoever is counting on that is up for a surprise.
c) The RF is not backfilling with "soldiers" is backfilling the estimated 80.000 soldiers killed with a number of forced conscripts with little training and no will to fight. That is not a "soldier" that is a "slave" wielding a weapon.

As for your knowledge of history, it sucks. Napoleon experienced winter far north, pretty much from  Moscow and on the way back to France with XIX century equipment - and not even winter equipment as such - and no supply lines. Ukraine is fighting at home with the backing of most developed countries.

In doing some reviews, I think your observation is valid. Russia is winning the wars it is waging on its land due to its icy nature and climate that helps it to withstand in contrast to the invaders who can withstand the harsh winters, and this happened with Hitls and with Napoleon Bonaparte before him.
The rest of the wars fought on other lands were not very successful.

With more support for Ukraine, I think it is capable of making a difference in the war, but we cannot forget that Russia is able to fill the arena with soldiers and weapons without referring to economic weapons.