Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 216. (Read 77449 times)

Reading about Iran - I read it online that Russia is purchasing new kind of Drones from Iran.
That is called Kamakazi drone. And they are making a lot of damage to Ukraine

Meanwhile it seems that Russia is testing new type of kamikaze fighter jets. Just in one week, it's already second time when they crash into residential building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tql2sdctGFU

C'mon, even advisor of Russian Defense Ministry said that these drones are made in Iran, but they can't talk about it because they offcially don't recognize that they're made in Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZsrQE9fIjE

And somehow they managed to shoot it down with good old Buk 1M:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9LvhqlO2Rs
If these 80% would be just wishful thinking, consquences would be much worse.

We both seem to be repeating ourselves. I think we will soon see Geran-3 kamikaze drones in action, with the same air-cooled engine (Chinese or Iranian clone of the German Limbach L550E engine for ultralight aircraft), but with a silencer and therefore not so loud. This will make the task of detecting the drone even more difficult and increase its effectiveness. We'll see.
Here you are wishful thinking. These drones are extremely difficult targets for an air defense system for a number of reasons (they fly at low altitude, their body is radio-transparent, their fuel tanks are reinforced, the air-cooled engine is cold). Plus, it has a contact-type detonator, that is, even if the drone was shot down, it will still explode when it falls. And perhaps the damage from a downed drone will be even greater than if it is not touched.

Do you still think that organizing a terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge was a good idea? I hope the income from the sale of postage stamps will help Ukraine to spend the winter without electricity, heat and light.

They're hitting ~80% of those drones, which is quite good for "non-existent" air defense.

Russian air force proper doesn't ever try to enter Ukrainian airspace anymore, choosing to launch low-accuracy missiles from Belarus or deep inside Russian territory, which I think tells us something different than you assumed about the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense.


Ukrainian soldiers training abroad seems like a major advantage over freshly mobilized Russian forces barely training if at all. Even if you believe Russian military training is on par with British, that's a wash at best.


And Ukrainians are shelling actual military targets like ammunition depots, supply routes, as opposed to Russians trying to hit civilian infrastructure and cause a humanitarian crisis. Again, seems like a significant military advantage for Ukrainians.

Not sure why you're still trying to twist this into some major media conspiracy. There is clearly a shift of momentum compared to the early months of the war and Ukrainians have been gaining ground for the last 2-3 months. Even Russian side admits losing Kharkov region and retreating from Kherson. Are the Russians also in on the pro-Ukrainian conspiracy?

Sure, that is why the SUs and MIG are all over Ukraine supporting the ground forces -  Except for the fact that they are absolutely absent since day 0. RF air superiority, which was taken for granted even by Ukraine allies has proven to be non-existant. It is just another of the myths about the RF army that have been vanished after this botched aggression that has benefited only the US.

Russia is using drones and missiles, many of which are intercepted and many of which are inaccurate to the point of being useless because they cannot risk planes and pilots to missions in a relatively well defended sky. Trying to win a war by cutting civilians from water, electricity, hospitals and schools is useless.

I don't know where they were manufactured.  

How do you know they were manufactured in Russia?  Or are you just making this claim because you think it will impress others with Russias capabilities?  That's what it seems like to me at this point.

And because Ukraine is being supported by the US and Nato, the Russian pressure is really against the US and Nato.

At the same time, it is destroying the economy of the people of the US and Nato nations.

When I read the news that the Ukrainian army is unable to repel the attacks of the drones that Russia acquired from Iran, it becomes clear to me that the Ukrainian surface-to-air defenses are very weak or non-existent at all.
The same thing when I read the news that Britain is training the Ukrainian forces on its soil before redeploying them to the battlefield, it becomes clear to me that this army is inexperienced in wars and it is hard to believe that it wins successive rounds as the loyal media wants to portray us.

Russia is putting pressure on Ukraine from several sides, not only militarily. The targeting of vital facilities (airports, power generators, warehouses for goods...) greatly affects the military support of the Ukrainian army, to which the allied countries are unable to provide adequate assistance.

Now Russia invades Europe this winter. Will the Governments fight it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYAboXw9eko

What makes you think that these drones are made in Iran and were simply renamed Geran-2? Do you have any proof of this other than allegations? Or the contact fuse of a kamikaze drone does not allow you to study the wreckage of even those drones that managed to shoot down? I pointed out to you above the difference between Geranium-2 and Shahid-136 (another navigation board). This is a significant difference that affects the accuracy of hitting the target.

In addition to Geran-2, Russia also has a kamikaze drone Geran-1 (very similar, but slightly more compact and with a rotary piston engine). The same class of drones also includes the loitering ammunition Lancet, which has recently also been often used in special operation. In general, this hysterical winding of snot on a fist about possible military assistance to Russia from Iran is quite funny. Considering that three dozen countries supply lethal weapons to Ukraine.

ps No Iranian Arms Delivery to Russia for Ukraine War  

I mean how do you know that the drones are being manufactured in Russia?  Where did you get this information?

