Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 332. (Read 73557 times)

Hi how is your day!
https://youtu.be/L_fIoYciWxI

I always say: if Germans killed as many Americans and Englishmen as they killed Russians,
there would be no Germans today...well, maybe few kept in ZOOs

Look what they did to Japan or Vietnam for much less casualties

Remember one simple thing, and if you have a bad memory, then write it down and read it every day before breakfast instead of morning prayer - a Russian soldier will never shoot at civilians, he will rather shoot at his commander who gave him such an order. Therefore, absolutely no one in Russia believes in cheap Ukrainian propaganda fakes, it is simply impossible because of the peculiarities of our mentality.

I don't know how events in Ukraine will develop, the future has a probabilistic nature and there are always more than one options. I think the scenario of this operation was developed in the strategic planning center and it has a dozen stages (assuming that the second stage is now underway), with a lot of branches in case of various response options of all involved and interested parties and existing centers of power in the world. I will try to outline in general terms the option that seems to me now the most probable. Ukraine has already lost Crimea, DPR and LPR, just deal with it. Romania will not get Transcarpathia, and Poland will not get the Lviv region - under no circumstances will there be territorial concessions to Europe, let them wipe their drool - they will not receive gifts from Russia. If Poland does not heed the exhortations of NATO and turns its back on Ukraine, it will receive a knockout blow from Russia of such force that NATO will immediately begin to taper to the west. I think there will be no special problems with the entire left bank of the Dnieper, this part of Ukraine is mainly Russian-speaking and pro-Russian. After the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass and the cleansing of the bunker near Azovstal in Mariupol, the question will arise of what to do with western Ukraine, where anti-Russian sentiments are very strong and "demilitarization" by Russian forces can easily turn into a mass genocide. I think here even the active peacekeeping participation of a third conditionally neutral side may be required, and for this China seems to be the most suitable candidate. China has a large, well-trained and disciplined army, and China's army is severely lacking in combat experience amid its evolving conflict with Taiwan (I think China last saw combat in 1979 or so). So there is a greater than zero chance that the Chinese army, supported by precision-guided missile strikes from Russia, will be engaged in the demilitarization of western Ukraine in order to continue to stop the supply of weapons from the West. Ukrainian 600 thousand infantry without the support of armored vehicles and aircraft for China is a light snack, not exceeding its natural population growth per day.

Except you're been brainwashed much more than him

So why do Russians execute Ukrainian civilians now? Why do they kidnap and kill the administration of the towns and villages that they occupy?

And what if I will not want to give up my weapons? Or want to have Russians in my country?

https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

Can Ukrainians ask the Russians to leave?  Or do they have to shoot them between the eyes?

What if Ukrainians don't want to talk, do business, or have anything to do with Russians or Russia?
Do you think they would get the message and leave in peace?  Or would they have to leave in pieces?

What this war did, it made a lot of people really mad at Russia, and Russians, there will be no normal relationship between Ukrainians and Russians after this war is over.

All wars end.  This one will lead to the permanent separation of Ukraine and Russia. Too much blood has been spilled.

Russian culture will be permanently erased from Ukraine. No more Russian statues, cemeteries, or plaques.
The Russian language will still be spoken by some, but new generations will only speak Ukrainian.

Russia has created a real enemy for generations to come. From an otherwise friendly country. For what? Grand delusion of the Soviet Union?

In modern armed conflict, the one who controls the airspace usually wins. Russia took control of the air in Ukraine in the first hours of the start of the operation, it was then that everything was strategically over for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. That is why, for the entire first week since the start of the operation, Zelensky asked and even demanded that NATO close the airspace over Ukraine - because this is a key moment. Turkey has not joined the economic sanctions against Russia, but as a supplier of Bayraktars, it has done more for Ukraine than the US and Europe combined.

