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Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?

Remember back when Russia invaded all of Ukraine and tried to "decapitate the government"?  

Remember how everyone, including Western media and most or all posters in this thread, including myself thought it would not take long for Russia to accomplish their objectives?

Remember how, after failing to take the capital quickly, they spent weeks trying to encircle Kyiv?  

Remember how you thought they were intentionally not completely surrounding it to allow civilians to leave and "all who remained and did not lay down their weapons would be destroyed" and "it would be foolish to think otherwise"?

Remember how you were sure there would be a parade in Russian controlled Kyiv on victory day?

Remember how during all of this, Putin made a new law making it illegal to even call the war a war, because that would imply Ukraine posed some sort of threat to Russian soldiers?

Remember what happened after all that?  How Russia had to retreat, the flag ship of the Russian Navy was sunk, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers were killed, and even Russian bloggers imbedded with the military that normally relay the State approved propaganda began criticizing the stupid decisions being made by those in charge?

I think that's what he means.

I still do not understand. Any good winning strategy must be flexible so as not to depend on any particular tactical setback. Putin certainly has a very good, flexible and winning strategy in Ukraine. Even if events do not develop according to the scenario that you yourself have come up with, and does not fit into the time frame that you have set for yourself. I have already said above and I will repeat now - time works for Russia. Russia can well afford to advance slowly, grinding Ukrainian reinforcements approaching the front with artillery from a safe distance and destroying military equipment supplies from the West. Russia may well allow even to stop the advance completely and spend the winter to look at developments on the economic front - how Europe will react to the shortage of gas and food. A special operation is not a sprint, but a marathon. We're in the second phase of the operation now, and there could be a dozen of them. There is a high probability that the operation will not end in Ukraine and Russia will also have to demilitarize and denazify the Baltic States, Finland and Poland - their rhetoric towards Russia has been very aggressive lately.

The operation will not end until this map is restored. Run to Siberia now, lol.

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Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?

Remember back when Russia invaded all of Ukraine and tried to "decapitate the government"?  

Remember how everyone, including Western media and most or all posters in this thread, including myself thought it would not take long for Russia to accomplish their objectives?

Remember how, after failing to take the capital quickly, they spent weeks trying to encircle Kyiv?  

Remember how you thought they were intentionally not completely surrounding it to allow civilians to leave and "all who remained and did not lay down their weapons would be destroyed" and "it would be foolish to think otherwise"?

Remember how you were sure there would be a parade in Russian controlled Kyiv on victory day?

Remember how during all of this, Putin made a new law making it illegal to even call the war a war, because that would imply Ukraine posed some sort of threat to Russian soldiers?

Remember what happened after all that?  How Russia had to retreat, the flag ship of the Russian Navy was sunk, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers were killed, and even Russian bloggers imbedded with the military that normally relay the State approved propaganda began criticizing the stupid decisions being made by those in charge?

I think that's what he means.

I still do not understand. Any good winning strategy must be flexible so as not to depend on any particular tactical setback. Putin certainly has a very good, flexible and winning strategy in Ukraine. Even if events do not develop according to the scenario that you yourself have come up with, and does not fit into the time frame that you have set for yourself. I have already said above and I will repeat now - time works for Russia. Russia can well afford to advance slowly, grinding Ukrainian reinforcements approaching the front with artillery from a safe distance and destroying military equipment supplies from the West. Russia may well allow even to stop the advance completely and spend the winter to look at developments on the economic front - how Europe will react to the shortage of gas and food. A special operation is not a sprint, but a marathon. We're in the second phase of the operation now, and there could be a dozen of them. There is a high probability that the operation will not end in Ukraine and Russia will also have to demilitarize and denazify the Baltic States, Finland and Poland - their rhetoric towards Russia has been very aggressive lately.
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They said they were going to solve the issue of the Eastern civilians getting shelled, and they pretty much say what the mean and mean what they say so it seems.
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Nov. 12 – Peskov described media reports of Moscow’s plans to invade Ukraine as a “hollow and unfounded attempt to incite tensions.” “Russia doesn’t threaten anyone. The movement of troops on our territory shouldn’t be a cause for anyone’s concern,” Peskov said in a conference call with reporters.

