This is a fiasco.
That it is. Russian forces destroyed the city and killed 20+ thousand civilians - Russian-speaking Donbas residents - so that they could claim to have "taken" it. Pyccкий миp.
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That it is. Russian forces destroyed the city and killed 20+ thousand civilians - Russian-speaking Donbas residents - so that they could claim to have "taken" it. Pyccкий миp.
Soldiers of the "Somali" battalion from Donbass hoisted their flag on the high-rise of Mariupol. Mariupol is taken.
One small problem:
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Mapиyпoль пoд нaшим кoнтpoлeм, ocтaлocь зaчиcтить тoлькo зaвoд «Aзoвcтaль»
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Mariupol is under our control, it remains to clean up only the Azovstal plant
So... not really "taken"?
Soldiers of the "Somali" battalion from Donbass hoisted their flag on the high-rise of Mariupol. Mariupol is taken.
One small problem:
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Mapиyпoль пoд нaшим кoнтpoлeм, ocтaлocь зaчиcтить тoлькo зaвoд «Aзoвcтaль»
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Mariupol is under our control, it remains to clean up only the Azovstal plant
So... not really "taken"?
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
As far as I understand, the briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense dated April 14, 2022, based on the results of the analysis of documents related to the US military biological activities on the territory of Ukraine, did not cause much resonance in the Western media. Meanwhile, there are a lot of interesting things there, for example, that US scientists have been testing dangerous biological drugs on patients in the Kharkov psychiatric hospital for three years. Also, in laboratories in Ukraine, under the control of US scientists, the possibility of spreading cholera, typhoid and hepatitis through water was studied. Video of the briefing, full text of the briefing, published documents.
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Soldiers of the "Somali" battalion from Donbass hoisted their flag on the high-rise of Mariupol. Mariupol is taken.More than 2000 Nazis of Azov continue to be in the bunker near Azovstal, yesterday about 40 FAB-500 bombs were dropped on the plant, today until 13:00 the ceasefire is in place - Russia gives the Nazis the last chance to get out of the bunker alive (then they will be tried in the Donbass and there is no moratorium on the death penalty). Good deal, must be accepted.
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You see, if your read an article where does not say what you say anything beyond it, even if you use "seems" is your opinion. In this post you are again seeming to argue about it.
So you did use the opportunity to clarify that is not the Ukrainian army, but some undefined group. Good boy there.
Yet, again, this is your creation, as the source does not mention it. So again, do you have any proof?
As you do not seem to have good reading skills either, I will ask again: Does any of you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not? If so, any proof other that what it "seems" to you?
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You see, if your read an article where does not say what you say anything beyond it, even if you use "seems" is your opinion. In this post you are again seeming to argue about it.
So you did use the opportunity to clarify that is not the Ukrainian army, but some undefined group. Good boy there.
Yet, again, this is your creation, as the source does not mention it. So again, do you have any proof?
As you do not seem to have good reading skills either, I will ask again: Does any of you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not? If so, any proof other that what it "seems" to you?
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Almost nobody has what I (or any other reasonable analyst) consider 'proof' of anything. We see what someone puts out over the wire. Clearly if something which aligns with what you currently wish to or think you should believe, that is what you consider 'proof'. It doesn't work that way for everyone.
I've seen two widely circulated in Western press interviews which kind of align with what you wish to believe. One was from a woman who worked for USAID (CIA) but neglected to mention that little factoid. Another was a woman who has been groomed since her early years to be a Western-associated globalist stooge with awards and what-not.
On the other hand, I see a seemingly endless stream of freshly 'liberated' people with identical stories told to alternative media people (who are the only ones actually on-the-ground in the danger zones). The story is always the same about the radical 'nazi' type folks keeping them as human shields at gunpoint. If either the alternative media people or the interviewees (and the selection process of choosing them) where somehow staged, they are pretty damn good actors and the scene selection rivaled the attention to detail of Stanley Kubrick. Quite the opposite of the laughably clownish skills of the nit-wits on the Western fake-stream media who are getting busted as fast as they are pumping out their fake news.
usaid-caught-ukraine-fake-news
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/covid-psyop-exposed-ukraines-defensive-bioweapons-usaid-caught-ukraine-fake-news/
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https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/second-mariupol-witness-tied-us-gov-all-evidence-shows-ukraine-fired-missile-on-kramatorsk/
It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person. 
