Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 25.

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Quote from: Branko on July 21, 2024, 03:47:11 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 08:39:02 PM

did the UK or anyone else in EU or the US invaded Crimea in 2014? or did they took 10% of Ukraine by force?

One does not invade another country if one does not want to. It all comes to a large miscalculation from Putin.

Yes, UK and USA invaded Ukraine...just not full scale invasion

All explained in this great book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

BTW, any explanation from your sources about this image? Someone could think that Russians are advancing

https://ip.index.hr/remote/bucket.index.hr/b/index/bfcefc0e-4192-4f05-a5c4-39523e3fb79e.jpg?width=765

So look at the map - in general, the Russians have no promotion, they have been trampling for a year.

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^^^ Come on. You just don't get it. Russia is making what you consider to be microscopic advances, which are really the destruction of all opposition in those areas.

Since Russia has taken the opposition out, if they wanted to roll further into Ukraine, they would simply do it. It isn't part of the Russian plan to conquer Ukraine. They simply want their corridor to the Black Sea.

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Quote from: Branko on July 21, 2024, 03:47:11 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 08:39:02 PM

did the UK or anyone else in EU or the US invaded Crimea in 2014? or did they took 10% of Ukraine by force?

One does not invade another country if one does not want to. It all comes to a large miscalculation from Putin.

Yes, UK and USA invaded Ukraine...just not full scale invasion

All explained in this great book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

BTW, any explanation from your sources about this image? Someone could think that Russians are advancing

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I am going to help you: No, Ruzzia invaded Crimea militarily. Nobody else. BTW books are meant to be sold... the wilder the claims, the more they sell.

They are advancing in the Donbas yes. They are retreating in the North.

Now, can you explain us in your own words what is a success? Is the pace, resources consumed and the fact that the border with NATO expanded by thousands of km interpreted by you as a success.

BTW, it is quite noticeable how you have shown a very large image that shows a tiny bit of Ukraine. Let's make it a bit more clear:

- Plan: take Ukraine.
- Plan B: Take 4 regions.
- Plan C: Take whatever

So... where were those advances and "swathes of land" you speak about... have you got a microscope?

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Russian forces have liberated the town of Rozovka in the Lugansk People’s Republic and captured Pestchanoye Nizhneye in Ukraine’s Kharkov Region, the defense ministry in Moscow reported on Sunday.

Over the past 24 hours, the Ukrainian military has suffered more than 1,500 casualties in various hotspots along the frontline, losing multiple artillery guns, including US-made M777 howitzers, Russian military officials asserted.

Russian forces advancing in Ukraine and Donbass – MOD - https://www.rt.com/russia/601415-rozovka-pestchanoye-territorial-gains/

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Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 08:39:02 PM

did the UK or anyone else in EU or the US invaded Crimea in 2014? or did they took 10% of Ukraine by force?

One does not invade another country if one does not want to. It all comes to a large miscalculation from Putin.

Yes, UK and USA invaded Ukraine...just not full scale invasion

All explained in this great book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

BTW, any explanation from your sources about this image? Someone could think that Russians are advancing

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Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 08:39:02 PM

Quote from: Branko on July 20, 2024, 02:25:48 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 09:16:28 AM

You mean... the same way he failed miserably with North Korea and China? Anyone can say what Trump says, anyone can claim that "war is very bad" - I do not think anyone would disagree (maybe Branko?).

Ah, famous English "newspeak"...I think most people in thread would say
its YOU who promotes war, similar to your former prime minister who
is #1 reason we still have war in Europe, after peace was already
negotiated in Istanbul

But go on, keep posting war porn daily and accuse others of doing so

did the UK or anyone else in EU or the US invaded Crimea in 2014? or did they took 10% of Ukraine by force?

One does not invade another country if one does not want to. It all comes to a large miscalculation from Putin.

The CIA in addition to Nato agencies infiltrate the election process in all kinds of countries. And I'm sure that Russian agencies attempt infiltration here and there, too.

The point is that Crimea people want to be in league with Russia.

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Quote from: Branko on July 20, 2024, 02:25:48 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 09:16:28 AM

You mean... the same way he failed miserably with North Korea and China? Anyone can say what Trump says, anyone can claim that "war is very bad" - I do not think anyone would disagree (maybe Branko?).

Ah, famous English "newspeak"...I think most people in thread would say
its YOU who promotes war, similar to your former prime minister who
is #1 reason we still have war in Europe, after peace was already
negotiated in Istanbul

But go on, keep posting war porn daily and accuse others of doing so

did the UK or anyone else in EU or the US invaded Crimea in 2014? or did they took 10% of Ukraine by force?