Nov. 21 – “This hysteria is being artificially whipped up. We are being accused of some kind of unusual military activity on our territory by those who have brought in their armed forces from across the ocean,” Peskov said on Russian state TV. “That is, the United States of America. It’s not really logical or polite.”

Nov. 22 – In a report headlined “Kremlin: Russia is not going to attack anyone,” Pravda quotes Peskov as telling reporters: “Russia does not harbor any aggressive plans. It is completely wrong to say the opposite, and it is completely wrong to associate any movement of the Russian Armed Forces across the territory of our country with such plans. This is not true.”

Nov. 26 – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky claimed he had evidence proving Russia is plotting a coup against him and his government. Peskov denied Russia’s involvement. “Russia has never had any plans to take part. Russia generally never engages in such matters,” Peskov said.

Nov. 28 – Russian officials accused the United States of waging a propaganda campaign. “Russia has never hatched, is not hatching and will never hatch any plans to attack anyone,” Peskov said. “Russia is a peaceful country, which is interested in good relations with its neighbors.”

Dec. 1 – U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken urged the use of diplomacy to settle the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine, parts of which have been controlled by pro-Russian forces. Blinken warned that Russia could use the conflict in eastern Ukraine as a pretext for invading Ukraine. “The Russian playbook is to claim provocation for something that they were planning to do all along,” Blinken said.

Dec. 2 – In a conference call with reporters, Peskov justified the massive buildup of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border by accusing Ukraine of planning to use force to reclaim separatist regions in eastern Ukraine — a claim that Ukraine has denied. “The probability of hostilities in Ukraine still remains high,” Peskov said. (On Feb. 22, Putin recognized two separatist territories in eastern Ukraine as independent states and sent Russian troops into the Donbas region of Ukraine — the first step in what became a full-scale invasion two days later.)

Dec. 3 – A U.S. intelligence report warns that Russia is planning an attack on Ukraine in early 2022 with up to 175,000 troops, according to the Washington Post.  At the time, Russia had about 70,000 troops along the Ukrainian border, the intelligence report said.

Dec. 11 – In an interview on Greek TV, Peskov denied that Russian was planning to attack Ukraine, claiming that it was moving its forces in response to U.S. and Ukraine military movements. When asked if Russia was planning to attack Ukraine, Peskov said: “No, the problem is very simple. Russia is moving its forces within its territory and we can move our forces in any direction we want and closer to the areas that could pose a threat [and currently] we see US warplanes landing in Ukraine and US military equipment approaching our borders.”

Dec. 12 – In a video on state TV, Peskov denied that Russia is to blame for the mounting concerns about Ukraine’s fate. “The current … tensions and so on are being created to further demonize Russia and cast it as a potential aggressor,” Peskov said.

Dec. 31 – After a 50-minute phone call between Biden and Putin, a Kremlin aide told the New York Times that Putin was uncomfortable with NATO encroachment in the region and that Russia would “conduct itself as the United States would behave if offensive weapons were near the United States.”

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Jan. 11 – A day after the U.S. urged Russia to pull back its troops during talks in Geneva, Russian troops and tanks engaged in live-fire military exercises near the Ukrainian border. Peskov wasn’t optimistic that the talks would be successful. “We will not be satisfied with the endless dragging out of this process,” he said.

In a press conference after the Geneva talks, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Russia had no intent to invade Ukraine. “Essentially it is said that Russia wants to trade its, quote-unquote, threat against Ukraine for more flexibility on the part of U.S. and the West,” Ryabkov said. “This is not the case because we have no intention to invade Ukraine. And thus, there is nothing to trade with.”

