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legendary
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition

That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property?

BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR.

And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not:

In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite.

If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain?

The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch.
Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev.
At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it.

This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2s

I was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia.
His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed.
-shit they are shooting at us
-shoot them
-the gun is stuck
-let's run away and hide

Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed.

It could be better for US but i fail to see how that's better for Ukraine? Every day hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers die and more land is lost, i don't see how that can be better for Ukraine? Minsk agreements (guaranteed by Germany and France) called for autonomy for LPR and DPR, now Russia controls that plus majority of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv and Odessa also seem to be on the Russian radar. Whatever happens, happens for the best only works for propaganda. Oh they took Kherson and Zaporizhzhia? Well we still won, and loosing thousands lives was worth it cause we saved Dnipr and Odessa. Oh they took Dnipr and Odessa, well see still worth it because we saved Kyiv. Oh they took Kyiv well we still won and sacrificing our army was worth it because we saved Poland? EU? cause surely they would've been next and we caused so many casualties to Russia  Huh

Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day  
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US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement...Ukraine is not directly involved in those discussions, despite the US commitment to "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine."
Even CNN sentiment and coverage appears to be changing, realpolitiks

Russia broke all Minsk agreements with Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022.

When dealing with Russia, the "guarantees on paper" are worth less than the paper they are written on.

The West needs to understand that this conflict needs to be resolved militarily not only in Ukraine.

As long as the Russian regime is not defeated, this aggression will continue in other countries.

Russian military needs to be defeated, Moscow needs to be captured, and all Russian nuclear weapons need to be disarmed and deactivated.
legendary
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition

That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property?

BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR.

And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not:

In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite.

If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain?

The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch.
Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev.
At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it.

This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2s

I was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia.
His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed.
-shit they are shooting at us
-shoot them
-the gun is stuck
-let's run away and hide

Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed.

It could be better for US but i fail to see how that's better for Ukraine? Every day hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers die and more land is lost, i don't see how that can be better for Ukraine? Minsk agreements (guaranteed by Germany and France) called for autonomy for LPR and DPR, now Russia controls that plus majority of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv and Odessa also seem to be on the Russian radar. Whatever happens, happens for the best only works for propaganda. Oh they took Kherson and Zaporizhzhia? Well we still won, and loosing thousands lives was worth it cause we saved Dnipr and Odessa. Oh they took Dnipr and Odessa, well see still worth it because we saved Kyiv. Oh they took Kyiv well we still won and sacrificing our army was worth it because we saved Poland? EU? cause surely they would've been next and we caused so many casualties to Russia  Huh

Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day  
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US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement...Ukraine is not directly involved in those discussions, despite the US commitment to "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine."
Even CNN sentiment and coverage appears to be changing, realpolitiks
legendary
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The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch.
Actually they did help. Russians were pushed out and weren't able to take Kiev.
At this point the more Russians die in this war the better for Ukrainians and the numbers keep growing. If a weapon can add to that number it's always good to have it.

This is a good piece. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2s

I was amazed how young squad commanders are. This guy was a total newbie and apparently finished one of the best military schools in Russia.
His superior's vehicle was hit and he didn't know what to do, what date it is, how to proceed.
-shit they are shooting at us
-shoot them
-the gun is stuck
-let's run away and hide

Javelins and bayraktars are a waste of money here. These guys just want to get drunk and sleep in a warm bed.

legendary
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BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR.
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Makes sense to make Kherson part of Crimea, administratively, because of certain water issues.

legendary
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Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition

That's absurd. The commodities being stolen don't belong to the state, be it Ukraine, DNR/LNR, or Russia. Does the "recognition" now imply forced nationalization of all private property?

BTW grain is being looted in Kherson region and other areas not part of DNR/LNR.

And of course the "liberators" try to steal money as well, because why not:

In Melitopol, during an inventory of the premises of banking institutions, hryvnias of various denominations spoiled by employees of Ukrainian banks were found, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

... except the video shows what looks like IBNS theft protection dye. But that's not stealing because DNR/LNR amirite.
legendary
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Russia doesn't even control all of what is soon to be broken away as 'formerly part of Ukraine' so if they have an abundance of 'Ukrainian' grain, it is because someone in Kiev(-ish) Ukraine sold it to them from the central part of the pre-2022 country.  Since there is a general global hunger for rubles, that would make sense.