One does not invade another country if one does not want to. It all comes to a large miscalculation from Putin.

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Quote from: Branko on July 19, 2024, 05:08:48 PM

This is how Ukraine creates fake news, BTW:

https://t.me/xoxol_uk/25641

Nope, this is how Russia makes fake news. Mostfilm studios is good at making fakes, but they should pay more attention to small details. Like clothes of doctor in your video is different from what he actually was wearing. In fake video there is no back pocket in his pants and horizontal seam on his uniform. Shoes also looks different, but it's not fully visible.
I'm not even talking about police officer, in that video he don't have weapon, holster and radio on his belt, chevron is also in wrong place
https://twitter.com/CforCD/status/1814301993172648032

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Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 09:16:28 AM

You mean... the same way he failed miserably with North Korea and China? Anyone can say what Trump says, anyone can claim that "war is very bad" - I do not think anyone would disagree (maybe Branko?).

Ah, famous English "newspeak"...I think most people in thread would say
its YOU who promotes war, similar to your former prime minister who
is #1 reason we still have war in Europe, after peace was already
negotiated in Istanbul

But go on, keep posting war porn daily and accuse others of doing so

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Quote from: paxmao on July 20, 2024, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 20, 2024, 01:33:57 AM

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Trump went on to say that he appreciates Zelensky "for reaching out because I, as your next President of the United States, will bring peace to the world and end the war that has cost so many lives and devastated countless innocent families."
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You mean... the same way he failed miserably with North Korea and China? Anyone can say what Trump says, anyone can claim that "war is very bad" - I do not think anyone would disagree (maybe Branko?).

I can strike a deal that provide peace in Ukraine, it is called surrender and wait while Ruzzia recovers the army for the next invasion, call it Georgia, Ukraine, ... A treaty with Putin is not worth the paper it's written in, a significant degradation of Ruzzias economic means and weapons has some chance of making think twice before the next war.

But honestly, you do not have any argument or logic, you only have slogans, repetition parroting... You simply have a very limited thinking or intellectual span - you are absolutely unable of any kind of second level thought... and we have to live with it on this forum.

Trump's failures are really successes. It's like beauty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It seems that the things that you and the other Deep State people call success is the exact opposite of the freedom loving people of the world.

The people of Ukraine didn't want destruction. That's why many of them left. The rest of them listened to the Zelensky lie and died, or are on their way to death... except if Trump can work peace among them and Russia.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 20, 2024, 01:33:57 AM

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Trump went on to say that he appreciates Zelensky "for reaching out because I, as your next President of the United States, will bring peace to the world and end the war that has cost so many lives and devastated countless innocent families."
[...]

You mean... the same way he failed miserably with North Korea and China? Anyone can say what Trump says, anyone can claim that "war is very bad" - I do not think anyone would disagree (maybe Branko?).

I can strike a deal that provide peace in Ukraine, it is called surrender and wait while Ruzzia recovers the army for the next invasion, call it Georgia, Ukraine, ... A treaty with Putin is not worth the paper it's written in, a significant degradation of Ruzzias economic means and weapons has some chance of making think twice before the next war.

But honestly, you do not have any argument or logic, you only have slogans, repetition parroting... You simply have a very limited thinking or intellectual span - you are absolutely unable of any kind of second level thought... and we have to live with it on this forum.

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The war might last into the beginning of next year. But then Trump will settle it and bring peace... then, if not sooner somehow.

Trump holds 'very good' phone call with Zelensky

https://www.rt.com/news/601372-trump-zelensky-phone-call/
Former US President and Republican candidate in the upcoming elections, Donald Trump, has reiterated his pledge to stop the conflict between Moscow and Kiev following his conversation with Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky on Friday.

Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social that he "had a very good phone call" with Zelensky, during which the Ukrainian politician congratulated him on a "very successful" Republican National Convention and "condemned the heinous assassination attempt."

