Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 25. (Read 77960 times)

^^^ DumBAss, you do not want peace, you want surrender which means another war in a couple of years.

I know you are not great at providing reasons, you just throw stuff to see how much sticks, but perhaps you will answer a couple of questions:

If Putin gets what he wants, what stops him for wanting more? And what stops him from going to war again and again to get it?

You do not have real answer to any of this, you are just repeating slogans from you local MAGA priest / part time janitor.


If you want to quote, you should provide the refence link so that I can see how you have manipulated it it really says what you say it says. For example, if you quote some Viktor V out there instead of the original, it would be noticed because you did not link the original.

Despite, the WP would say whatever sells more news or... and this is important, whatever is best for a purpose: e.g. obtaining more aid for Ukraine, which you do not get if you say all is going to plan. You want proper information, there are plenty of mappers and a few provide very good frontline updates. For example, if you go here:

https://map.ukrdailyupdate.com/?lat=51.296705&lng=34.740143&z=11&d=19997&c=1&l=0

you will observe how Ukraine has advanced south of the Seim over the last week.

^^^ paxmao is simply part of the warmonger force. He probably has investments in war-machine manufacturing. The way this works is something like this.

For Ukraine to be able to keep on fighting, she needs help. When the West supplies the war machines Ukraine needs, they have to manufacture them. This means more money for the manufacturers. paxmao, being part of the war machine manufacturing investment group, earns money. And that is what he wants... more Ukraine, more war materials, more sales to governments for Ukraine, more money in his pocket.

The thing that paxmao probably realizes - and that paxmao is probably invested in - is the Russian war machine manufacturing process, at the same time. Russian war machine manufacturers make more money with the war going on, as well.

But if paxmao DOESN'T realize this, he should learn that the same war that is defeating Ukraine, is growing Russian military strength. Of course, his total talk might be propaganda. Maybe he gets paid as a lobbyist for all his war talk that he does here... and who knows where else.

Washington post totally disagree with our friend paxmao:

"“Eastern Ukraine is buckling under improved Russian tactics and superior firepower”: The Washington Post reports a fundamental shift in Russian military tactics as it “advances at an unprecedented pace.”

“Adversary troops are storming in small groups, supported by superior artillery and drones, making them difficult to detect and difficult to fire back at. Russia has also improved its combat communications, helping coordinate attacks. And while Russian casualties are staggering, the Ukrainian Armed Forces say they have enough fighters to keep the pressure up, and Western aid is not making up for the shortfall.

This confluence of factors, coupled with Ukraine’s ongoing replenishment problem and its focus on the operation inside Russia, has allowed Russian fighters to begin seizing territory in the Donetsk region with a speed and aggression not seen since the full-scale invasion in 2022.  Ukrainian troops are retreating dozens of miles along the front line and losing significant areas of territory""

Thus, the messages of the resident trolls here speaking about it falling three days ago and a fake "no order to retreat" and the like at THAT moment  were false information just like I said - not that all the rest is usually anything else.

Vuhledar, whatever the degree of control as of now, was useful to Ukraine as it was easy to defend and kept some Ruzzian transportation routes well observed and under fire. But, useful does not mean irreplaceable.

For example, someone had said that Germany was going to cut aid to Ukraine or not provide any more funds because certain "investigation" on the Nord Stream, but then...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-set-approve-397-million-euros-ukraine-military-aid-letter-says-2024-09-19/


That is something solved by international law, war is not a "new thing". International law allows neutral countries to trade with whomever they wish. Weapons are goods and services, like training or maintaining, are equally tradeable. So...

I load a gun, sell you a loaded gun, guide you through target practice with the gun and tell you how to aim the gun and what are the best targets, all done according to the law.

You fire the gun and kill someone. Who is going to jail if caught?

Well, it's only been three days since your message, and Ugledar has already been taken. Good job.

X sending X made bombs, transporting on X equipment, programmed by X personnel, using X made secret maps, and X guidance system, and X satellites during the flight only for Y to push the red button, apparently didn't convince anyone that X shouldn't be considered to be a part of the conflict. And rightfully so, wouldn't you say?

Try turning that around, what if Russia gave missiles to Yemen, transported them to Yemen, Russians programing the missile to strike deep inside US, Russians then loaded their secret maps, and then using Russian guidance system and satellites, only for a Yemeni to press the red button would absolve Russia from any responsibility? I'm sure the US would totally see it that way too

That's the whole premise for countries exporting advanced weapons being liable for it. Why else do you think nations receiving the advanced weapons must ask for permission. Otherwise we would've already nuked our blue marble with humanities last words laying blame on some proxy country.

Sure, let's no go over how Putin keeps on threatening = e.g. changing what they call the law to make it what they call legal to target Ukraine with nukes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o


Obviously a man of peace sure.

