Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 331. (Read 77054 times)

Russians have intentions to use chemical weapon in Mariupol. One of officials of DPR even said it on Russian TV without hiding it:
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/dpr-militia-hints-at-possible-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-mariupols-azovstal-steel-plant-articleshow.html
If it will really happen (I hope that no), how West would react to it? Last month Biden said that US and NATO would respond to it.

That's serious statement, but far from reality. If Russian soldiers aren't shooting at civilians, then who killed all these civilians in Ukraine. And please don't say again about fakes from Ukraine. How you can deny these proofs of Russians shooting civilians that were filmed on video. For example women on bike from Bucha. And nothing surprising that Russians don't believe in cheap Ukrainian propaganda. They prefer to believe in expensive Russian propaganda.
About below part of your post. Yeah, big part of Ukraine is Russian speaking, but it doesn't makes them pro-Russian. After war started, there isn't much love to Russia left.

Good video  with strong message. It's nothing surprising that Ukrainians don't show much love to Russians now.  But this video isn't something special or unique after all things I saw on social media after war started.

Instead writing 20000+ letters article, I pointed you at some that other people wrote, and that I mostly agree with.
You ignored them all and continue with your arglebargle and propaganda
Good luck

I am afraid you need to do better yourself.  You see, normally I would support a "broader view of events", but the fact that Putin attacked militarily Ukraine is one of those things that do not require much of an analysis.

Now, for now you have compared the situation with Cuba, Irak, Syria,... is that what you call "broader view"?   (Oh sorry, you do not like questions).

I you want a broader view, have it:

Putin considers Ukraine his backyard. It is the buffer that separates Russia from what he considers an "enemy" and a territory that is important for several economic and political reasons. IMHO Western Europe is not an "enemy" but it is certainly a "rival". Notice that the difference here is the use of force or the use of diplomacy and influence. And yes, EU is interested in being a partner of Ukraine and establish mutually beneficial trade relationships. Yes, EU and US are interested in Ukraine becoming an ally (who wouldn't), IMHO not a member of NATO but something alike.

Putin has failed to gain the support of the Ukrainians and, despite trying to have a government of his liking, he has failed to achieve it. He also has failed to have a wide support from Ukrainians for some short of partnership or at least a declaration of neutrality.

The war is a result of his inability to reach his desired goals by pacific means, as simple as that. He failed to seduce the girl and decided that the best alternative is to rape her. Though luck my friend, the girl has sharp nails and a knife hidden in her purse.

And now, if you want to speak about the ethics of this compared to US actions in Irak, or French actions in Mali or current Russian actions in Mali and several other places in Africa (see Wagner Group) where no journalist would ever set foot you will reach the conclusion that the world is full of crap. Yet still, that does not make this war good nor justifies.

I'm not talking about some nebulous "events", I'm talking about the invasion that this thread is about and the war crimes that your "question" was about.

Same goes for me...but he used that kind of loaded questions like 10 times on me...just wanted him to taste his own medicine
Also, you have to have much broader knowledge about events, as "Russia attacked Ukraine" is pretty simplified version for general,
mostly dumb and uninterested public
I bet you can do better, but I don't know if you want to

I know it's not addressed to me but it's an absurdly propagandist question to ask.

For example, I don't support POW torture but I support Ukrainians defending their country by other means, such as killing non-POW enemy troops using conventional warfare; I don't support Russian forces killing civilians but I would support Russians if they were to defend their country from e.g. China or some other aggressor.

But the fact right now is that Russian military invaded Ukraine so there is no "both sides equally bad" bullshit here. Invaders must go home or die.

If 10 years later Ukraine proclaims that Russians are nazis and invades Voronezh we can reapportion the blame.

Thus Putin is right? He is all right invading because some crazy bastard is killing PoWs? I am kind of believing that they are killing PoWs and make it public because, unfortunately, makes perfect sense (in a twisted and pathological manner) to deter the young soldiers giving their lives for no reason in the future.

This leads to the same pattern of you posting story: Putin is right, you see, "Ukrainians are killing PoWs, so Putin is all right bombarding at will".


You are just jealous of gays because they really know how to throw a party with style and you don't.

Amazing how pro-nazi and pro-gay and God can be mixed in the same paragraph, you have outdone yourself.

