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Ukrainian refugees face being sent to Rwanda if they travel to the UK without authorisation, Boris Johnson has said in an escalation of government plans to deport those who travel across the Channel seeking sanctuary.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/23/ukrainians-who-come-to-uk-illegally-could-be-sent-to-rwanda-johnson-says

Biased. This is not specific to Ukraine but to any refugee arriving to UK without a recognised legal status, which in the case of Ukrainians is very rare, as they fix their papers in Europe. It is a policy from BoJo that is currently under several legal challenges and opposed from even inside the UK.

Having said that, it is technically true, but I doubt very much that it would ever be implemented on Ukrainian citizens.
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Ukrainian refugees face being sent to Rwanda if they travel to the UK without authorisation, Boris Johnson has said in an escalation of government plans to deport those who travel across the Channel seeking sanctuary.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/23/ukrainians-who-come-to-uk-illegally-could-be-sent-to-rwanda-johnson-says
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https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y

Curious how the proven gas reserves in Ukraine perfectly match Adolf's Putin plan of invasion. But yeah, sure, the war is because nazis or criminals or Russian culture... F*ck that, this is Putin grabbing gas - and trying to grab the "corridor" skipping Ukraine is just to lay a pipeline that skips Ukraine and dumps their oil & gas right into Eastern Europe.

Again, if the US allows this to happen, I do not see why China would not be next. It is very clear that US has decided that Odessa remains in Ukraine's hands. All that ship sinking over there and the clear capability to strike when and how they wish is a clear warning to Adolf Putin, and I think he got it clear after the Moskva.

Does anyone doubt they could do the same in the Donbas? I think the US plan is to allow Putin to create a couple of statelets as a buffer with NATO and the EU. Once US decides that Putin has the "adequate" amount of land, he will be stopped in his tracks.

This is a war over resources. No wonder Ukraine is fighting hard, they are risking their freedom, their economic future and their existence, and dumbasses here speak of surrendering. Good luck with that.

https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y?t=1876

https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y?t=2092
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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

Don't stay up nights waiting for that.  Sad to have to break it to you, but you've bet on the wrong horse.  You are starting to remind me of those WW-II Japanese soldiers rescued from uninhabited Pacific islands in the 1960's who thought that the war was still going on and the mighty nation of Japan was going to win and they just need to hold out for a little bit longer.

Fact is that from the standpoint of 'Ukrainian' strategy, tactics, logistics, etc, it's kind of hard to come up with a more effective way to get as many racial slavs killed as possible.  Looking at things from the angle of an ethnic cleansing campaign against the slavs mainly by the 'American' (((neo-conservatives))) makes observations from 'the battlefield' fall into place pretty nicely.



Oh, I will not loose my sleep on it. I am not a Russian inexperienced soldier waiting for the real powers of the world to decide if I live or die (and how).

I am not betting on any horse. The US arms industry super happy with people like you: they are going to be selling weapons from Japan to Lithuania growing double digits. Do you think the RF will experience any real "win" (that is, after leaving thousands of Russian bodies fertilising Ukraine's land)? Nah... sanctions are slower than a M777, but the effects are as inevitable and do not have a range limit.

Once again, you are trying to make this about race. It is not, it is about Adolf's Putin government. They guy is nearly 70 and he knows that he has no more than 5 more good years of life. His position in history as of now is that of another despot that did nothing but grab power and cling onto it despising the Russian people and even more other nationalities in the RF.

He wanted to enter history as a conqueror, as a restaurateur of the old USSR glory under the dominance of Moscow. As of now, he is just the leader that send tens of thousands to die for his own mistakes and pathetic ambitions.

Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.
Thank you for worrying about the fate of Russian soldiers, so far everything seems to be fine. A month after the surrender of Azov's militants in Mariupol, it can be said that the Eastern Front has crumbled. Ukraine is losing the battle in the Donbass, and so far no military assistance from the West has been able to change this.

You do not get it. Ukrainians are defending their country. Surrendering and living under a tyrant is not a life option for those who want to live in freedom. I do understand that this concept is completely unknown and beyond your understanding. You have lived your life under a tyrant and you will die knowing that he has decided what and how happens to you all your life. Other people would rather not live all their life like minions.

