Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 21. (Read 73622 times)

Wait, is Putin dead already? I might have missed this. Who's the new tater?

Ah and there we have it, exactly what i was waiting for. Thank you for confirming that we're not just talking about some change in Russia's leadership here, but a complete chaos and another revolution in Russia. And you really bought into that being a "realistic scenario"? Well, sorry to tell you but as you can see it didn't happen, and doesn't look like Russians or Chinese or BRICS really want that to happen. Unbelievable that Ukrainian leadership accepted Nuland's cookies and agreed to spearhead such effort, which Ukrainian citizens are paying dearly for now. If Zelenskyy doesn't negotiate now and will force Ukrainians into this winter selling this hopium of Russia's collapse just because of some ATACMS hitting Russia, polls indicating that we just might see chaos and revolution, but not in Russia. There are no more free escalations here, there's a cost to everything

I'm sure I could find some "western" media sources to contradict your cherries, shit, I could probably find Russian sources for that. Except that doesn't really matter for you, does it?

Here's the reality though. Just within the last year Putin had to kill at least two high-profile opponents, one who had tanks, and one who was rotting in prison seemingly harmless. The gnome is beyond paranoid and doesn't appear to have an actual successor. If he croaks there will be chaos. You seem to have a lot of faith that the war will continue as if nothing happened, even though history, including Russia's own history (e.g. the Afghanistan clusterfuck or Lenin's "revolution") seems to indicate that wars tend to lose priority in case of internal chaos and/or struggle for power.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're young enough to not know any better... happens when a penis potato stays in power for 20+ years.

Did you expect something else?

I don't understand, are Ukrainians being squeezed out of the Kursk region?

Victoria Nuland admits Ukraine and Russia were to sign peace deal, but West prevented it

https://unherd.com/newsroom/victoria-nuland-west-advised-ukraine-to-reject-2022-peace-deal/

You're either delusional, in denial or just propagandist. If it's one of the first two I suggest you educate yourself. Here's some reading from a US think tank Stimson Center to start you off on


All Ukraine has left to hope for is to politically destabilize Russia, and despite your attempts I just don't see any evidence of that happening. There were already explosions in Moscow before, and even Kremlin was hit with a drone, and no one really cared much. Kursk brought some political pressure on Putin but he just brushed it off. Now as we discussed, instead of capturing everything under Seim river, it's turning out the way everyone expected, Ukraine just opened a new front for itself on Russia's land where Russia can use conscripts, results will surprise no one.


Kursk August20 - September11

UA is already guaranteed to have some blackouts during the winter and that's if Russia doesn't hit anymore power plants from now on. It's projected to be the 'Hardest' Winter Yet for Ukraine, and it's about to loose Pokrovsk. EU is bracing for new wave of UA migrants due to blackouts during this winter. And both ultra right and ultra left, who are gaining in Germany, oppose sending military aid to Ukraine. Not to mention Trump etc etc etc... Cheering UA to go into the winter like this is just calling for the additional useless suffering. I don't see any experts even claiming that UA can come out of this winter in a stronger position than it is in now. Zelenskyy is all in on this, he cornered himself in and he cannot back down but others should really not enable this whole no negotiations until we're back to 1991 borders suicidal madness. Negotiating now can just bring us to status quo of 2013, alternatives to negotiating now will not improve UA's position during the winter and can turn truly catastrophic for UA.

Of course Putin's peace plan of an Ukraine surrender is not practical. Ukraine won't do it. Soon they won't exist to surrender or not surrender. So, what's the difference?

^^Agree, Putin's peace plan is a surrender of Ukraine and that is not a realistic option even opening the scenarios to rare events.

Meanwhile, Ukraine understood that is a good moment to strike Moscow and the nearby infrastructure. Airports and power facilities have been hit by drones with a degree of success. If you ask me, hitting Moscow is linked to the issue of Putin being an obstacle to end the war. I think Ruzzians can keep going about the war and Putin's government despite a cracking economy or even if Ukraine invades Kursk. I am not so sure that frequent attacks in sensible parts of the Moscow infrastructure can be overlooked in the same manner.

BTW word is that ATACAMS can now be used against military targets inside Ruzzia. Why not... drones are already doing it.

Ruzzia has started to counter-attack in Kursk - it took a while but it seems that Ruzzia finally figured out they had to do something. Better to have Ruzzia bombing Ruzzia in any case.

The context was "realistic scenario". Your wet dreams about an even more deranged KGBist taking over after Putin don't count.

This is Putin's war. It's useless to most Russians, oligarchs and ordinary alcoholics alike. No, Putin's death doesn't guarantee the war would end, but Putin staying in power guarantees the war will not end (even if Ukraine makes some concessions for some hypothetical peace deal). All other things being equal, Putin's death (whether of natural causes or perhaps suicide in a bunker if the war continues to defy his dreams) is a more realistic chance, small as it may be, at long-term peace, compared to the Z-tarded fantasies of Ukraine just giving up and disappearing off the map.

