This is interesting (i mean anthropological interest) russian propaganda take: west will fight against russia till last ukrainian.
Why it's interesting? Mostly because it shows ukrainians as some kind of brainless animals - 1
And second, more important point is that russians bombing ukrainian cities, killing ukrainian people, raping ukrainian women, stealing ukrainian goods. And then they like "oh, why ukrainians fighting??? Because The West tell them to do so" [...]
You have brought up many topics that I would like to comment on in detail. For ease reading, I will divide your post into several paragraphs.
1. "This is interesting (i mean anthropological interest) russian propaganda take: west will fight against russia till last ukrainian".Despite your objection, some experts are of the opinion about the "War of the West to the last Ukrainian" not only in Russia, but also in the United States and China, so this statement is not correct to call a "Russian propaganda take".
SourceUS president Joe Biden at a meeting with employees of the American military plant Lockheed Martin
said:
"You’re making it possible for the Ukrainian people to defend themselves, without us having to risk
getting into a third world war by sending in American soldiers fighting Russian soldiers".
There was also a
Twitter post from American Congressman Dan Crenshaw, who liked the idea of fighting Russia with someone else's hands, while saving the lives of American soldiers.
According to
Bloomberg, three British ministers are deliberately fomenting conflict in Ukraine. About any interests of Ukrainians there is not even a question.
"Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Foreign Minister Liz Truss and Defense Minister Ben Wallace
have all sought in the war in Ukraine a boost to their political fortunes. [...]
The problem is that Johnson is effectively stoking a war in which the UK is not a combatant.
Instead, Ukrainians are fighting and dying, and their country is being devastated and depopulated.
Johnson’s departure from office wouldn’t reduce the risk of adventurism.
On the contrary, Truss and Wallace — his two most likely successors —
have decided that rhetoric even more bellicose than Johnson’s will also advance their careers".
Here is
another opinion from Charles Freeman - this is an American military diplomat, a former assistant secretary of defense of the United States.
"Zielensky is obviously a very intelligent man and he saw what the consequences of being
put in what he called limbo would be – namely Ukraine would be hung out to dry and the west was
basically saying we will fight to the last Ukrainian for Ukrainian independence,
which essentially remains our stand. It’s pretty cynical despite all the patriotic fervor".
Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng:
"Some major country, in contrast, has contributed nothing to the peace talks but maneuvered
to use the crisis to weaken Russia and fight Russia to the “last Ukrainian”. Apparently, what they care about
is not peace talks or ceasefire, nor the life and safety of the Ukrainian people. They only want to use Ukraine
as “cannon fodder” to wear Russia down and sacrifice Ukrainian lives to achieve their own hegemonic ambition
and geostrategic goals".
On June 15, 2022, one of the Ukrainian president advisers, David Arakhamia,
reported catastrophic losses among Ukrainian soldiers. A few days before that, the Head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Oleksiy Reznikov
admitted that even after being pumped with Western weapons, Ukraine is not able to fully resist Russia, and this despite the fact that only 15% of the entire Russian army is currently involved in Ukraine. Therefore, this is not a Russian propaganda take at all, but the policy of the Ukrainian government, urged on by the West. Despite the fact that Ukraine, even with the help of Western weapons and financial injections, has no way to defeat Russia (confirmations:
1,
2,
3), it still continues to drive people to slaughter in a conflict that was initially losing for Ukraine.
2. "Why it's interesting? Mostly because it shows ukrainians as some kind of brainless animals".Not all the people of Ukraine, but specifically President Volodymyr Zelensky and his advisers, behave like crazy animals, or rather, like monkeys with a grenade.
Many Ukrainians believed President Volodymyr Zelensky in 2019 when he
promised to end the military conflict in Donbas. However, Zelensky, thinking about support from NATO, broke his promise and instead of a peaceful settlement, on the contrary, in every possible way provoked an even greater aggravation of the conflict with Russia. Zelensky refused to comply with the
Minsk agreements.
Before taking office as president of Ukraine, the most Zelensky managed was a humorous show. While Russia is the
second army of the world and, according to Ukraine and many other European countries, Russia is an extremely warlike country, nevertheless, Zelensky literally
laughed at Putin’s words about the Minsk agreement and provoked Moscow’s retaliatory aggression in every possible way. Zelensky insisted that Ukraine be accepted into NATO, and on February 19, 2022, he
announced that Ukraine would revise the Budapest Memorandum on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons. This was probably the last straw of patience in the Kremlin. Judge for yourself what is the fate of nuclear weapons in a state where there are recognized neo-Nazis from the Azov Battalion, which is officially part of the National Guard of Ukraine. Moreover, according to US congressmen, the Azov battalion is
associated with terrorist attacks in the US, and the US Congress has
banned the supply of weapons to this battalion.