“We have told our colleagues that we have no plans to attack,” Ryabkov said. “All combat training for the troops is carried out on our national territory and there is no reason to fear an escalation scenario in this regard.”

Jan. 16 – Ukraine said it had evidence that Russia was behind a massive cyberattack on Ukrainian government websites. In a CNN interview, Peskov dismissed the attack as a “dangerous coincidence.” He said, “So we are nearly accustomed to the fact that Ukrainians are blaming everything on Russia, even their bad weather in their country.” (The U.S. later attributed additional cyberattacks against Ukraine in early February to Russia.)

Jan. 19 – In a press conference, Biden said he expects Putin to order an invasion of Ukraine. “My guess is he will move in. He has to do something,” Biden said. Biden added that he doesn’t think Putin wants “any full-blown war,” but “[d]o I think he’ll test the West, test the United States and NATO as significantly as he can? Yes, I think he will. But I think he’ll pay a serious and dear price for it that he doesn’t think now will cost him what it’s going to cost him. And I think he will regret having done it.”

That day, Ryabkov again insisted Russia was only engaging in military training exercises and did not intend to invade Ukraine. “There is no risk of a large-scale war to start to unfold in Europe,” he told CNN. “We do not want and will not take any action of aggressive character. We will not attack, strike, invade, quote unquote, whatever Ukraine.”

Jan. 24 – At a daily briefing in Moscow, Peskov accused Ukraine of preparing for a military offensive against pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, and blamed the U.S. and NATO for escalating tensions. “In general, we state and would like to draw your attention to the fact that the escalation of tension is carried out through information actions and concrete actions taken by the United States of America and NATO,” Peskov said. “Speaking about information actions, I mean the information hysteria that we are witnessing. It is generously framed by a huge amount of false information, just lies — I mean those very fakes.”

Jan. 28 – In a radio interview, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, “There won’t be a war as far as it depends on the Russian Federation, we don’t want a war. But we won’t let our interests be rudely trampled on and ignored.”

Feb. 3 – In response to Russia’s 100,000 troops surrounding Ukraine, Biden ordered 2,000 U.S.-based troops to NATO members Poland and Germany. In response, Peskov blamed the U.S. for “escalating tensions” in Europe, saying Russian concerns about NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe are “absolutely justified.”

Feb. 12 – After another unfruitful phone call between Biden and Putin, U.S. officials warned that a Russian attack on Ukraine could come at any time. A Kremlin aide accused the West of creating “hysteria.” “The Americans are artificially inflating the hysteria around the so-called planned Russian invasion,” Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov told reporters after the call between Biden and Putin. “The preconditions for possible provocative actions of the Ukrainian armed forces are being created alongside these allegations.”

Feb. 15 – Following talks with the German chancellor, Putin told the press there had been a “partial withdrawal of troops from the area of our military exercises.” “Yes, a decision has been made to pull out part of the troops,” he said. “What will Russia do next? Russia will act according to plan. What is the plan? The plan is based on the actual situation on the ground. Who can say how the actual situation will develop? Nobody at this point. There are other parties to consider. But it is our intention and resolve to reach agreement with our partners on the matters we put on the table, by diplomatic means. These matters are well known: with respect to Russia’s security, it is the non-expansion of NATO and the withdrawal of the bloc’s military infrastructure to the 1997 positions, and non-deployment of missile strike systems near our borders. I think everything is clear.”

Feb. 18 – Despite Kremlin insistence that it did not intend to invade, Biden said in a press conference, “We have reason to believe the Russian forces are planning to and intend to attack Ukraine in the coming week — in the coming days. We believe that they will target Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, a city of 2.8 million innocent people.  … As of this moment, I’m convinced he’s made the decision. We have reason to believe that.”