Your assertion about what you can "the eastern front" is just wishful thinking. A couple of villages do not make for "a front", but glad to see that you are re-calibrating your expectations. I do agree that the west should be throwing much more help to deter Adolf Putin from continuing the war.

Oh, and tell you friend in the RF not to smoke near refineries.






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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

Don't stay up nights waiting for that.  Sad to have to break it to you, but you've bet on the wrong horse.  You are starting to remind me of those WW-II Japanese soldiers rescued from uninhabited Pacific islands in the 1960's who thought that the war was still going on and the mighty nation of Japan was going to win and they just need to hold out for a little bit longer.

Fact is that from the standpoint of 'Ukrainian' strategy, tactics, logistics, etc, it's kind of hard to come up with a more effective way to get as many racial slavs killed as possible.  Looking at things from the angle of an ethnic cleansing campaign against the slavs mainly by the 'American' (((neo-conservatives))) makes observations from 'the battlefield' fall into place pretty nicely.

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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.
Thank you for worrying about the fate of Russian soldiers, so far everything seems to be fine. A month after the surrender of Azov's militants in Mariupol, it can be said that the Eastern Front has crumbled. Ukraine is losing the battle in the Donbass, and so far no military assistance from the West has been able to change this.
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Meanwhile, the cauldron in Gorsky-Zolotoye slammed shut, the report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirms information about the loss of Ukrainian control over the settlements of Loskutovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka. This also creates the prerequisites for the encirclement of Lisichansk.

An the limited EU sanctions (not Lithuania, but EU) in Konigsberg create the conditions for a full blockade or Konigsberg. Yes, that RF port that is open to the Atlantic even in winter.

Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.
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Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.
Lithuania didn't started Kaliningrad blockade like Russia is trying to show. They simply don't allow to transit sanctioned goods through railway of Lithuania, what is normal thing.
For Russia, this does not look normal, like a land blockade of its exclave.


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Meanwhile, the cauldron in Gorsky-Zolotoye slammed shut, the report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirms information about the loss of Ukrainian control over the settlements of Loskutovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka. This also creates the prerequisites for the encirclement of Lisichansk.
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For Russia, this does not look normal, like a land blockade of its exclave.
Blockade... You're trying to show things worse than they are actually are. It doesn't look normal that Russia is trying to bypass sanctions in this way. And they still can deliver stuff to Kaliningrad hrough sea or air.

In general, what would Russia get if they get territory of Baltic states? Do they really need Baltic sea, when they have huge ports in St. Peterburg? Do they have any allies left that have borders in Baltic sea? See no logic in conquering those lands.
They wouldn't be able to benefit from Baltic sea ports when their country is under sanctions. More realistic reason that they want to make land road to Kaliningrad and connect it with Belarus through Suwalki Gap. Now Kaliningrad is landlocked by NATO countries. For example, now planes from Minsk to Kaliningrad are forced to fly through... St. Peterburg:
https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1498748699958198277
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Dron kamikaze from Aliexpress wiped out russian oil refinery.

Epic video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdHIjSFS0s

Maybe you can't understand words (most of them is phrases like "GODDAMMIT motherfucka, epic shit" ) but you can feel emotions of russians from video  Grin

10 seconds before that: "Ukrainian? Of course not."

BTW this buzzing contraption made it 100+ km into Russian-controlled territory. Some general is gonna lose his job when (if?) Putin finds out.

Ukraine cannot confirm nor deny the fact that this was an attack to a legitimate target with a precision drone bought in a "five below" in the US and sent over by regular mail. I repeat, cannot confirm nor deny the price of the drone, the delivery method nor how it was controlled well inside the RF territory.

And now that we have finished with the non-admission non-denial...time for the shit-talk : "in your face Adolf"
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Some general is gonna lose his job when (if?) Putin finds out.

No, this won't happen. Important idea of russian high rulers is that no one not responsible for anything (except some special cases).
The problem, that quite the same shit is also in Ukraine. "no one not responsible for anything" - main idea of post ussr countries.

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Dron kamikaze from Aliexpress wiped out russian oil refinery.

Epic video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdHIjSFS0s

Maybe you can't understand words (most of them is phrases like "GODDAMMIT motherfucka, epic shit" ) but you can feel emotions of russians from video  Grin

10 seconds before that: "Ukrainian? Of course not."