3. "And second, more important point is that russians bombing ukrainian cities..."About two weeks ago, the Pentagon
demanded from Kiev that the supplied American MRL's be placed either in the depths of the front or in cities. It seems that the US military command doesn't think at all what kind of threat their orders create for civilians living in cities.
There were also revelations from Zelensky's advisers -
Arestovich,
Podolyak that the Ukrainian army purposefully seeks to defend itself in cities, because Russians "fight badly" in cities, unlike open spaces.
The Ukrainian command is well aware that military equipment is a priority target for Russian troops. But all the same, according to the precepts of NATO, treating their own citizens as a human shield, they order heavy weapons to be located in residential areas.
4. "... killing ukrainian people"On the
UN website, civilians of Donetsk, who are now being shelled by Ukrainian artillery, are also attributed to the number of dead civilians of Ukraine. In Donetsk now there is no military equipment and warehouses with weapons, but Ukrainian artillery fire at any civilian infrastructure (
market,
maternity hospital,
kindergarten,
residential areas, etc.). It was found out that the blows were delivered from the side of Avdeevka with the help of French and American
155 mm caliber guns. Why does Kiev continue to order its military to shoot at peaceful Ukrainian citizens in the Donbass?
One more moment. There are geniuses who say that these shots are fired by the Russian army. Just think for a minute what the soldiers of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic and all the inhabitants from there would do with the Russian army, if this were really confirmed. Such provocateurs still apparently "think" that the inhabitants of Donetsk and Luhansk have not learned in eight years to determine from whose side the shells are flying towards them and from which weapons they were fired.
5. "... raping ukrainian women"The rape of not only women, but also children, men, old people (en masse) was covered by the Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova. She was dismissed from her post on May 31, 2022, with the
wording: "The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine".
The dismissed Lyudmila Denisova
admitted a little later that she talked about terrible things when she saw the fatigue of European countries from Ukraine and therefore Denisova wanted to push the Western powers to make decisions that Ukraine needed.
I consider it necessary to clarify: I am not saying that such cases could not have happened at all, but it was precisely those stories that Denisova spread that were not confirmed by the investigative committee of Ukraine.
When the former Ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova testified to the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office, she repeatedly stated that information about the city and names of the victims was confidential, and many of the victims had already left Ukraine. In fact, this is a rather delusional explanation on the part of Denisova, because in this way you can accuse anyone of anything.
If on our forum a user reports provocative, but at the same time unverified information that discredits the reputation of another user (for example, accuses of theft), then DT can often prescribe a red trust for such actions. However, what Denisova was doing was not just slander, but international information terrorism, because she accused Russian soldiers of inhuman violence and murder without evidence. Even during the open information war with Russia, the reports from the lips of the official representative of Ukraine were perceived by many people as truthful, while Denisova was only retelling stories from some unnamed persons who do not bear any responsibility in case of false testimony.
It also needs to be said that information about unconfirmed rapes by Russian soldiers (
1,
2,
3,
4) to Lyudmila Denisova came from the "psychologist" Alexandra Kvitko, who is the
youngest daughter of Lyudmila Denisova.
6. "... stealing ukrainian goods"How many criminal cases have been opened in Ukraine about looting by Russian soldiers? I'm not talking about news channels, but specifically about the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies, which are obliged to engage in such investigations.
Many Ukrainians still sincerely believe that Russian soldiers, who receive from $4,000 a month, steal all sorts of household rubbish like washing machines, TVs, and even toilet bowls, risking their lives and the possibility of getting under a military tribunal for looting and desertion (otherwise, how can these things be to smuggle without escaping from the front?). This is despite the fact that the standard of living in Ukraine is
lower than in Russia.
Now information is spreading around the world very quickly. Therefore, representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine must report to the whole world the numbers of criminal cases, data on Russian soldiers suspected of stealing, whom the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine is officially looking for, so that they are known everywhere.
7. "And then they like "oh, why ukrainians fighting??? Because The West tell them to do so".In the modern information world, history is not written by the winners, but by those who own the media. I think few people will argue that in the Western world news channels are mainly owned by pro-American political forces, which of all countries in recent years have made the most efforts to pump weapons into Ukraine. What is the benefit of this military conflict for the United States? In recent months, the profits of the American military-industrial complex have increased significantly, Europe is reducing the purchase of Russian gas in favor of more expensive, American liquefied gas. While US officials demand that other countries stop buying Russian oil, at the same time, Russian oil imports to the US, on the contrary,
have increased. The Biden government blames Vladimir Putin for the US financial crisis. Just take a closer look at the actions of the main beneficiary of this conflict and for whose interests the Ukrainian soldiers are now fighting. After all, propaganda is not only Russian, but also American, English, German and even Ukrainian. Why in the Kherson region, which surrendered without a fight to the Russian army, now you don’t hear about a fierce partisan movement, and also think about why the Armed Forces of Ukraine interfere with the work of cellular communications and the Internet in Kherson, perhaps the residents of the city
could tell more than what they usually say on public Ukrainian information channels.