Pretty much all irrelevant to the case. Adolf Putin ordered a few fakeferedums to make annexations as something demanded by the population. It is impossible for a population to express a will a gunpoint. Trying to pass the the illegal (thanks) annexations as something demanded by the population, but is simply impossible to recognise in the middle of a war, mass graves, killing and soldiers forcing people to vote. For those who want to understand, it is fairly simple.

As for you legal quotes ... well, sure... all annexations are illegal. No problem is that is what you are trying to prove?? So that would include the recent ones by Adolf Putin, sure, thanks - illegal they are - pretty much my point.

It is very clear for whoever wants to understand - for a change is the status of a region you would allow people to express views, pros and cons openly and in peace and then let the majority decide. It does not matter if it is one month, or two months or a year, it is about a large majority of countries and institutions considering the polling and campaigning free and pacific (pacific enough sometimes).

Is it relative? Yes. Does anything fly as you suggest? No, it does not. There is a minimum. Times are changing so much (thanks Trump, Boris, Putin, Xi,...) that is easy to put everything into doubt and make facts appear as "maybes" and you are just trying to relativize and put forward some legal opinions as if that was an exact science - it is not. The citizens of a territory can chose to organise themselves however they please, and that could be joining an existing country or abandoning an existing one.

If you are here to argue about semantics just do not use "annexation", but rather voluntarily joining or voluntary union  - short of what happens when a country joins the EU (and that sometimes is without referendum).  Does secession or annexation always require a referendum... I would say that it would also be acceptable that a government elected with full democratic guarantees and a program of claiming secession clearly expressed would be valid.

Now, all the whattabout:

- Catalonia held a referendum that did not have any guarantee so it was not accepted by any country in EU, nor US, nor pretty much anyone. It was very clear that it did not have the basics. Apart, is well known that of the four regions of Catalonia, two (including the capital Bacelona!) are not in favour of secession.

- The referendum on independence of Scotland, agreed with the UK government, resulted on a no. It did have all guarantees.

- Referendums in the old USSR were probably not required by the existing law (the USSR law did allow secession as far as I know). If you want to argue that they were illegal you would need something more that just saying so and if you are trying to make them like a "west" doing you would also need some evidence. No wonder you are using a source in Russian  


BTW, please see here a list of countries that declared their independence from UK. Do you think the west did accept these just for benefit?.

Well, at least Geran-2 is more accurate than Shahid-136, because it uses the GLONASS satellite system for guidance, and not a commercial GPS.

Again, and just for the shake of following your logic - not agreeing with it - it is impossible to win in a battlefield when the opposing party controls the money printing machine, has a larger, better trained and better equipped army and is not sending their own to die, but rather arming another country.

Perhaps one could conclude that Adolf Putin's RF is throwing a very expensive and deadly tantrum.


More than half of the incoming attacks are being shot down. Those numbers are likely to increase once Germany sends their systems and the US sends the AMRAAM based systems (kind of cheap, effective and with a virtually unlimited supply of spares).

The reason Adolf Putin has to throw expensive and many time inaccurate missiles is precisely because the airspace dominance has been denied by the effectiveness of the Ukrainian defence and, to be fair, by corruption, incompetence and lack of real resources from the RF since day 1.

Fortunately, Ukraine does not have an effective air defense system.

Putin has the Ukraine beat, hands down. He's just Biden biding his time until China is ready to start a war with the US. Then things will be really easy taking down both the US and Ukraine... all without nukes.

There is no big disagreement between the sides as to what territory is under their control. You can overlay the map from e.g. Deep State (pro-Ukrainian) over the maps from pro-Russian sources (e.g. Rybar) and it will be very similar.


False.


False, albeit subjective and relative so perhaps some aspects of it can be twisted into "lacking".

Ukrainian forces are generally better trained, have superior reconnaissance, and are better supplied with certain types of modern weapons, although their starting position wasn't too good and Russian forces have huge amounts of soviet equipment and ammunition, not to mentioned their meat grinder strategy. Again, this is all largely confirmed even by pro-Russian sources, if you just look past the official RF MOD "we shot down 300 airplanes of 50 they had" bullshit.

I think you're making the assumption that Ukrainians can't successfully fight back based on false information.

But both sites show you that there are people who link the Shahed-136 to the Geran-2. It's a start.

I am trying to read the events based on the information published by the media, which cannot be completely trusted, since it will always belong to one of the parties to the conflict.
Unfortunately, Ukraine does not have an air defense system, and its forces on the ground lack sufficient support and experience. This makes it hard to believe that the Ukrainian army is making any progress on the battlefield.
I agree with you that holding the referendum is a fictitious thing to give an illusory legitimacy to colonialism, but this proves that the armies have actually controlled the aspects of life in those regions.

I'm not seeing anywhere in your links any claim that they were made in Russia.

Looks like a few weeks ago Russia admitted they suck at making drones, while Iran has been putting tons of resources into developing drones for over a decade with very good results: https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-accepts-drones-inferiority-says-most-uavs-dont-meet/

There are other people who think this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136

https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/vX4kaC/Shahed-136Geran-2

If you are really interested in this, use the Yandex.com search engine and whatever good translation site you can find.