BTW this buzzing contraption made it 100+ km into Russian-controlled territory. Some general is gonna lose his job when (if?) Putin finds out.
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Dron kamikaze from Aliexpress wiped out russian oil refinery.

Epic video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdHIjSFS0s

Maybe you can't understand words (most of them is phrases like "GODDAMMIT motherfucka, epic shit" ) but you can feel emotions of russians from video  Grin
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Russian social media show this situation as Lithuania is preventing Russians to get to Kaliningrad. Other countries social media is throwing the idea, that after Ukraine, Russia will switch to Lithuania or Baltic states, to get access to Baltic sea, and ask NATO should increase military population in Baltic states.

Whoever controls Lithuania seems dead set on somehow getting the Russians to attack them.

Honestly, after NATO's performance both militarily and ethically in ZioNazi Ukraine, there must be a whole lot more people moving to the shit-can NATO frame of mind.  Seems to be all risk/pain and no gain, and especially with piss-ant nobodies like Lithuania trying to goad Russia in an attack which would make every one of them a target.

Was just reading about how one could get out of NATO (if, say, they find themselves being dressed out as a sacrificial lamb.)  It's not super easy or quick.  I wonder if it might be possible to do a quick-n-dirty coup and name-change of the nation in order to expediently bail on the evil organization before it's too late.

In general, what would Russia get if they get territory of Baltic states? Do they really need Baltic sea, when they have huge ports in St. Peterburg? Do they have any allies left that have borders in Baltic sea? See no logic in conquering those lands.

That port still ices up in spite of 'global warming'.  I just read that it had record amounts of ice a few years ago.  Of course this makes perfect sense in the 'science' of 'climate change', but just like the emperor and his new clothes, only 'real scientists' can understand it.

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Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.
Lithuania didn't started Kaliningrad blockade like Russia is trying to show. They simply don't allow to transit sanctioned goods through railway of Lithuania, what is normal thing.
Now you're saying that Russia needs these territories for their territorial integrity and self-identity, but didn't you said some time ago that Russia don't need other territories as they have enough their own land? And following your logic which you apply to Crimea and territory with Russian speaking majority, Kaliningrad isn't even Russian land, what Russia are doing there?

Russian social media show this situation as Lithuania is preventing Russians to get to Kaliningrad. Other countries social media is throwing the idea, that after Ukraine, Russia will switch to Lithuania or Baltic states, to get access to Baltic sea, and ask NATO should increase military population in Baltic states.

In general, what would Russia get if they get territory of Baltic states? Do they really need Baltic sea, when they have huge ports in St. Peterburg? Do they have any allies left that have borders in Baltic sea? See no logic in conquering those lands.
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Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.
Lithuania didn't started Kaliningrad blockade like Russia is trying to show. They simply don't allow to transit sanctioned goods through railway of Lithuania, what is normal thing.
For Russia, this does not look normal, like a land blockade of its exclave.

Now you're saying that Russia needs these territories for their territorial integrity and self-identity, but didn't you said some time ago that Russia don't need other territories as they have enough their own land?
Exclaves are not a problem for Russia as long as good partnerships are maintained with neighboring states. Ukraine and the Baltic States are infected with Nazism and cultivate Russophobia - this exacerbates the issue of a land corridor to Kaliningrad and Crimea. I think this issue will be resolved.

And following your logic which you apply to Crimea and territory with Russian speaking majority, Kaliningrad isn't even Russian land, what Russia are doing there?
There are historical reasons why the Kaliningrad region is part of Russia, and they are quite reasonable. This is not a matter of logic, but a fait accompli.

Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

I agree, they should give Königsberg back to Germany. This would solve the transit problem.
Secretary of the Russian Security Council Patrushev flew to Kaliningrad yesterday for a scheduled off-site meeting of the Security Council, but the issue of surrendering Koenigsberg to Germany is unlikely to be on the agenda. From Kaliningrad, the whole of Europe is very conveniently shot through by Iskanders. Although it is all shot through from the Caspian Sea with Calibers, but nonetheless. Grin

Strong ruble is bad for export, which is all that Russia really has (oil/gas). It would be good for import but most imports are under sanctions.

