Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 277. (Read 73954 times)

Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine.

Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine.

As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems.

On the Geneva convention, Ukraine has declared to be abided to it on regards to PoWs.


Yes, it does say a lot, to be precise that I do not believe in nor give a camel's ass for the legitimacy and fairness of a trial in a country that does not exist, with a tribunal that is not legitimate and a law that is wet paper when Adolf Putin decides it does not serve his purposes. That is exactly what it says.

Re tortures and other allegations... well, you could try to prove it but the RF has stopped the work of the people who investigate so... your "word" and the RF censored media senseless talk to be taken again for it.

And once again, this is not about me supporting anything outside the rules of war, is about Adolf Putin killing with a fake trial PoWs, which in turn puts at risk the RF captured soldiers.


I have to admire you for trying to make sense of this dude's allegations. Careful with that prefrontal lobe.

e.g. "Did the security council admonish Putin?" - RF is a permanent member of the SC and has veto power. Either the guy does not know or thinks other do not know.


And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars.

Unfortunately you are right. I think this is the case when you can not clean the cesspool and not get dirty with shit yourself.

All in all, I don't understand why there is so much fuss about a few foreign mercenaries who have managed to get under the show whipping (which they probably deserved by their actions). Let me remind you that a couple of weeks ago in Kyiv, Russian soldier Vadim Shishimarin was sentenced to life imprisonment. Why shouldn't those who like to remember the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War remember this episode, when a prisoner of war was convicted by a civil court? Why tantrum after the usual symmetrical response? Or does someone here naively think that some other verdict awaits the Azov militants captured in Mariupol?

You funny. You can consider whatever you want, just make sure such "considerations" won't apply to NATO

‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’

So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries.

On the Wagner thing, I have to say that making use of them undercuts the Russian excuse for their Ukraine actions as being based on ethical principles, and 'de-nazification' in particular (which I've never put much stock in anyway.)  I've never heard anyone claim that these Wagner personnel are any 'better' than the average mercenary group, and nobody puts up much of a denial that straight-up neo-nazi influences exist in at least some of them.

Whether these cretins moon-light in human trafficking and that sort of thing like the the West's preferred PMCs (e.g., Erik Prince's outfits), I do not know.  Haven't researched it much, but it would surprise me if they did _not_.

The way I'm seeing the problem of Ukraine and Russian I don't think that the problem been something that end any moment from this period. If time is not taken Ukraine will you lose everything they have because of this problem because it is quite clear that Russian is stronger than Ukraine but we need it the intervention of world power to solve the problem between the two countries and if everybody or every country ignore to reconcile the problem that is ongoing between Russia and Ukraine it will cause disaster in both countries

Whoa, bite your tongue! With such criteria, you're labeling all those blokes from US and NATO during all those "operations" mercenaries? Careful, don't bite the hand that feeds you,  they're the ones that are literally paying the bills for all of this now, wouldn't want to upset them. Need to come up with a more hypocritical two-faced clever criteria, like you're a mercenary if you get paid.*

*Unless you're part of an alliance that starts with NAT*  

Here are two sites:

https://www.newsfromtheperimeter.com/home/2022/5/11/russia-started-the-war-and-other-fallacies

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/is-russia-part-of-the-un-and-what-is-article-51-of-the-un-charter-3584587

Do your own search to find many more.

https://europerenaissance.com/2022/03/01/putin-is-right-united-nations-charter-51/

Did the UN Security Counsel admonish Putin?

Must be some Russian knock-off version of UN that "approved" it. Don't be shy, give us the link to the Kremlin conspiratard blog that fed you this bullshit.

Russia is only doing an UN approved police action, same as the US has been doing around the world for decades. That's why the US isn't becoming formally involved this time, even though they are handing over all kinds of money and armament to the Ukraine on the sly.

Do you think those police actions were something that the people of many of those countries loved? Of course not. They died for their rebellious activities, just like what's happening to Ukraine.

Here's what some American soldiers think about all the police actions they were forced into on behalf of the UN police-keeping policies. Don't blame Russia that they are being forced into doing the same things. Rather, back off and listen-to/obey Mother Russia.

The following video is kinda old.

Norwegian Soldiers Lip Sync to "Kosovo" - MUST SEE! [CC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8Iotgll8A

Ha ha Edward Luttwak, by himself, told pretty the sama things as me here:



And this fact tells us that such users as Veleor are close enough to russian propaganda machine (or useful idiot)

I don’t understand why you are focusing on the Geneva Convention, although neither Russia nor Ukraine have signed or ratified it, and for these countries the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War is a legally insignificant document.

I have a question that you don't have to answer, but I'll ask it. Have you read the text of this convention, which has already been repeatedly mentioned?

It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation",  so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.

So, DaRude trying to tell us that if Ukraine will sentence to death russian soldiers it will be good. Understood

Again, about "denazificators":

Translation: "I don't believe in anything, I'm here to do violence"

Patch of the dead Wagner merc. At least this one will not be able "to do violence" anymore.

Unless it's a civil war, isn't there always going to be one side made up of entirely foreign fighters?  Does the geneva convention really exclude prisoners of war from human rights depending on what country their passport is from?  That doesn't make sense to me. 

It looks like we both know who the most powerful person in the world is and it's not Zelensky. If Putin has enough power to impose a Putin tax on food and gas in the US, as Joe Biden said yesterday, of course he can influence anything - including the fate of two Englishmen and one Moroccan. I don't think the death sentence will be carried out, don't worry about it.

There is logic in your words and I think you are right. The soldier of the Russian army, who serves under the contract, is also in a sense a mercenary. It's not a problem to be a mercenary in itself, it only becomes a problem if you were taken prisoner in the DPR and you have some strange passport in an incomprehensible language with you.

I'd be careful challenging independence on the grounds of being sustained thanks to other nation's money and weaponry.

We’re almost out of ammunition and relying on western arms, says Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/were-almost-out-of-ammunition-and-relying-on-western-arms-says-ukraine



https://web.archive.org/web/20220609211642/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html


As far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there?

Is this social media rumor/russian propaganda what you're talking about?  Where Ukraine told the UK that it did not intend to follow the GC anymore?




Russian media and social media users are claiming that Ukraine has refused to comply with the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Citing Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the head of the Russian National Defense Control Center, RIA Novosti claims that on April 1 Ukraine allegedly notified the UK that it had no intention of adhering to the Geneva convention when it comes to treatment of Russian prisoners of war.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-revokes-the-geneva-convention/

"independent state" LOL

How about getting out of independent states and stop fueling the war, can the great commander slash forever president do that?

Big on independence when it suits him, except doesn't recognize the right to exist of about a dozen independent countries.

A mercenary is still a soldier IMHO. They can be war criminals or even terrorists if they do not play by the rules, but that is related to their actions, not to their origin nor to the fact that they get paid - if you think of it, the RF soldiers get paid, are they not mercenaries? Are they not going to a foreign country to wage war and die just to steal territory and goods from Ukraine?

I don't know Ukraine laws good enough, but I'm not sure that person with Ukrainian citizenship can serve in Ukraine Army. Any way, it doesn't changes fact that they're regular part of Ukraine Army. It's not same as to serve in foreign legion or mercenary.

On paper he don't have such power, but reality is a bit different. And it's fun to hear that Putin dodn't have power over Supreme Court of ''sovereign country, but at the same time he want to change path of sovereign country (Ukraine) and occupy as much as possible territory of it.