I'm not really sure what you're trying to show with this video. Maybe next time put some video from Zelensky comedian times when he said something about Russia or Putin, at least it will be fun.And Lyusya Arestovich - c'mon, it's so childish...
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Germany - 2 billion in aid.
US - another 800M in aid.
This is for flowers and confetti according to the "Russian Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasy Tales"
Be aware of the pigeons, do not underestimate them.
On regards to the Moskova, this ship was "old" but sinking it is was not easy at all. It has 3 layers of anti-missile defences including a long range interceptor similar to a Patriot, a second layer of intercepting misiles (OASIS I think) and then a layer of radar guided Gatling guns.
My opinion, and I have no proof of it, is that this had to be done in close collaboration with an intelligence source that I would not imagine would usually be within the means of the Ukraine services. For the simulations I have seen, there are some specific water conditions in which the three layers of defence become much less effective. The first one is not of real use for low-altitude missiles like the Neptune, the second may not be launched for safety and the Gatlings are a a game of chance. On top of that, you need to know where to hit the ship to sink it in one shot.
The Moskova was built to be able to destroy a Nimitz class carrier. I am sure it did attract quite a bit of attention from the US and probably they have been keen on knowing the details of its systems. This does seem like a message to Putin, but not from Ukraine.
This is what you wrote:
The article you quote does not say that the civilians were held hostage at any point, thus this is your interpretation and therefore your claim or opinion.
Now, you have the chance to set the record straight - Do you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not?
Sorry Velcro (or whatever), but the kid just doesn't seem that sharp with his reading skills. Anyway,
I (tvbcof) said 'seem'. As time goes by, it 'seems' that way more and more. What I did not say was 'Ukrainian army'. It seems to me more the case that these tactics are widely employed by a set of groups who's subservience to the regular nation's regular army command is in many cases quite dubious. Looks like it's the opposite in some cases.
Looks to me a lot like the Syria model where effectively criminal elements within the country and a large number of foreign mercenaries, often quite radical, were tasked with wanton destruction of all aspects of the country. In Syria they pinned on the label 'ISIS', and it was pretty clear that Western (chiefly U.S.) and Israeli organizers were behind the operations. It's looking more and more like that is the case here as well.
You see, if your read an article where does not say what you say anything beyond it, even if you use "seems" is your opinion. In this post you are again seeming to argue about it.
So you did use the opportunity to clarify that is not the Ukrainian army, but some undefined group. Good boy there.
Yet, again, this is your creation, as the source does not mention it. So again, do you have any proof?
As you do not seem to have good reading skills either, I will ask again: Does any of you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not? If so, any proof other that what it "seems" to you?
Oh, I forgot, thank for saying I am a kid. I must look better than I thought.
By the way, if you are saying someone is not able to read right, perhaps you should not refer to "Veleor" as "Velcro". Just saying.
Germany - 2 billion in aid.
US - another 800M in aid.
This is for flowers and confetti according to the "Russian Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasy Tales"
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Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations":
Just military training, definitely not invasion.
Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later.
Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes.
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population.
The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it.
But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies.
Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations":
Just military training, definitely not invasion.
Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later.
Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes.
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population.
The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it.
But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies.
Be aware of the pigeons, do not underestimate them.
On regards to the Moskova, this ship was "old" but sinking it is was not easy at all. It has 3 layers of anti-missile defences including a long range interceptor similar to a Patriot, a second layer of intercepting misiles (OASIS I think) and then a layer of radar guided Gatling guns.