Trump went on to say that he appreciates Zelensky "for reaching out because I, as your next President of the United States, will bring peace to the world and end the war that has cost so many lives and devastated countless innocent families."
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Perhaps Branko does not want to speak about what happened today in Mykolaiv? While he is busy spreading mud, the Ruzzians have massively attacked the city. All civilian infrastructure ... meaning houses with people.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 19, 2024, 03:58:30 PM

Quote from: Branko on July 19, 2024, 07:19:41 AM

Russians shoveled even more land into their possession:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5GtIQAKPiA

Do not believe Paxmao propaganda saying the opposite

Ok, let's say Paxmao is spreading propaganda. I'm wondering what you're doing, is it not propaganda? And how you can assure that your propaganda is right? I looked at channel that you're posting, nothing surprising that everything here is shown from Russian perspective and it makes difficult to believe in information posted there.

Your 1st post is on page one, Paxmao on page 3, and mine on page 30...simply could not stand so much BS propaganda.
Yes, its one-sided on my side too, but its not me who started it.

This is how Ukraine creates fake news, BTW:

https://t.me/xoxol_uk/25641

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Quote from: Branko on July 19, 2024, 07:19:41 AM

Russians shoveled even more land into their possession:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5GtIQAKPiA

Do not believe Paxmao propaganda saying the opposite

Ok, let's say Paxmao is spreading propaganda. I'm wondering what you're doing, is it not propaganda? And how you can assure that your propaganda is right? I looked at channel that you're posting, nothing surprising that everything here is shown from Russian perspective and it makes difficult to believe in information posted there.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 19, 2024, 11:50:57 AM

^^^ "They never voted in 2014." 2014 wasn't the only year that existed for voting.

Btw, Trump won in 2020. The Presidency was stolen from him by electronic and other manipulation.

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So, Ruzzia invades Crimea and, years after, does a referendum that has no international observers, during a war,... and that is voting and the result is OK and beyond any doubt.

However the US elections, in which there are observers, are pretty much under free scrutiny from press, countries, etc... is... manipulated.

No cognitive dissonance here??

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^^^ "They never voted in 2014." 2014 wasn't the only year that existed for voting.

Btw, Trump won in 2020. The Presidency was stolen from him by electronic and other manipulation.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 19, 2024, 04:18:05 AM

Quote from: paxmao on July 19, 2024, 04:16:11 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 19, 2024, 03:41:03 AM

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It's in the US and Nato's hands. Since they started the war in 2014 by pushing Ukraine to attack the Russian border and slightly inside her... as well as their own people in the Donbass area.

Even if the casualties were about the same number for Ukraine as for Russia, Ukraine troops are essentially all used up. The new troops are from the US and Nato. There isn't really any Ukraine any longer.

Of course, if Ukraine surrendered, Russia would rebuild her, and let the people who fled come back and settle Ukraine again. Russia would even help clean Ukraine of unexploded ordnance.

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You mean ... when NATO annexed Crimea? Huh

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No. I mean when Crimea voted.

If you look at all those former USSR countries, many of them have Russia-loving folks in them... along with US-loving folks. The vote decides.

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They never voted in 2014. See.. you do not even know the basics - but what's worse, you are not interested in knowing it.

What makes it super-funny is that this comes from the guy that still says that Trump won the past elections Grin

Quote from: Branko on July 19, 2024, 07:19:41 AM

Russians shoveled even more land into their possession:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5GtIQAKPiA

Do not believe Paxmao propaganda saying the opposite

Really? you speaking of propaganda? Weeb Union is a well known Ruzzian vlogger - far too biased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_8f1nbDh5o

stopped a month ago.

This guy tends to get the map it right, even if bad news he won't hide it. Pass a few days back and forth and you will see that Ruzzia is retreating under extreme losses.

https://map.ukrdailyupdate.com/?lat=50.295654&lng=36.934061&z=14&d=19922&c=1&l=0

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Russians shoveled even more land into their possession:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5GtIQAKPiA

Do not believe Paxmao propaganda saying the opposite

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Quote from: paxmao on July 19, 2024, 04:16:11 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 19, 2024, 03:41:03 AM

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It's in the US and Nato's hands. Since they started the war in 2014 by pushing Ukraine to attack the Russian border and slightly inside her... as well as their own people in the Donbass area.

Even if the casualties were about the same number for Ukraine as for Russia, Ukraine troops are essentially all used up. The new troops are from the US and Nato. There isn't really any Ukraine any longer.

Of course, if Ukraine surrendered, Russia would rebuild her, and let the people who fled come back and settle Ukraine again. Russia would even help clean Ukraine of unexploded ordnance.

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You mean ... when NATO annexed Crimea? Huh

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No. I mean when Crimea voted.

If you look at all those former USSR countries, many of them have Russia-loving folks in them... along with US-loving folks. The vote decides.

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