The interesting thing is that Ukraine can achieve anyway a similar result - not exactly equal, but good enough -  without such means. Three giant-sized weapons depots blasted using the latest generation of drones. Perhaps using ballistic missiles may not be needed after all.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/09/18/ukraine-destroys-huge-russian-ammunition-depot-with-first-of-its-kind-ground-breaking-innovative-missiles_6726538_4.html

Find me one USA post WW2 war where ratio of civilians and soldiers killed was better for civilians than this Russia-Ukraine war.
Agent Orange killed more Vietnam children AFTER war ended, than civilians died in Ukraine-Russia war



Its over, now its only a question if remaining few Ukrainian soldiers want to suicide, or surrender:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/fortress-ugledar-is-completely-encircled-about-fall-any/

Let's not go over this again, no one will win a nuclear war between NATO and Russia. That is, the whole world would loose. When you accept that as a fundamental truth, everything else falls into place (e.g. why Zelenskyy went home without permission to use ATACMS deep inside Russia). How the whole Ukrainian nation was so blinded that they would ignore such simple fact is quiet astonishing to me. Once this is all over, I expect a lot of documents to get declassified which would give us a glimpse at how exactly that was achieved.

Update: This is just to make sure the Ruzzian propaganda channels have a least some challenge when they spread shit. Vuhledar is not yet taken.

About the strikes on ammo storages last weeks... Long, but quite accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwP727sAxg


Ruzzia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and then again in 2022.

Since then. all evidence points to the opposite of what you say over and over:

1- Putin is indifferent to harming others, as long as it serves his purposes - you just have to look at the war casualties.
2 - Putin had free trade with most of the world before invading. Now he does not - and it was to be expected.
3 - Putin will not use the nukes unless his regime is at risk and probably not even then. Peace he can have at any time by a fair deal.

On Stalin, your theory is very interesting... I mean, for someone from outer space or coming our of a 100 year's coma. It must be great having a brain like yours, in the sense that it feels not need to filter reality from candyland.

Putin doesn't want to kill or harm anybody. He simply wants fair trade with anybody who wants to trade with Russia. You can't trade with dead people. Nor can you get them to work for you, even if they are citizens of the country you rule.

Putin's big reason for not using nukes is that he sees hope for peace... and the world opening up to fair trade. Make no mistake, he will use nukes when he sees that there isn't any hope for peace.

Note that the reason why Stalin killed so many people is that he was afraid of infiltration from the West and assassination thereby. Later, the KGB became just about as sneaky as the CIA, and the Stalin death need was eliminated.

There are bigger reasons. It will not only not guarantee victory - whatever that means for Putin or whatever he is willing to call a victory - but also will call for a strong international rebuke, not just from China.

Another reason is that it is unlikely that he can use nukes without effects in NATO countries, which would inevitably be an attack and would carry a response. Make no mistake: If anything keeps Putin awaken at night is not the number of Ruzzians he has to send to the meatgrinder, the damage to Ruzzias production capability or diplomacy, it is just a NATO direct involvement. A war he cannot win and probably not survive physically.

And the main reason: He is happy to escalate by killing civilians with conventional means, bombing infrastructure, schools, ... anything because he gets limited pay-back to it. But escalation only makes sense if you get more than you loose, and nuking does not fit the case.

Another non-news piece of information.

Putin is a dictator. The only law in Russia is Putin's law; the only law that matters; it takes precedence over all others.
If Putin wanted to shoot nukes about, he would. Some inconvenient piece of text wouldn't stop him. He would just do it and make up the reasons/excuses later.
Russia's nuclear doctrine. Yeah, may as well screw up those worthless papers and put them in the trashcan (along with his red lines.) Putin's law trumps them all.

Two reasons Putin hasn't used nukes:
   1) No guarantee it would deliver victory in Ukraine.
   2) China told him not to do it. Not asked, told.

Putin's law doesn't extend to China it seems.

Wow despite starting off about some 6 UA super soldiers that apparently killed over 100 RU soldiers, this quickly takes a dark turn. 50%-70% of new UA infantry are killed within days of starting their first rotation  
All this talk about drunk Russian army, paper tiger army on golf carts... apparently has consequences when ignorant people actually believed that stuff. How can anyone push against negotiations and encourage to keep this going into winter?? What do you think UA will be able to achieve during the winter when RU has advantage in manpower, total advantage in the sky, 10-1 advantage in artillery, advantage in missile strikes, advantage in glide bombs... Are they really trying to wipe out the whole nation that they managed to buy with those free cookies? This is just insane!

Part of the reason why Putin has avoided using nukes is the official Russian "laws" that have been set up by the politburo. These are being changed to make it easier for Russia to use nukes legally, by their own laws.


Putin Expands Russia’s Nuclear Doctrine to Include Non-Nuclear Attacks

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https://yournews.com/2024/09/25/2856506/putin-expands-russias-nuclear-doctrine-to-include-non-nuclear-attacks/
Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced an expansion of Russia’s nuclear doctrine, suggesting that non-nuclear attacks on Russia or Belarus could prompt a nuclear response.

By yourNEWS Media Newsroom

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced an updated nuclear doctrine on Wednesday, expanding the circumstances under which Russia may resort to using nuclear weapons. Speaking at a meeting of the Russian Security Council, Putin suggested that non-nuclear military aggression against Russia or Belarus, particularly when supported by nuclear powers, could trigger a nuclear response.