My opinion, and I have no proof of it, is that this had to be done in close collaboration with an intelligence source that I would not imagine would usually be within the means of the Ukraine services. For the simulations I have seen, there are some specific water conditions in which the three layers of defence become much less effective. The first one is not of real use for low-altitude missiles like the Neptune, the second may not be launched for safety and the Gatlings are a a game of chance. On top of that, you need to know where to hit the ship to sink it in one shot.
The Moskova was built to be able to destroy a Nimitz class carrier. I am sure it did attract quite a bit of attention from the US and probably they have been keen on knowing the details of its systems. This does seem like a message to Putin, but not from Ukraine.
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You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
This is what you wrote:
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The article you quote does not say that the civilians were held hostage at any point, thus this is your interpretation and therefore your claim or opinion.
Now, you have the chance to set the record straight - Do you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not?
Sorry Velcro (or whatever), but the kid just doesn't seem that sharp with his reading skills. Anyway,
I (tvbcof) said 'seem'. As time goes by, it 'seems' that way more and more. What I did not say was 'Ukrainian army'. It seems to me more the case that these tactics are widely employed by a set of groups who's subservience to the regular nation's regular army command is in many cases quite dubious. Looks like it's the opposite in some cases.
Looks to me a lot like the Syria model where effectively criminal elements within the country and a large number of foreign mercenaries, often quite radical, were tasked with wanton destruction of all aspects of the country. In Syria they pinned on the label 'ISIS', and it was pretty clear that Western (chiefly U.S.) and Israeli organizers were behind the operations. It's looking more and more like that is the case here as well.
You see, if your read an article where does not say what you say anything beyond it, even if you use "seems" is your opinion. In this post you are again seeming to argue about it.
So you did use the opportunity to clarify that is not the Ukrainian army, but some undefined group. Good boy there.
Yet, again, this is your creation, as the source does not mention it. So again, do you have any proof?
As you do not seem to have good reading skills either, I will ask again: Does any of you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not? If so, any proof other that what it "seems" to you?
Oh, I forgot, thank for saying I am a kid. I must look better than I thought.
By the way, if you are saying someone is not able to read right, perhaps you should not refer to "Veleor" as "Velcro". Just saying.
It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to show with this video. Maybe next time put some video from Zelensky comedian times when he said something about Russia or Putin, at least it will be fun.And Lyusya Arestovich - c'mon, it's so childish...
Or Russian propaganda is lying and they haven't really destroyed that many - if any - TB2s, as evidenced by Russian forces constantly being embarrassed by said drones.
It's good that Lyusya ArestovichKinda weak deflection considering that I didn't refer to anything said by Arestovich regarding the TB2 drones.
Speaking of which, I take it you haven't got the talking points on cruiser's sinking yet? Fire and detonation? Entire crew evacuated? Totally not Ukrainian missiles? Instead Ukrainians randomly attacked some barns in Kursk oblast? Anything?
Breathe deeply, you are excited.From bad to worse. You're not getting 15 rubles for this one.
It is likely that Russia may exaggerate its achievements in terms of the number of destroyed Ukrainian military equipment.
Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations":
Just military training, definitely not invasion.
Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later.
Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes.
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population.
The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it.
But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies.
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You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
This is what you wrote:
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The article you quote does not say that the civilians were held hostage at any point, thus this is your interpretation and therefore your claim or opinion.
Now, you have the chance to set the record straight - Do you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not?
Sorry Velcro (or whatever), but the kid just doesn't seem that sharp with his reading skills. Anyway,
I (tvbcof) said 'seem'. As time goes by, it 'seems' that way more and more. What I did not say was 'Ukrainian army'. It seems to me more the case that these tactics are widely employed by a set of groups who's subservience to the regular nation's regular army command is in many cases quite dubious. Looks like it's the opposite in some cases.
Looks to me a lot like the Syria model where effectively criminal elements within the country and a large number of foreign mercenaries, often quite radical, were tasked with wanton destruction of all aspects of the country. In Syria they pinned on the label 'ISIS', and it was pretty clear that Western (chiefly U.S.) and Israeli organizers were behind the operations. It's looking more and more like that is the case here as well.