Feb. 21 – In a lengthy address to the Russian people, Putin laid out his case for ordering troops into the separatist-held regions of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, and left open the possibility of military attack on Ukraine. “I would like to be clear and straightforward: In the current circumstances, when our proposals for an equal dialogue on fundamental issues have actually remained unanswered by the United States and NATO, when the level of threats to our country has increased significantly, Russia has every right to respond in order to ensure its security,” Putin said. “That is exactly what we will do.”

Feb. 22 – Russian tanks enter Ukraine’s Donbas region on what Russian officials described as a peace-keeping mission.

Feb. 23 – Answering questions from the media, Putin condemned the West for supplying weapons to Ukraine and said, “Therefore, the most important point is the demilitarisation, to a certain extent, of today’s Ukraine because it is the only factor that can be objectively controlled, monitored and responded to.” Putin also accused Ukraine of harboring “nuclear ambitions,” which he said is “totally unacceptable.” (The Washington Post Fact Checker called this accusation “sheer fantasy.”)

Feb. 24 – Russia launches a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. In a conference call with reporters, Peskov said it was “unacceptable” to describe Russia as an occupying force in Ukraine — despite Russia’s widespread attacks against Ukraine’s cities and military bases.
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Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?

Remember back when Russia invaded all of Ukraine and tried to "decapitate the government"?  

Remember how everyone, including Western media and most or all posters in this thread, including myself thought it would not take long for Russia to accomplish their objectives?

Remember how, after failing to take the capital quickly, they spent weeks trying to encircle Kyiv?  

Remember how you thought they were intentionally not completely surrounding it to allow civilians to leave and "all who remained and did not lay down their weapons would be destroyed" and "it would be foolish to think otherwise"?

Remember how you were sure there would be a parade in Russian controlled Kyiv on victory day?

Remember how during all of this, Putin made a new law making it illegal to even call the war a war, because that would imply Ukraine posed some sort of threat to Russian soldiers?

Remember what happened after all that?  How Russia had to retreat, the flag ship of the Russian Navy was sunk, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers were killed, and even Russian bloggers imbedded with the military that normally relay the State approved propaganda began criticizing the stupid decisions being made by those in charge?

I think that's what he means.

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I don't understand, can you explain what you mean?
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The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. ...

That would just induce Russia to take an extra '60 to 70 km' out of Ukraine which, by all indications, was never really in their plans.  They said they were going to solve the issue of the Eastern civilians getting shelled, and they pretty much say what the mean and mean what they say so it seems.

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Red Estuary is taken.

It looks like the eastern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass has crumbled.

You mean crumbled as in "the Ukrainians are still fighting but do not have enough sausages supplies?". Stop faking news while you fellow Russian die by the hundreds for a ridiculous snail-like advance. Adolf Putin is sending all the cannon fodder he has and still managing to get most of it meat-grinded.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-may-russian-troops-conducting-offensive-towards-komyshuvakha
I recommend focusing less on the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to avoid painful disappointments.

By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the American M777 howitzers, and so - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Ukrainians never really managed to shoot accurately from them.  Grin

I strongly advise you to look a bit more into the OSINT sources and less into the Flat-brain messages of Adolf's Putin controlled propaganda machine. Not only to avoid "disappointment", but to have a grasp of how your country is going to look like in two years time and to avoid you friends and relatives being conscripted and sent to heroically stop  artillery shells with their teeth for 100 USD a day.

Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome. Do not die for Putin.

In practical terms, the offensive in the east is not achieving as of now any noticeable result, however the massive concentration has left the south and the north-east exposed to counter attacks. I just wanted to let you know, so it does not catch you by surprise.

The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. I hope you sleep well and repeat 3 times before going to sleep "I am safe in Adolf Putin's Russia..."
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Red Estuary is taken.

It looks like the eastern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass has crumbled.

You mean crumbled as in "the Ukrainians are still fighting but do not have enough sausages supplies?". Stop faking news while you fellow Russian die by the hundreds for a ridiculous snail-like advance. Adolf Putin is sending all the cannon fodder he has and still managing to get most of it meat-grinded.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-may-russian-troops-conducting-offensive-towards-komyshuvakha
I recommend focusing less on the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to avoid painful disappointments.