They control southern areas where a large part of Ukrainian grain production is. And there are many reports of Russians loading and transporting grain to Crimea, if you bothered to look outside of your bitchute safe space.

Yup.  That's how it works now.  The Donbas, Russia proper, and other countries in Central Asia produce a variety of things including steel.  Passing through the port of Mariupol as part of their journey to global markets does not necessarily imply that they are 'looted' (unless you are propagandized retard.)

Nonsense, global markets LOL, you just post random words now. The ship goes from Mariupol to "Russia proper". They're taking something that doesn't belong to them AKA stealing.


Russia recognized DNR and LNR as independent states, rest of the world did not, so all of accusations of stealing stem from that. Following that logic you might as well claim that they used "stolen" port and stole ships in Crimea for transport. Since Crimea is in a similar state of world recognition

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Ukraine Accuses NATO's Turkey Over Stolen Grain Before Lavrov Visit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-accuses-natos-turkey-over-stolen-grain-before-lavrov-visit/ar-AAY2niJ

Geopolitics was never fair, a lot of people thinking that someone else had their best interest will be disillusioned, people will be told how they should feel about things once men in power reach agreements behind closed doors. Always has, always will be
legendary
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Russia doesn't even control all of what is soon to be broken away as 'formerly part of Ukraine' so if they have an abundance of 'Ukrainian' grain, it is because someone in Kiev(-ish) Ukraine sold it to them from the central part of the pre-2022 country.  Since there is a general global hunger for rubles, that would make sense.

They control southern areas where a large part of Ukrainian grain production is. And there are many reports of Russians loading and transporting grain to Crimea, if you bothered to look outside of your bitchute safe space.

Yup.  That's how it works now.  The Donbas, Russia proper, and other countries in Central Asia produce a variety of things including steel.  Passing through the port of Mariupol as part of their journey to global markets does not necessarily imply that they are 'looted' (unless you are propagandized retard.)

Nonsense, global markets LOL, you just post random words now. The ship goes from Mariupol to "Russia proper". They're taking something that doesn't belong to them AKA stealing.
legendary
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Meanwhile in Ukraine - looting on an industrial scale, thousands of tons of grain and steel being transported out of the occupied territories:

Russia's theft of Ukrainian grain appears to be ramping up as it continues its war on the country, according to new satellite photos of the Crimean port of Sevastopol.

Two Russia-flagged bulk carrier ships are shown docking and loading up with what is believed to be stolen Ukrainian grain in the images. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of "gradually stealing" Ukrainian food products and trying to sell them.

Russia doesn't even control all of what is soon to be broken away as 'formerly part of Ukraine' so if they have an abundance of 'Ukrainian' grain, it is because someone in Kiev(-ish) Ukraine sold it to them from the central part of the pre-2022 country.  Since there is a general global hunger for rubles, that would make sense.

The new images from Maxar Technologies, dated May 19 and 21, show the ships -- the Matros Pozynich and the Matros Koshka -- docked next to what appear to be grain silos with grain pouring off of a belt into an open hold. Both ships have now left the port, according to the ship tracking site MarineTraffic.com, with the Matros Pozynich sailing through the Aegean Sea claiming to be on its way to Beirut and the Matros Koshka still in the Black Sea.

Maxar is CIA and capable of taking satellite photos of places where they don't even have satellites flying.  We saw that in the Bucha and Mariupol 'mass graves' hoaxes.

As for shipping grain or anything else, Ukraine, in a stroke of genius, mined their only remaining port then lost their ability to de-mine it.  The Russians are the only ones who could do it, and probably will get around to it someday...in exchange for payment in rubles, gold, or if we're lucky, BTC.  Of course if they do go ahead and take Odessa they'll have the area de-mined within a few days and Ukrainian grain can flow semi-freely (once the duties and transport safety fees and other forms of extortion are paid.)

A ship has left the Ukrainian port of Mariupol for the first time since Russia took the city and is headed east to Russia with a load of metal, the Russian-backed separatist leader of the Ukrainian breakaway region of Donetsk said on Tuesday.

Ukraine said the shipment of metal to Russia from Mariupol, whose capture gave Moscow an overland bridge linking mainland Russia and pro-Russian separatist territory to annexed-Crimea, amounted to looting.