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You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
So... military experts from the Russian side are objective about how Russian missiles hit or do not hit buildings occupied with Ukrainian civils. Forum members are to be ignored because they would not be objective and do not know enough. And all coming from Putin's "Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales".
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
This is what you wrote:
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The article you quote does not say that the civilians were held hostage at any point, thus this is your interpretation and therefore your claim or opinion.
Now, you have the chance to set the record straight - Do you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not?
This thread lacks some positivity and Slavic music and art:
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Or Russian propaganda is lying and they haven't really destroyed that many - if any - TB2s, as evidenced by Russian forces constantly being embarrassed by said drones.
It's good that Lyusya Arestovich, the mouthpiece of Ukrainian propaganda, is a crystal-clearly honest person. Speaking of which, I take it you haven't got the talking points on cruiser's sinking yet? Fire and detonation? Entire crew evacuated? Totally not Ukrainian missiles? Instead Ukrainians randomly attacked some barns in Kursk oblast? Anything?
Breathe deeply, you are excited. 
Or Russian propaganda is lying and they haven't really destroyed that many - if any - TB2s, as evidenced by Russian forces constantly being embarrassed by said drones.
It is likely that Russia may exaggerate its achievements in terms of the number of destroyed Ukrainian military equipment. But it may also be that Ukraine received a fresh batch of Turkish TB2's.
As far as is known, on March 29, 2022, peace talks between Ukraine and Russia were held in Istanbul.
After them, one of the Ukrainian negotiators posted a photo with the CEO of Baykar, which produces these famous drones. Maybe there they agreed on new supplies. But of course this is just a guess.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-official-poses-with-bayraktar-ceo-calls-drones-super-weapons-2022-3
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Not really about the hostages, however at the end of March 2022, the Washington Post published critical statements by Western experts that Ukrainian troops were placing military equipment in residential areas....
That is not your claim. You are saying that the Ukrainian army is helding civils hostage, which is something completely different.The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. At least that's my analysis based on the footage I've seen and the pretty much universal testimony of the liberated civilians.
Source? Please, do not say it comes from any Russian Ministry pleaaaase...Firstly, I didn't "claim" or "say" this. Read carefully the name of the author of the quote before labeling.
Secondly, not only Russian media reports, but also statements by Western military journalists become the basis for rumors about hostages.
For example, a video of the Italian journalist Giorgio Bianchi, who visited Mariupol in March, was published on the Internet.
In the video, he speaks in Italian, but the description contains English text. I think that those who understand Italian speech will be able to verify the authenticity of this quote.
If it's really his quote, but he's lying, then he should be punished for slander, and if he tells the truth, then his testimony should be included in the materials of a full-scale investigation. Isn't that how it should be?
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"I stop people randomly and interview them.
They all tell me they were locked in the basement and couldn't get out.
They were told everything was under control.
Many say they shot at them to keep them from leaving.
They emptied the apartments to bring people down, when they themselves remained in the apartments to shoot.
These are neo-Nazi battalions".
https://youtu.be/qsqKtqJlz4oThey all tell me they were locked in the basement and couldn't get out.
They were told everything was under control.
Many say they shot at them to keep them from leaving.
They emptied the apartments to bring people down, when they themselves remained in the apartments to shoot.
These are neo-Nazi battalions".
So... military experts from the Russian side are objective about how Russian missiles hit or do not hit buildings occupied with Ukrainian civils. Forum members are to be ignored because they would not be objective and do not know enough. And all coming from Putin's "Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales".
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
Two missiles sent. The best evidence that it was an Ukrainian attack are the reports of the rest of the ships moving further away from Ukraine, as reported by US and verifiable by OS Int. That is a fuc**ng ton of money.
Remember those yachts being seized around the world... a couple of those is worth roughly as much as that missile cruiser. Isn't it amazing how during Putins reign "individuals" were able to amass such wealth but the state can't build any new warships of that size and is using 40-years old Soviet ships with defense systems that can be defeated by a Turkish drone.