That's just not true there were many articles analyzing successors in case of Putin's sudden demise and majority concluded that successor would be worse off for Ukraine, some military general or Medvedev. But that just doesn't fit into the narrative of Putin being this madman and a single cause of this conflict, so the hopium that Russia would just fold and run away if Putin dies continues to be spread by propagandists.
If Putin is Overthrown, These Five People Could Replace Him -2022 Newsweek

US accuses China of giving ‘very substantial’ help to Russia’s war machine...Now Washington is unambiguously saying that China is aiding the Russian military.
It's like they don't want freedom cookies and NATO showing up in their sphere of influence, and are challenging the current world order. But that would mean that Ukraine is just a proxy and a collateral damage in this global conflict. I mean yes yes all just one evil madman Putin blah blah blah

The problem for Ukrainians is that they let the US CIA and others influence their thinking. While it is true that the kind of influence used had been thoroughly tested on other nations, and found to work, it was some of the Ukrainian populace that simply didn't think it through.

The smart ones simply couldn't forestall the CIA. After the Orange Revolution, the CIA knew just where to strike. And they talked the Ukraine government into starting the war mostly in 2014, but really before.

When Russia finally decided to put down the warmongering Ukraine in 2022, there wasn't anything that Ukraine could do about it. The smart ones left - emigrated - but the mentally weak ones stayed to fight.


CNN Shared A Glimpse Of Just How Bad Everything Has Become For Ukraine

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cnn-shared-glimpse-just-how-bad-everything-has-become-ukraine
CNN carried out a rare act of journalistic service with their detailed report about how "Outgunned and outnumbered, Ukraine's military is struggling with low morale and desertion". It candidly describes the numerous problems afflicting the Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) at this pivotal moment in the conflict as they continue to occupy part of Kursk but are still losing ground in Donbass. Their story begins by introducing a battalion commander who lost most of the around 800 men under his control.

This figure couldn't take it anymore and thus transferred to a cushy military administrative job in Kiev. He and the five others who CNN spoke to when researching their report informed them that "desertion and insubordination are becoming a widespread problem, especially among newly recruited soldiers."

In the words of one commander, "Not all mobilized soldiers are leaving their positions, but the majority are…They either leave their positions, refuse to go into battle, or try to find a way to leave the army."

The reader is then informed that these troops are forcibly conscripted, thus adding context to why they desert, but they also claimed that morale problems began to infect the armed forces' ranks during the now-resolved impasse over more American aid to Ukraine. While that likely played a role, CNN conspicuously omits to mention last summer's failed counteroffensive, which proved that Ukraine is unable to reconquer its lost lands despite all the hype and the aid that it received up until that point. 

Moving along after having clarified the real reason behind the UAF's plunging morale over the past year, drones have made the battlefield more unbearable than before, and the amount of time between rotations has grown since some troops simply can't leave their positions without risking their lives. CNN then added that "In just the first four months of 2024, prosecutors launched criminal proceedings against almost 19,000 soldiers who either abandoned their posts or deserted".
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The Russians invasion on Ukraine has causes a lot of damages on Ukraine, dew to lack of not enough war equipment on the side of Ukraine. Ukraine has been damage seriously. It has render some people homeless, some fatherless, some motherless and some lost of properties. It has causes Russian and Ukraine send back in progress. My prayers for both of them is to settle the misunderstanding between the two countries.

No, it was after the liberation of part of the city that they hung the flag.

I wonder if my English is bad, or you're dumb?
Anyone?

Sounds like what is happening to Ukraine.       

Nope, the Germans did not take any land and lost the land they started with. I mean, you do know that the Ruzzians, with the help of many Ukrainian soldiers recovered all the land and got themselves to Berlin right?

History does not finish at an arbitrary point of your choice, but I reckon that you and Putin have the same view.... he wants to start peace conversations where he left them before he lost Kharkiv and bases his "rights" in a map from a few centuries ago... You have a lot in common congratulations!  


The cat is a British secret agent.. right Branko?

Reminds me of the early days when Western media was trying to say that Russia had invaded Kiev and was causing carnage until the 'Ghost of Kiev' saved the day.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/vKVLjCxaZSjt

People noticed that much of the footage of great Ukrainian successes came from a small number of streets turned into stage sets and there was one of those stages in Kiev itself.

To bad for Ukraine that the Russians brought a pretty decent set of actual weapons to the State Department's little social media war.  The silver lining is that at least a few of the retarded younger generation learned that reality trumps social media fantasy, but obviously plenty never did.

Edit:  The Ziocons running the Ukraine side are in a situation now where even if Ukraine manages a genuinely impressive feat, most people will not really believe it.  At least not right away.  After getting kicked in the balls by the influences' lies and the Zelensky clown-show so many times, even people who 'stand with Ukraine' must be getting inherently suspicious of 'great news'.  In their own minds anyway.  Maybe not though; lots of them seem pretty thick.

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Actually, they flew drone there with Ukrainian flag, dropped flag, and proclaimed victory, then ran away