Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 288. (Read 60788 times)

Good point about flight range. But about that Russia don't use Tochka U anymore, it's lie. For example, this system were shown in May 9th parade in Korenovsk last year:
https://t.me/uniannet/45503
And about serial number of missile, such thing isn't public and any army never will not announce such things in public. So we won't know this, unless independent investigation will be made.

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The Belarusians fired their Tochka-U missiles at the joint exercises, it's true. The flight range of Tochka-U is 120 km, it will not fly from the territory of Belarus to Kramatorsk. Tochka-U is a good powerful missile, but obsolete, rather slow, and it flies along a ballistic trajectory, although it can steer a little towards the target, for example, to compensate for gusts of wind. If it was not shot down (and the rocket in Kramatorsk worked normally), then by the location of the tail section relative to the epicenter of the impact, it is easy to determine where it came from. Moreover, on the tail section there is a serial number of the missile, by which you can accurately determine which military unit it was in service with. You are not interested in such trifles when you are sure in advance that you are right, right?

According to some characteristic features of this launch, such as one rocket taking off before the second from one point, I can assume that Iskander-K is operating in this video, it has a dual launcher. Tochka-U usually also work in pairs, but from two different installations and with a synchronous start. In this case, it appears to have been a single strike, because there were no reports of a second missile at Kramatorsk.

I don't comment on conspiracy theories. There are easier ways to determine the culprit of what happened - for example, check the serial numbers on the tail of the rocket or analyze its trajectory.

And the reasons for provocations under a false flag are very simple - Ukraine needs to continue to keep the attention of the world community at all costs, so that there are new deliveries of weapons and financial assistance from the West, and the West's sanctions pressure on Russia intensifies, even if it already hurts the West itself.

The Russian news agency "RIA" about the serial number of the rocket that hit in Kramatorsk.
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The Sun journalists filmed the Ukrainian security officer with the SS symbols.
You can read about the actions of this SS Galicia during World War II on Wikipedia (the third paragraph on the link).

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MOSCOW, April 9 - RIA Novosti. Photographs taken by Western journalists with Kyiv's permission prove that the Tochka-U missile that attacked Kramatorsk was Ukrainian. The Donetsk TV channel "Union" drew attention to this, as well as several Telegram channels specializing in military topics.

"The serial number of the Tochka-U missile that fell on the train station in Kramatorsk the day before appeared on the Web. Rocket 9M79-1, serial number Sh91579. Previously, Ukrainian militants used missiles from the same series," the channel said.



The authors of the publication also listed other missiles that were on the balance sheet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Two of them were used in 2015 in Alchevsk and Logvinovo, others in Berdyansk and Melitopol.

"The number of the Tochka-U missile, which killed dozens of civilians in Kramatorsk, coincides with a series of missiles in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine," ex-deputy of the Rada Ilya Kiva also noted in the Telegram channel.
In addition, some noticed that the serial number of Tochka-U was initially blurred on the Ukrainian footage, but recordings with readable numbers appeared on the air of foreign TV channels - for example, in the news release of TG La7.

Among other things, the representative of the People's Militia of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, reported that Kramatorsk was fired upon by the same brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as earlier - Donetsk.
As a result of a provocation at the railway station in Kramatorsk, according to the statement of the head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin, 50 people were killed, including five children.

The Ukrainian side tried to pose as innocent. However, according to presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the Russian Armed Forces do not use the type of missiles that were used in Kramatorsk. The Ministry of Defense also denied all accusations, stressing that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the fragments of which were found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian military.

The department recalled that on March 14, a similar Tochka-U missile by a division of the 19th separate missile brigade attacked the center of Donetsk, as a result of which 17 people died on the spot and another 36 civilians were injured.

Earlier, the Investigative Committee established that the fire was fired by the 19th separate missile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, its commander is Colonel Yaroshevich. [...]

This is probably why Ukraine announced the third wave of mobilization. Where did the previous two go? Next question please.

The Ukrainian army in the east has practically no armored vehicles left and no fuel for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tochka-U missile used for the provocation in Kramatorsk was the last one. But fresh reinforcements on bicycles will arrive soon.

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Can that phone call really be classified as a war crime? I've watched the video and he clearly says that her son is dead because he was killed by artillery fire. They did not execute him as a POW or anything like that, just found the phone next to a corpse.
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Not every city, but WP journalists were in the region recently reporting near Kramatorsk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/ so if you're implying that they arrived there because they were told about the attack on civilians in advance - that's absurd on a few different levels.

Hm, logical. I thought that the railway connection from Kramatorsk to the west was broken, after the recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians). But I think you are right here.

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

The threat of overwhelming force can be enough to get an opposing army to lay down their arms. Wars have been won this way, as have battles. In WW2 for example, the axis were able to capture much of the pacific front by showing an overwhelming force.

Putins problem is that his military is apparently not very strong. Putin is committing nearly all his military resources towards Ukraine, and there is a stalemate at best.

Seems like there's a decent chance one of the cliffs notes for this chapter of the Global History books will be about what corruption did to Russias Military and Putins miscalculation in relying on the reputation of his army rather than his actual army.

The idiocy of Russian propaganda on full display... bragging about destroying evacuation routes

Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians)

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Air-launched high-precision missiles in the Donetsk region at three railway stations destroyed the weapons and military equipment of the reserves of Ukrainian troops that arrived in Donbass. This was announced to journalists on Friday, April 8, by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

The representative of the department explained that the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was at the stations of Pokrovsk, Slavyansk, Barvenkovo.

Anyone that commits a war crime should be held accountable.

Fortunately the Ukranian war crimes appear to be isolated incidents against Russian soldiers.  Unfortunately it appears Russian soldiers are being given orders to commit war crimes.

Trying to defend Russias policy on unarmed civilians because there's evidence of Ukrainians executing Russian soldiers makes you look like an ass.

People in the train station were waiting to go west. There are no trains going east. It would be absurd to evacuate towards the front line, of course people are trying to get away from the war.

Although I guess it's better than the completely retarded "The Ukranians are bombing and executing themselves" defense that the guy above me keeps claiming.

I didn't expected to hear something different from you. Ok, let's debunk it:
1. Russian forces used Tochka-U in military training in Belarus just before war in Ukraine:
https://rg.ru/2022/02/15/na-ucheniiah-v-belarusi-otrabatyvaiut-puski-raket-i-podderzhku-oboroniaiushchihsia-vojsk.html
It's also possibe that attack was made using Belarus owned Tochka-U, but I don't think that it change something.

2. You're saying that it flew from southwest, but there is reports and video taht Tochka-U was released from Shakhtarsk direction, which is controlled by Russia:
https://t.me/itsdonetsk/11817

3. Kramatorsk station was hited on 10:30 AM local time, but on Russian media there was message about it on 10:25 AM local time. Interesting that tweet was made via TweetDeck - tool used to make scheduled tweets:
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1512345886268997632
4. Day before this attack on one pro-Russian Telegram channel there was post for people who are leaving Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and near cities suggesting to avoid railway transport:
https://imgur.com/TVZMOlu

And after all, I don't see why Ukraine would need to kill their own citizens, especially in such expensive way - they don't have that much Tochka-U missiles.

Reporters from the Washington Post arrived at the train station in Kramatorsk 15 minutes after the attack.
Are they on duty around the clock in every Ukrainian city?

It might give the impression that the Russian military were captured after having been wounded. But that’s not the case. At the end of the video, we can see Ukrainian soldiers shooting all the newly arrived prisoners through their legs.

What about the ones you've been defending lately?