Speaking of Bayraktar, a couple of weeks ago Kremlin claimed to have destroyed 35 of 36 that Ukraine allegedly had, which is such an obvious nonsense (Ukraine never had that many; and definitely had more than one remaining). Since then they claim to have destroyed a few more. Those negative remaining drones must be some sort of spacetime anomaly, which would explain the spontaneous combustion of the ill-fated warship
Watch! Evidence of Putin having a hidden physics laws singularity generator coming from official sources (probably from the "Ministry of Dark Humor and Fantasylands") that allows them to destroy more weapons than Ukraine really had. How do you dare to doubt!
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As far as I remember Sergei Pugachev, a former friend of Putin, said that the reason for the state of the army is the reason why they have all this wealth. Putin and "his people" sell everything the Soviet army had to offer and use the money for their own benefit. They even stripped electronics and sold it for scrap....
As far as I remember Sergei Pugachev, a former friend of Putin, said that the reason for the state of the army is the reason why they have all this wealth. Putin and "his people" sell everything the Soviet army had to offer and use the money for their own benefit. They even stripped electronics and sold it for scrap....
At this point, I would need proof that any of Putin's tanks actually carried electronics in the first place.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cV17MkoOsw. And here is video of Tochka U used by Russia in Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ZmIfyePd4 If you pay attention to serial number, difference between these tow is just 25 digits and it's very likely that these missiles were made during Soviet times when Ukraine and Russia was one country.
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And what about Kramatorsk? I see everything quickly calmed down there after the serial number surfaced. Provocation failed? But there 50 people died from a missile strike with cluster munitions on their own civilians. An ugly story, it would be nice to deal with it and punish the perpetrators. However, I think that the direct executors have already been demilitarized, Russian intelligence officers in the field work well and Russian missiles hit right on the target.
Like I already said, these serial numbers doesn't prooves that missile belongs to Ukraine. Few examples. Here is Tochka U used by Ukraine in Snezhnoe in 2014:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cV17MkoOsw. And here is video of Tochka U used by Russia in Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ZmIfyePd4 If you pay attention to serial number, difference between these tow is just 25 digits and it's very likely that these missiles were made during Soviet times when Ukraine and Russia was one country.
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The serial number only proves that someone painted numbers on that weapon at some point in time. As for the rest, if Putin had any real proof, satellite recording, or any real evidence it would already be there.
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Not really about the hostages, however at the end of March 2022, the Washington Post published critical statements by Western experts that Ukrainian troops were placing military equipment in residential areas.
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. At least that's my analysis based on the footage I've seen and the pretty much universal testimony of the liberated civilians.
Source? Please, do not say it comes from any Russian Ministry pleaaaase...Not really about the hostages, however at the end of March 2022, the Washington Post published critical statements by Western experts that Ukrainian troops were placing military equipment in residential areas.
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That is not your claim. You are saying that the Ukrainian army is helding civils hostage, which is something completely different.
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For objectivity it's better to study the answers of officials, and not forum members.
The Russian side commented on this strike. I think that independent professional military experts will be able to confirm or refute this information.
For objectivity it's better to study the answers of officials, and not forum members.
The Russian side commented on this strike. I think that independent professional military experts will be able to confirm or refute this information.
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According to a source in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,
the nature of the damage suggests that he was hit by an anti-aircraft missile,
which is clearly visible on the video.
According to a source reported by TASS, it is obvious that the incident occurred during
the reflection of a night rocket attack on Ukrainian military facilities.
During the launch, there was a failure in the missile guidance system of the Ukrainian Buk-M1
medium-range anti-aircraft missile system, after which the missile hit the corner of a residential building.
https://rg.ru/2022/02/26/v-zhiloj-dom-v-kieve-popala-raketa-vypushchennaia-ukrainskimi-voennymi.htmlthe nature of the damage suggests that he was hit by an anti-aircraft missile,
which is clearly visible on the video.
According to a source reported by TASS, it is obvious that the incident occurred during
the reflection of a night rocket attack on Ukrainian military facilities.
