Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 276. (Read 77388 times)

I agree, they should give Königsberg back to Germany. This would solve the transit problem.

Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.

I think everyone are fed up with Russia and Ukraine, and like with covid - people move on, adopt to new world and continue living. Everyone tried to help, but now everyone are back to their own problems. Dont know how to better describe the situation with social media, but rarely I see war related articles on the first lines. Either propaganda has ended, or people had enough of it and news feed them with other problems.

"On Lithuania" - is Russia really that much interested in those Baltic states? Seems that these three small countries has nothing interesting, no resources, no strategic valuable territory, technology. They only resource they have is people.

Yes, all that is left if for the RF army to recognise that they simply cannot threaten their neighbours as they used to, for Adolf Putin stop sending their young people to serve as targeting practice for the HIMARS and the M777 and keep whatever is left of their "fleet" in the Black Sea. I do not think that Adolf Putin is particularly good at understanding change, so it will take a few more thousands of young RF soldiers serving as worms habitats to get to the same point he was two months ago. Unless Europe or US get tired and send proper weaponry and support, then his own career and his life would be at stake.

On Lithuania, well, again this is Adolf Putin pretending to rule around his neighbours. It is becoming much more difficult, uh? Despite the "amazing" performance of the RF armed orcs - or maybe because of it.

Do you think that Adolf Putin, known what he now knows, would have gone into this war? I doubt it.

It seems that the topic of Ukraine has already pretty tired everyone, and now all the attention of the politically active world community is riveted to the Suwalki Gap.

"Any Lithuanian intervention looks like a brazen rejection of the agreements that Russia concluded when Lithuania joined NATO." - there is nothing funnier than the demands of Russia, which has violated all the agreements, that it is possible to comply with the agreements signed with it. The time has come for Russia to get back what they regularly allowed themselves. Now everyone has the right to spit on agreements with Russia, and ignore any squeals and tantrums from Russia. Or maybe a bald parody of the Fuhrer will decide to attack a NATO country? Oh don't tell me and the whole world!




Well, judging by the plans - and Russia will follow the USSR - to the dustbin of history, those idiots were also waiting for the collapse of the United States and the collapse of the dollar. And they also artificially lowered the value of the dollar to 68 kopecks. Well, where is this USSR? Russia will soon be there too ...

So much wishful thinking on this thread... "when NATO disappears...", "when Poland invades Ukraines...", "when the RF wins...", "when RF circumvents sanctions...", "when China does this and that..."

This is becoming fantasyland, while people flee the RF by the hundreds of thousands, loose their jobs on western firms that close, see the Rouble struggle, see the EU starting a de-coupling process, see weapons sent to Ukraine...

How feeble are "predictions" when compared to the hard facts pointing exactly in the opposite direction. Is like Adolf Putin in the "World Economic Forum of St Petersburg" (chuckle) saying that RF economy is stable and going well... Following to the letter Sun Tzu's "when you are weak, try to appear strong" once more, with the problem being that the bluff has been called.

The Kaliningrad thing is interesting for sure.  I've had (for years) a spider-sense that this (and the entrance through Turkish controlled territory to the Black Sea) were major potential flash-points.

Interference of any sort by Lithuania seems to be a bald-faced abandonment of the agreements which Russia made when Lithuania joined NATO.

It is about as clear as day that the installed leadership(*) of the U.S. are hell-bent on getting a war going with Russia at any cost.  The most rational reason for this would be that they are dedicated to finally imploding the U.S..  Such a thing 'must happen' in order to align with certain religious texts and intellectual interpretations of them.  From a completely non-secular political frame of reference, only one thing can sit on the top of a pyramid, and to achieve that position, the one which is there already must be displaced.

Seems in other news about this event, Russia is making noise about a tit-for-tat response to the Lithuanian (supposed) action.  I'm somewhat surprised at this response, and figure that it may be another expression of high-level game-play on the part of Putin...best to keep your opponent off-balance and making invalid inferences after all.

I think that what I would do in Russia's situation would be to announce that they consider a swath of present-day Lithuania to be Russian territory and they do intend to take it once the time is right.  A much wider swath necessary to ensure security will also be arranged (hopefully politically), and it will likely include parts of Poland.  The more resistance (up to and including the time of the taking) the better because the wider will be the swath(s)...maybe even as wide as the entire Baltic states combined

Key would be for Russia to say that for now, nothing changes.  They'll work around the illegal blockage in a variety of ways while they wait for the U.S. and EU to collapse and for NATO to dissolve with the goal being to minimize loss of life and avoid WW-III.  This as a humanitarian gesture and favor to the rest of the earth since they seem to be the only adults in the room at the moment.  Hopefully that will change in the not too distant future.  Maybe just one cold winter if it even gets that far.

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Even if he is right, nobody knows for sure that it won't take a year to happen. Look at all the predictions from the past that Bitcoin would crash. If this is the crash now, think of how long some people have had to wait for their prophesy to come true.

An interesting view from a russian asset who happened to be in Ukraine the day before the russian invasion and spread russian narratives about a fascist police state for some time? I bet it is.