Yup.  That's how it works now.  The Donbas, Russia proper, and other countries in Central Asia produce a variety of things including steel.  Passing through the port of Mariupol as part of their journey to global markets does not necessarily imply that they are 'looted' (unless you are propagandized retard.)

legendary
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So you gave up pretending that you have something to say on topic and will just spam random shit here?

Meanwhile in Ukraine - looting on an industrial scale, thousands of tons of grain and steel being transported out of the occupied territories:

Russia's theft of Ukrainian grain appears to be ramping up as it continues its war on the country, according to new satellite photos of the Crimean port of Sevastopol.

Two Russia-flagged bulk carrier ships are shown docking and loading up with what is believed to be stolen Ukrainian grain in the images. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of "gradually stealing" Ukrainian food products and trying to sell them.

The new images from Maxar Technologies, dated May 19 and 21, show the ships -- the Matros Pozynich and the Matros Koshka -- docked next to what appear to be grain silos with grain pouring off of a belt into an open hold. Both ships have now left the port, according to the ship tracking site MarineTraffic.com, with the Matros Pozynich sailing through the Aegean Sea claiming to be on its way to Beirut and the Matros Koshka still in the Black Sea.

A ship has left the Ukrainian port of Mariupol for the first time since Russia took the city and is headed east to Russia with a load of metal, the Russian-backed separatist leader of the Ukrainian breakaway region of Donetsk said on Tuesday.

Ukraine said the shipment of metal to Russia from Mariupol, whose capture gave Moscow an overland bridge linking mainland Russia and pro-Russian separatist territory to annexed-Crimea, amounted to looting.
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The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
The Javelins didn't help, the Bayraktars didn't help, the M777s didn't help, but multiple launch rocket systems will definitely help. A good plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch.
legendary
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The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.

It worked in 2014 Smiley

2014 worked to get a LOT of people in Ukraine, and probably even a fair number of people in the Western areas of the country, to hope for a Russian 'win' because, among other reasons, the resulting society will be better for them and their families.  This translates into it being relatively easier for groups of conscripts (or even professional military) to surrender, but more importantly, to give away intelligence information for the Russians to use in targeting and what-not.

The (internationally recognized) 'leadership' of Ukraine wants an 'implosion' of Ukraine so that they and their international friends/sponsors can sweep up the pieces and sift out the ones which are of value.  (Same in the U.S., BTW.)  You could say these are the 'Jewkrainians', but that would be simplistic and imprecise shorthand.  If the concept is useful at all, it should be used with care so as to not fall into a variety of traps. Foremost of which would be unethical treatment of souls who are not culpable.

What the 'neocon' installed power structures leveraged would be the 'force multiplication factor' of employing brutality and terrorism.  That's why the alliance with 'Nazism'.  At least as the label which gets traction in the 2000's mindset due to half a century of careful narrative shaping.  'Nazi' has been basically reduced down to the sub-set of 'brownshirt goons' in the minds of most people, and entities like 'Right Sector' and 'Azov Battalions' do match that pretty well.

There are very few potential powers who do not benefit by what can effectively be described as 'destruction' of the existing Ukraine, or at least pre-2014 Ukraine.  IOW, Ukrainians have few or no friends, and 'NATO' is actually one of the least friendly and a pretty poor basket into which to place one's eggs.

It's a long way from a sure thing that 'alignment' with the 'Russian block' would result in a decent long-term outlook, but that's certainly the bet I would make if I were a run-of-the-mill Slavic Ukrainian given the alternatives.  

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The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.

It worked in 2014 Smiley
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My personal view is that selling material that will be used to defend the Ukrainian territory is legal and does not remove "non-belligerent" claims, as long as it is not used to strike in Russian territory - again IMHO even that would also bee acceptable if targeting troops or means used for the invasion. That is why US and UK have been very reluctant to send their versions of MLRS (the HIMARS) which have nothing to do with the RF MLRS - much longer range, technologically advanced munitions.

So, for now, even M777 that are used within Ukraine are perfectly acceptable IMHO. The switchblades, Javelin, etc.. are pretty much defensive weapons just to provide infantry with a fighting chance against armoured groups.