During the launch, there was a failure in the missile guidance system of the Ukrainian Buk-M1
medium-range anti-aircraft missile system, after which the missile hit the corner of a residential building.
So... military experts from the Russian side are objective about how Russian missiles hit or do not hit buildings occupied with Ukrainian civils. Forum members are to be ignored because they would not be objective and do not know enough. And all coming from Putin's "Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales".
Please, serve me that sh*t with some fries. Seriously, all the efforts to establish some short of doubts about the facts have no chance of working with anyone with a minimal sense of reality. How the f*ck would you believe a Russian Ministry source after they repeatedly said they were not going to invade Ukraine!
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Speaking of which, I take it you haven't got the talking points on cruiser's sinking yet? Fire and detonation? Entire crew evacuated? Totally not Ukrainian missiles? Instead Ukrainians randomly attacked some barns in Kursk oblast? Anything?
That has to be a difficult one for the ministry of propaganda to spin:
1) Total Russia Navy incompetence - setting fire to your own ship.
2) Admitting that Ukraine got through the defenses, again, incompetence
Or other spin scenarios:
3) Seal team 3 swam under the ship and attached explosives, timed to the Neptune's detonations
4) The ship is in a secret base
5) It was not really a ship, just testing our new 3d hologram
There are statements on the net that Ukraine previously purchased not 18, but 50 Bairaktars TV2, but I am not sure about the reliability of the data source. Also, the head of Zelensky’s office, Andriy Yermak, in his interview on December 24, 2021, stated that Ukraine had established independent production of Bayraktarov. However, I am also not sure about the reliability of this data source.
Or Russian propaganda is lying and they haven't really destroyed that many - if any - TB2s, as evidenced by Russian forces constantly being embarrassed by said drones.
Speaking of which, I take it you haven't got the talking points on cruiser's sinking yet? Fire and detonation? Entire crew evacuated? Totally not Ukrainian missiles? Instead Ukrainians randomly attacked some barns in Kursk oblast? Anything?
The fact that Ukraine had 36 Bayraktars TB2, as well as a new batch of these Turkish drones, was confirmed by Reuters and CNN.
Oryx reports 34 (18+16) but let's not split hairs and assume they did have 36.
How come Russia claims to have destroyed 40+ by now? And they're still flying.
No, they clearly stated TB2:
Quote from: https://www.vesti.ru/article/2701479
B тeчeниe дня, дoлoжил гeнepaл-мaйop, poccийcкиe вoeнныe yничтoжили eщe 65 yкpaинcкиx вoeнныx oбъeктoв, a тaкжe cбили тpи бecпилoтникa, в тoм чиcлe Bayraktar TB2 тypeцкoгo пpoизвoдcтвa.
This was well after the "35" had been "destroyed", and there are few more announcements like that.
I heard about this pathetic news on how Russian soldiers are sleeping with the women and raping young children in Ukraine and its environs where the Russian soldiers have occupied before now https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/4/12/un-calls-for-independent-investigation-into-rape-in-ukraine despite the continuing war and loss of lives and properties, the Russian soldiers went ahead in sexual scandal on innocent citizens while before time, residents in kyiv have warned that Russia is planning another striking attack around eastern Ukraine. Although the United Nations have set a committee to see to investigating on the rape assault. This is totally demoralizing.
The fact that Ukraine had 36 Bayraktars TB2, as well as a new batch of these Turkish drones, was confirmed by Reuters and CNN.
Oryx reports 34 (18+16) but let's not split hairs and assume they did have 36.
How come Russia claims to have destroyed 40+ by now? And they're still flying.
No, they clearly stated TB2:
Quote from: https://www.vesti.ru/article/2701479
B тeчeниe дня, дoлoжил гeнepaл-мaйop, poccийcкиe вoeнныe yничтoжили eщe 65 yкpaинcкиx вoeнныx oбъeктoв, a тaкжe cбили тpи бecпилoтникa, в тoм чиcлe Bayraktar TB2 тypeцкoгo пpoизвoдcтвa.
This was well after the "35" had been "destroyed", and there are few more announcements like that.
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