“We reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia and Belarus,” Putin stated, clarifying that Russia’s response would be proportionate to any threat to its sovereignty, regardless of whether the attack was nuclear or non-nuclear.
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Key Ukrainian stronghold of Vuhledar about to fall to Russia as Zelensky begs for more U.S. taxpayer cash in Washington as part of “victory plan”

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-09-27-vuhledar-falling-russia-zelensky-begs-cash-victory.html
Former LGBT pride marcher and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is back in Washington begging for U.S. taxpayer cash as part of his "victory plan" for Kiev.

Even as Moscow is on the verge of taking over Vuhledar, a key Ukrainian stronghold in eastern Europe, Zelensky is ordering Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to funnel him more money and weapons so he can achieve his goals.

"I think that we are closer to peace than we think," Zelensky told ABC News in an interview, clarifying that peace can only come if Ukraine is able to gain a "strong position" with the help of Western cash and weapons of war.

Zelensky says he has no plans to negotiate with Russia, but is rather looking at a victory plan that will create "a bridge to a diplomatic way out, to stop the war."

"We just have to be very, very strong," Zelensky said, stating that he and his regime are largely dependent on the "quick decisions." Zelensky also says that Washington must be "bold" in supporting Kiev's desire to use long-range, Western-made weapons deep within Russian territory.

"Everybody's looking up to [Biden], and we need this to defend ourselves," Zelensky whined to ABC News about how desperately he needs another welfare handout to keep his regime 'in power'.
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I don't think you have the right to tell me what to say, at least as long as I introduce my personal opinion with the phrase "I think" without trying to pass it off as a fact.

I think that the 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces had a real chance for an organized exit from Vuhledar a few days ago, but now it is lost. There are no reliable exit routes for the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Vuhledar, both country roads are in the gray zone and under tight fire control from Russia. The 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be completely destroyed in Ugledar in the near future, along with Ugledar itself.

And all that could make some sense if Vuhledar had been encircled and then fully taken. If you want to know the difference, look at Vovchansk, where Ukraine did encircle a number of Ruzzian troops a couple of days ago - to which the order to retire never came - and are now chips for the exchange. You need to start spreading the shit after something happens not before - remember for the next time.

A whole lot - probably the majority - of Ukrainian war activity is a big farce. There is little or nothing there. The only thing that holds Russia back from complete obliteration of Ukraine is the fear of US reprisal. If Russia understood that the present US was a big farce, just like Ukraine, they might have taken the world long ago.

However...


Lifting the Veil on Russia’s SMO in Ukraine: Is Putin’s Response to NATO’s Provocations a Potemkin Village?

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https://geopoliticsandempire.com/2024/08/14/putins-potemkin-village/


Legend has it that when Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia, visited Crimea in 1787, her lover, Prince Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin, came up with the idea of constructing entire villages of elaborate-looking wooden structures to impress her.

These beautifully decorated buildings were supposed to deceive the empress into believing the recently developed region had become prosperous under her rule. According to the legend, Crimea was, in reality, a vacant, desolate land, devoid of human activity, much less of thriving villages and a vibrant economy.
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They say the 72nd Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was waiting for an order to withdraw from Ugledar, but it never came. I think Zelensky decided to sacrifice it to look better in Washington.

^^^ You are so silly. If Russia loses a little territory because it is to their strategic advantage in a particular situation, all you need to do is look at the Black Sea Corridor they took from Ukraine without Ukraine being able to do anything  at all to stop them.

Russia is simply playing, a bit, regarding what they can do when they decide they have really had enough of Ukraine's nonsense.


Key Ukrainian Stronghold About To Fall To Russia As Zelensky Touts 'Victory Plan' In D.C.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/key-ukrainian-stronghold-about-fall-russia-zelensky-touts-victory-plan-dc
He said in an ABC News interview published Tuesday, "I think that we are closer to peace than we think." But he caveated this by saying this will only be assured if Ukraine comes from a "strong position" with the help of Western backers.

He described his so-called victory plan as not being focused on seeking to negotiate with Russia, but rather it is "a bridge to a diplomatic way out, to stop the war."

"We just have to be very strong, very strong," Zelensky said, and this is largely dependent on the "quick decisions". He has also of late said that "bold" decisions must be made by Washington, in reference to the request for NATO to greenlight long-range missiles strikes on Russia.

"Everybody's looking up to [Biden], and we need this to defend ourselves," he told ABC, in an obvious effort to increase pressure on a somewhat hesitant White House. Ukraine also wants a firm path to NATO membership.

He further said his plan is about "the strengthening of Ukraine, Ukrainian army and Ukrainian people. Only in the strong position we can push [Russian President Vladimir] Putin to stop the war - diplomatic way." He emphasized: "That is why we are asking our friend."

Despite this optimism about Ukraine's battlefield chances from Zelensky, Reuters on Tuesday has more bad news for Kiev, centering on rapid gains in Donetsk as another key town is about to fall.
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