My question is, what will happen to Bitcoin when Biden pushes us into all-out war with Russia?

The price of Bitcoin got down to under $18,000 like a day ago or two. It's back up to $20,500. What will happen when a million of our guys are drafted and start receiving military minimum wage? Bitcoin back up? Or down further? Will people get scared enough that they start dropping Bitcoin? Or will they buy as a hedge against a potential failure of the USD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQB7uWuWpBw

Interesting view

I don't know, it still doesn't make sense why Ukraine would need to do it. In recent weeks Ukraine losing 100-200 soldiers every day, it's huge number, it's difficult to imagine that at same time they would want to provoke Russia to attack them in another direction.
In your link Putin said that they don't want to turn cities that they ''liberate'' into another Stalingrad, though, they already did it with Mariupol.
Actions of Russia don't always have logic. I don't know who exactly did it, Russia or DPR, but im general it's same stuff. No idea why they are doing it. Maybe DPR are doing it in order to get more help from Russia and that they would intensify actions against Ukraine. And I'm not saying that Ukraine didn't shell Donetsk.

It is curious that you use a wall of text to hide that the argument is simplistic and is just non-sensical crap from the  beginning.

"Ukraine is  fighting because the US is telling them to fight and providing weapons". - Thus, Ukrainians do not have a mind of their own. They cannot choose.

No, sorry, they have made a choice. They could surrender or leave the country, but they took the most courageous one: fighting an army with vast resources to defend their homeland from the Orc army of Adolf Putin because they would rather not be ruled from Moscow.

Also, US should not send weapons to Ukraine, because Ukraine would not fight without weapons - that is, so that Ukraine can be invaded by Adolf Putin without being able to put up a fight. In what fu*ked uo mind is that acceptable? Would that same people accept the "solution" if they were invaded by China? We all know the answer.

An this comes exactly from the same people that say that the solution to violence and mass shootings in US schools is not controlling the guns, but also arming the teachers. Ironic uh?

The argument is so stupid that it can only be digested by the dumbest of the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers and that guy that writes on this thread UIT (under influence of Trumpism). Even most US republicans, despite being mostly absorbed like moths by Donald Grump, can tell this crap.

You aren't professional enough, johhnyPropaganda. Go follow Tokyo Rose for a whiole and see how it is really done.

You're right, Projection

Russians had lost free speech long time ago, since 1998 i think). Soooo. Russians truly believe that there can be no opinion not agreed with a higher ruler.

Here is quote from the channel of saint petersburg's literature translator:
"Пoтoмy чтo pyccкaя гoлoвa имeннo тaк вoт и ycтpoeнa: ecть кyльтypa — знaчит, ecть нaчaльник кyльтypы, кoтopый pyкoвoдит кyльтypoй и вoт eщё квapтиpы выдaёт." https://t.me/RottenKepkenChannel/16323

Translation: Russian brain works in such way: If culture exists, then the boss of the culture exists for sure. He manages culture and can give you a house or can take it back

It can be considered as a joke, but in reality it works as it said.

The logic is very simple - Ukraine now really needs some kind of significant military victory over Russia, so that the flow of military aid from the West will increase significantly and not dry up at all. And for this, to provoke Russia into a suicidal assault on the powerful fortified areas in Avdiivka is a good enough idea. Yesterday, at an economic forum in St. Petersburg, Putin said that a direct assault on Avdiivka is not expedient (in other words, Russia cannot afford it now).

Now, in response, explain what logic Russia has to shell the residential areas of Donetsk, when the DPR is an ally of Russia in this operation and the main goal of Russia is to protect the Donbass?

You still don't get the whole "freedom of speech" thing. People in the West are allowed to peddle Putin's propaganda. That doesn't make it any more credible.


Not quite the same thing, is it though?


Opinion piece. It's disingenuous to say "according to Bloomberg". Not that it would matter - see above - but it's a typical Kremlin propaganda trick ("XYZ newspaper stated" -> newspaper published an opinion piece; "it was said in US Congress" -> one congressperson said something, etc). It may impress Russian population conditioned with one party, no opposition, no free press, where everything that's allowed to be published must be official government position, but it's meaningless on this site. Just give it up already.


Yeah there are even videos of launch-impact within seconds, obviously from Russian/DNR side into Donetsk for some inexplicable reason. TBH it doesn't make sense just like Russian accusations of Ukrainians bombing their own hospitals/theaters/etc didn't make sense, so I don't even know what to make of it. Maybe some forcibly-drafted no-military-experience DNRians are clueless at what they're doing and just shelling in random directions.

Is like if RF needed any provoking at this stage. RF should by now facing the fact that they are already inflicting as much damage as it is possible with conventional weapons, including some banned ones.

This was is ongoing than to high oil prices and purchases from China and India. US may get into recession, UK will get into recession and large parts of Europe may as well. This means that oil demand can drop. I do not think the RF can sustain this economic effort for a long time.

What's the point for Ukraine would be to provoke Russia to attack Avdiivka? I really can't understand such logic.