On Iran closing Ormuz, I do not see how that could be a defensive act. Attacking or blockading ships would be an act of war and it would justify a strong response.

The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
legendary
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Russian military equipment is usually easier to manage than Western ones, but nonetheless. If a person knows how to control a missile system well, he can successfully do it at the age of 50, and even at 60.
Yes, it's all normal. When you start running out of youngsters you can try to recruit veterans who fought in The Afghan War. They should be in their 50s and 60s now and Russia seems to be in need. If they die the state will have less pensions to pay out so it's all good.


Some battlefield hide and seek.
Look at them trying to be smart and hide behind some trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuE9H9KJ1VU



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Do not die for Putin

Meanwhile:

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-raises-military-age/31867388.html

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MOSCOW -- Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.

According to the bill, which had all three readings approved on May 25, men up to age 65 will now be eligible to serve in the army. The new limit also applies to foreign nationals wishing to serve in the army as well.

Any volunteer? Branko, you can go there an participate of the glory! Come on!



Any volunteer to get inside one of these?



I did my turn when we fought Serbian fascists...if someone should practice what he preaches, its you...after
all, what you're afraid of, Ukraine is, by your words, winning everywhere, and easily

Branko, at this point you should have figured out that I am against the war. You seem to be justifying it and interested in continuing it.

BTW, you should start thinking who are the fascists on this case. You may be missing your real enemy.

According to so far unconfirmed reports, Kamyshevakha has been taken. For Russia, the operational space is open for the assault on Lisichansk from the south. It seems that the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas is becoming critical.

What I am seeing in Popasna area is precisely the opposite. However, Kamy does not confer any particular advantage. Free to believe whatever you want though, I have to congratulate you for managing your expectations so greatly from "Kyiv will fall in a week" to "hey, hurray! We took this village... no not that one, the other one with two streets and twenty houses, see there in that corner"

I don’t understand what surprised you so much in this law that you have already mentioned it several times? This is the case when the legislative initiative adequately responded to the changed requirements of real life. The 40-year limit was too strict and was actually abolished, increased to the retirement age limit. The modern army is not only and not so much drill on the parade ground and forced marches in full uniform over rough terrain, but also the management of complex equipment, which requires a fairly long time to learn.

Look at the attempts by Western instructors to hastily train Ukrainian soldiers in the handling of Western military equipment. After a few weeks or even a couple of months of intensive express training, the success of the Ukrainians in shooting from American howitzers is more than modest (let's face it - they have not learned how to shoot accurately from them). Russian military equipment is usually easier to manage than Western ones, but nonetheless. If a person knows how to control a missile system well, he can successfully do it at the age of 50, and even at 60.

So, are you volunteering then? You seem to be able to slam a keyboard, you must be able to use a T-62.

I am not surprised by the law, it simply makes the situation clear for everyone to see: Less and less people in the RF are willing to die for Adolf Putin. I cannot blame them.

RE training of Ukrainians soldiers and their accuracy... well, just do not try to cross a river again near them:

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Ukraine is, by your words, winning everywhere, and easily

I think you made that up, as you often do. Ukraine will likely win eventually, not easily though, and I haven't seen paxmao claiming otherwise.
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Any volunteer? Branko, you can go there an participate of the glory! Come on!
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I did my turn when we fought Serbian fascists...if someone should practice what he preaches, its you...after
all, what you're afraid of, Ukraine is, by your words, winning everywhere, and easily

Isn't this the guy who claims to be doing more than his part by sitting behind his keyboard and posting on the internets because he is so effective?  Maybe it was one of the other jack-offs.  Hard to keep track of them.

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According to so far unconfirmed reports, Kamyshevakha has been taken. For Russia, the operational space is open for the assault on Lisichansk from the south. It seems that the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas is becoming critical.
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Meanwhile:

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-raises-military-age/31867388.html

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MOSCOW -- Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.

According to the bill, which had all three readings approved on May 25, men up to age 65 will now be eligible to serve in the army. The new limit also applies to foreign nationals wishing to serve in the army as well.

Any volunteer? Branko, you can go there an participate of the glory! Come on!



Any volunteer to get inside one of these?



I did my turn when we fought Serbian fascists...if someone should practice what he preaches, its you...after
all, what you're afraid of, Ukraine is, by your words, winning everywhere, and easily
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