This is part of the reason why ruble is rising - very few businesses in Russia need foreign currency anymore. And there are restrictions on moving it.

In Soviet Union the ruble was "equal" to about 1.5 USD. We (well, except Branko and be.open and a few other purveyors of Kremlinism) know how that ended.
But look how beautiful - we are now witnessing the energy suicide of Europe. In the Netherlands, three mothballed coal-fired thermal power plants have already been launched. In Germany, gas-intensive production is under threat of stopping and ceasing to exist. In the summer, there is no injection, but the consumption of gas from underground storage facilities. Russia will suffer some discomfort from Western sanctions, but what margin of safety does Europe have?

Unstoppable? More like a Ponzi scheme at interest rates between 11 and 20 lately. You see, once again you are looking only at the information that somehow proves you point. You can support the Rouble by raising the interest rates, but you will have to print a plenty to pay for that. But hey, by all means, sell whatever you have and buy Roubles. Are you doing it now? Ah... it feels different when is your money and not just a post uh?
You better follow the Ukrainian hryvnia, the key rate there is now 25%. Grin
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This is part of the reason why ruble is rising

Another reason is the conversion of EUR to RUB for the gas sales, gas, and oil prices as you all know went through the roof, but why is this being discussed in the first place? this whole thing seems to be setting up for a long-term semi-cold war, Russia can't attack NATO and NATO can't attack Russia (the blessing or otherwise curse of nukes), the west imposed all sanctions they could afford, and Russia played their gas/oil card, it seems like both are running out of cards.

Eventually, all that will matter would be food and energy, it doesn't matter if your currency is worth 100x the other currency when you can't eat, it seems like the Russians are well prepared for this long-term war, Russia is food and energy independent so even if their economic collapses - they can still eat and have a warm winter, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) the other side of the war isn't as independent.

I tend to believe that the west's plan is to provoke Russia and get it out of this current situation which seems to be favoring them, Kaliningrad is the first card they played, and more to come, eventually, they will have to sit down and talk, but as it stands, it doesn't seem like they have anything to offer to the Russians, so the plan is to find something to negotiate for.

In the end, Ukraine will need to sacrifice the Donbass region, Russia won't recover from the sanctions, and will be in deep shit when EU stops buying their gas in a few years, Biden won't run for president, Putin will be great hero to the brainwashed Russians, EU countries will start chasing Ukrainian refugees and sending them back to what's left from Ukraine, the world will move on and forget about Donbass like how they forgot about Crimea, they will forget about all the innocent souls that were killed in Ukraine, just like the hunderds of thousands the Russian killed in Chechnya or the Americans killed in Iraq.

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Unstoppable? More like a Ponzi scheme at interest rates between 11 and 20 lately. You see, once again you are looking only at the information that somehow proves you point. You can support the Rouble by raising the interest rates, but you will have to print a plenty to pay for that. But hey, by all means, sell whatever you have and buy Roubles. Are you doing it now? Ah... it feels different when is your money and not just a post uh?

Strong ruble is bad for export, which is all that Russia really has (oil/gas). It would be good for import but most imports are under sanctions.

This is part of the reason why ruble is rising - very few businesses in Russia need foreign currency anymore. And there are restrictions on moving it.

In Soviet Union the ruble was "equal" to about 1.5 USD. We (well, except Branko and be.open and a few other purveyors of Kremlinism) know how that ended.
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Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.
Lithuania didn't started Kaliningrad blockade like Russia is trying to show. They simply don't allow to transit sanctioned goods through railway of Lithuania, what is normal thing.
Now you're saying that Russia needs these territories for their territorial integrity and self-identity, but didn't you said some time ago that Russia don't need other territories as they have enough their own land? And following your logic which you apply to Crimea and territory with Russian speaking majority, Kaliningrad isn't even Russian land, what Russia are doing there?

Ruble struggle? LOL
More like unstoppable

https://www.investing.com/currencies/usd-rub

LOL, unstoppable. You see what do you want to see. Price of ruble is so artifficial that it can't be more obvious. And these measures to keep ruble strong will affect Russia in longer distance;
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-economy-is-tankingbut-the-ruble-is-soaring-11653559916
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