By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the American M777 howitzers, and so - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Ukrainians never really managed to shoot accurately from them.  Grin

I recommend focusing less on the reports of Russian State Media in order to avoid painful disappointments.

By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the parade that would take place in Kyiev on victory day, after it was taken by the most powerful military in the world - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Russians never really managed to shoot accurately Grin

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 28

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The Russian invasion of Ukraine that aimed to seize and occupy the entire country has become a desperate and bloody offensive to capture a single city in the east while defending important but limited gains in the south and east. Ukraine has twice forced Putin to define down his military objectives. Ukraine defeated Russia in the Battle of Kyiv, forcing Putin to reduce his subsequent military objectives to seizing Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine stopped him from achieving that aim as well, forcing him to focus on completing the seizure of Luhansk Oblast alone. Putin is now hurling men and munitions at the last remaining major population center in that oblast, Severodonetsk, as if taking it would win the war for the Kremlin. He is wrong. When the Battle of Severodonetsk ends, regardless of which side holds the city, the Russian offensive at the operational and strategic levels will likely have culminated, giving Ukraine the chance to restart its operational-level counteroffensives to push Russian forces back.

The Russians are paying a price for their current tactical success that is out of proportion to any real operational or strategic benefit they can hope to receive. Severodonetsk itself is important at this stage in the war primarily because it is the last significant population center in Luhansk Oblast that the Russians do not control. Seizing it will let Moscow declare that it has secured Luhansk Oblast fully but will give Russia no other significant military or economic benefit. This is especially true because Russian forces are destroying the city as they assault it and will control its rubble if they capture it. Taking Severodonetsk can open a Russian ground line of communication (GLOC) to support operations to the west, but the Russians have failed to secure much more advantageous GLOCs from Izyum partly because they have concentrated so much on Severodonetsk.
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Red Estuary is taken.

It looks like the eastern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass has crumbled.

You mean crumbled as in "the Ukrainians are still fighting but do not have enough sausages supplies?". Stop faking news while you fellow Russian die by the hundreds for a ridiculous snail-like advance. Adolf Putin is sending all the cannon fodder he has and still managing to get most of it meat-grinded.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-may-russian-troops-conducting-offensive-towards-komyshuvakha
I recommend focusing less on the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to avoid painful disappointments.

By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the American M777 howitzers, and so - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Ukrainians never really managed to shoot accurately from them.  Grin
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I mean sure Hitler is responsible for all the killings, but he did it in the name of his nation and aryan race, so how about making him a hero too (just need to stress that it's not for the genocide part but for caring about his nation).

You have an unhealthy obsession with Hitler.

Here is what Ukrainians were up against besides Hitler:

might want to dial down your propaganda, you seem to have it set at 11

Gotta love Putin's copypasta boys accusing others of "propaganda".


Imagine if, instead of joining NATO and completely distancing itself from all things Nazi related, including making it a crime to show any type of support for the Nazis, Germany built up their military/nuclear arsenal and eventually started annexing/invading countries with reasons like "we are just de-sovieting them", eventually displacing millions of innocent people, sending thousands to "camps",  and starting the largest war since WW2.

That's what Russia is doing right now.  And I didn't even mention the whole genocide part.
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Don't want to brag much, but in my country croudfunding campaign to buy Bayraktar drone was made. And just in 3 days goal of campaign was reached with over 5 million € donated:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/lithuanians-raise-5-4-million-to-buy-combat-drone-for-ukraine
Yeah, single drone won't win war, but I think it's strong message and I'm glad to be part of it. If it will destroy some orcs, it was worth.