Russian POW gets a knife jammed into his eye socket until he dies

If you did not want me to talk about the phone call, why did you make it the largest part of your post?
The gigantic transcript of the conversation was impossible to ignore, so I've decided to talk about it.

Those guys who made the call did not murder the person they were talking about, even though you tried to show their conversation like it was an example of a war crime.

Also, some of your other links are pretty weak as evidence of war crimes too, for instance that guy dragged towards his dead companions. There's no evidence that he was killed, on the contrary, he was listed on the telegram channel Ищи cвoиx (https://t.me/rf200_nooow) as a captured POW. Don't expect Ukrainians to give him a shot of vodka and shake his hand. You don't know how many people he managed to kill before he was taken down.

Where did I do such a thing? I am simply establishing that your posting story is justifying any act of Putin's army and all his decissions.

You see, even the way you ask... that is a loaded question... how can you support people who does XYZ? Wrong question. The right thing to ask is do you support the people who did that? The answer is of course not.

With your story of posting, it is funny who it is you asking this.

See? You're so brainwashed, its unbelievable
How can you support people who torture POWs, and then burn them alive?

Sure, let's have a look at your stuff there:


Yep yep... we all know your arguments: Americans are bad, it is ok to kill and destroy because Americans are bad and they did it first and Americans are bad and Iraq and Syria are bad so it is Ok if civilians are killed because Americans did it first... and the world is bad, so it is ok to be bad.

Result: Putin is not responsible, it just the world.

You said you were Croatian? It is difficult to believe. Croatia and probably yourself if you are who you say you are only exist because they decided to intervene.


Yeh, it is not Putin, he is just doing what he has to do because the americans did it first and the world is bad... all the hate is created by someone else outside that want bad stuff for Russia. It is completely unrelated to the guy sending a 200k strong army into Ukraine, that is all right.

Result: Putin is not responsible, it just the world.


Yeah again, America is bad, Al Asad is just a good guy that never killed civilians, he just did what he had to because Americans did it first and because the world is bad so it is ok if he kills and destroys...

Result: Putin is not responsible of supporting Al Asad, it just the world.

Mmmm....I am starting to see a pattern here...

Any civilian they kill is labelled as a nazi and/or a terrorist, therefore no longer a civilian.

Putin's army has not reached Air Supremacy. Not in the first weeks, not now, the main reason is that Ukraine still holds a decent anti-air capability, recently increased by the way. Putin cannot use the aviation at will, that is certain simply looking at the evolution of the war.

 They should have done so to be honest,  and they are, at least in theory, far superior in air warfare, but I assume they do not want to risk those planes as they may be difficult or even impossible to replace and the are needed for "defence in case the NATO attacks". It is far better to use rockets that are about to expire and a few hypersonic (incredibly expensive) just for show and if a building full of people or two are hit in the process... well... that is a problem for the denying department.

On top of that seems like your "modern warfare" manual is outdated. There are quite a few wars in which air supremacy was undisputed but in which countries resisting with asymmetric tactics, difficult terrain, urban warfare or simply a population that does not accept the invaders ended up in long wars that were not "won" nor even marginally by the aggressors. I would not class Vietnam as "modern" but it would be a clear example, with no doubt about who had the air advantage.


It must be then be only army in the world that does not have (or creates) psychopaths. So all the buildings, nearly all Mariupol and all the area around Kyiv was assumed to be fully empty of civilians when shelled? Interesting that you consider your view "sober understanding of the situation" and say this a few minutes later.

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This is not a real execution. I added a warning label because I don't think this kind of scene is recommended for sensitive people.

Your wording seems to imply that this was a real execution. I hope that's not your intent.

An advertisement video appeared on social networks in which a woman in national Ukrainian clothes cuts the throat of a Russian man.
The video is accompanied by English subtitles.



This woman was identified as Lviv theater actress Andrianna Kurylets.
The footage contains scenes of violence! Link to the source: https://twitter.com/pilotmsv/status/1513131559834079234

Hi how is your day!
https://youtu.be/L_fIoYciWxI

I always say: if Germans killed as many Americans and Englishmen as they killed Russians,
there would be no Germans today...well, maybe few kept in ZOOs

Look what they did to Japan or Vietnam for much less casualties