Negotiating with Russia does not bring peace, as simple as that. Adolf Putin only understands the language of threats and violence. He is no different from a patriarch of the rossíyskaya máfiya.
Especially when Russia isn't willing to negotiate. They only gives ultimatum for Ukraine. And even if Ukraine would agree to it, it only would delay some time until Russia will come to take another slice of Ukraine.
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Termite munition. "precision weaponry" of Adolf's Putin army.
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Ukraine Foreign Minister Admits He Has NOW Been Told to "Negotiate" with Russia

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They have never stopped negotiating. You can also see the guidelines for the negotiation here:

https://thehill.com/news/3502032-zelensky-rips-kissinger-over-suggestion-ukraine-cede-territory-to-russia/

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In a Wednesday address, Zelensky said Kissinger “emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia” and that Kissinger’s “calendar is not 2022, but 1938” — a reference to the Munich Agreement, which allowed for Nazi Germany to annex land in western Czechoslovakia.

“Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, ‘great geopoliticians’ are always unwilling to see ordinary people,” Zelensky said. “Millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people.”

Negotiating with Russia does not bring peace, as simple as that. Adolf Putin only understands the language of threats and violence. He is no different from a patriarch of the rossíyskaya máfiya.

I wonder what Kissinger thinks will happen when Ukraine gives up her territories? Lasting peace?

Like after the 1994 Budapest memorandum, I bet.

It will be Minsk 4, followed by the 'genocide of Russians' in whatever is left of Ukraine and another special operation 2.0, then the same script will be played for Poland and Germany.  BTW, there is a large pro-Russian diaspora in Germany. It is ripe to harvest.
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Oh no not the Washington post as well
https://archive.ph/xtFAL

I've seen a lot of indications that plenty of people all over Ukraine, including in the military and security services, would like Russia to 'win' and to be rid of the NAtoZI creeps that Nudelman-Kagan and the CIA put in in their color revolution 8 years ago.

One reason why AFU is getting so wrecked by Russia and DPR is probably that there are plenty of Ukrainians feeding them info, carefully sabotaging things, allowing the Jewkrainian 'leadership' to make mistakes, etc.  Probably the GRU knew this but mis-estimated how it would translate to the street level which could partially explain some of Russia's earlier miscalculations which were unnecessarily costly.  Correcting those mistakes ended up being a lot harder on infrastructure and civilian safety which is a shame.  That's water under the bridge however.

Here's another indication, and one which would indicate that the the navel forces are even less influenced by the inland Nazis and Jewkrainian 'leadership':

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KW0w97yzkvY8/

Of course one has to keep in mind that the report is via Russian mainstream media, but outwardly it doesn't seem to be a clown-shoe 100% whole-cloth fabrication as is the norm for the Western mainstream press.

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Ukraine Foreign Minister Admits He Has NOW Been Told to "Negotiate" with Russia

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They have never stopped negotiating. You can also see the guidelines for the negotiation here:

https://thehill.com/news/3502032-zelensky-rips-kissinger-over-suggestion-ukraine-cede-territory-to-russia/

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In a Wednesday address, Zelensky said Kissinger “emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia” and that Kissinger’s “calendar is not 2022, but 1938” — a reference to the Munich Agreement, which allowed for Nazi Germany to annex land in western Czechoslovakia.

“Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, ‘great geopoliticians’ are always unwilling to see ordinary people,” Zelensky said. “Millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people.”

Negotiating with Russia does not bring peace, as simple as that. Adolf Putin only understands the language of threats and violence. He is no different from a patriarch of the rossíyskaya máfiya.
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Oh no not the Washington post as well
https://archive.ph/xtFAL
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I wrote up how Ukrainians are well aware of the atrocities of their so called "heroes" and how despite knowing all that they still stand by them and want to commemorate them on coins/stamps/monuments/streets (but you know only for the good parts that they did not the murdering of innocent children part) and your best reply is, but what about Stalin in 1933? Even if your Stalin's claim were true, how on green earth do you feel that this in any way justifies worshiping open nazi collaborators who murdered innocent people in the name of ethnic cleansing in 2022?

Suchmoon is all about whataboutism
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