The only real advantage of Ukraine now is a noticeable quantitative superiority in manpower. If the third wave of mobilization is successful, Ukraine can, in 2-3 weeks, bring the strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 600 thousand soldiers and gain an advantage of 2-2.5 times over the number of Russian troops in Ukraine, together with the people's militia of Donbass. This is a noticeable advantage, and for defensive battles in urban areas - even overwhelming. And the difficult course of the cleansing of Mariupol shows this well. I am writing this paragraph so that you understand that I am not driven by naked jingoistic patriotism, but by a fairly sober understanding of the situation. Now reread the first paragraph again, because this paragraph does not cancel it.
I think nothing terrible will happen to them, neither mass genocide, nor concentration camps in Siberia, nor torture in the dungeons of the KGB, nor even hard labor in uranium mines. In Russia, in your kitchen at home, you can drink vodka with your friends and scold Putin as much as you like. Putin's rating was very low, it seems, in 2018, when he signed the law on raising the retirement age, although he had previously promised not to do this. The rating of the ruling party "United Russia" is still not too high, the people have not forgiven them for this. In general, people in Russia are very far from politics, well, except for taxi drivers (there is even a saying "it's a pity that everyone who understands politics is already working as taxi drivers and hairdressers"). People don’t hate Ukrainians either, if they don’t jump in front of you shouting “moskolyak to gilyak” and they don’t have a tattoo with a swastika on their forehead. There is rather a misunderstanding of how a fraternal country could lose its original identity in just one generation, ruin a powerful economy and industry inherited from the collapse of the USSR, and turn into an agrarian appendage of Europe with mass glorification of Bandera and the SS division "Galitchina", mixed with gay-parades. So don't worry about the Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or even the Ukrainian speakers - it's just that Russia will take away from you all the weapons more powerful than a hunting double-barreled shotgun and arrange a show trial of the Nazis, so that neither you nor others would be disrespectful. And then live as you want, God will be your judge.

What do you think will be done with Russian-speaking Ukrainians who do not want to be part of Russia, and who do not want a Russian puppet government in Ukraine?

Genocide? Concentration re-training camps in Siberia?

What exactly is the plan?

I am not even talking about the Ukrainian-speaking population, we all know that Russia just wants to exterminate them.

My question is to YOU.  What do YOU think needs to happen to Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are anti-Russia?

That is right, I am trying very hard to believe he just thinks he is doing some kind of patriotic work, helping his friends in the military or something like that, but if the guy is really believing all that... I do not feel capable of de-programming someone with that level of brainwash on-line.

You continue to spread lies and misinformation here, and I have no idea why. The Russian invasion has already failed in its primary objectives, and is being reorganized to accomplish secondary objectives, the so-called "phase 2". However it will also fail, and all that will remain in the end are the thousands of lives that were lost in vain.

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Yes, Ukrainians will suffer ... But Ukrainians will be helped, and their cities will be rebuilt. Russian suffering, however, is yet to come and will last for decades.


And whose fault is that?

Ukrainians will suffer...but I don't think you should blame them...outside factors want Russia to bleed, and they'll help Ukraine,
but they're not interested in Ukraine fast win, they want both sides destructed as much as possible
Sowing as much hatred is one of goals

I think paxmao is giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you couldn't be dumb enough to genuinely believe the shit you're posting.

Yes, they are still my friends. You don't have to think the same way to be friends.

You and I are talking here, and the soldiers on the battlefield are doing their job. And the Russian soldiers are doing their job well. Europe's monetary and military aid will not help Ukraine against Russia, just as it has never helped Europe itself. There is no question of "who will win?" There are only questions of the number of victims and the scale of destruction.

There are such friends who are better to have as enemies, so they are at least of some use. But it is more prudent and much more profitable to be friends with Russia than to fight. Russia does not need a devastated Europe, it is beneficial for the United States, but not for Russia. Therefore, Russia does not break ties with Europe in a unilateral fashion, despite the hysteria with sanctions and the anti-Russian rhetoric of a number of European politicians.

You mean that some Russians do not support Putin's war? And some of them were your friends?

I rarely post videos nor see videos from other people's post, since most of the time they are intended to increase the algorithm ratings of propaganda , but this one is very illustrative of the true reasons behind this aggression and is relatively neutral, just states the strategic contex.

https://youtu.be/BftqoZOryDo?t=629

It even explains Chinas yes / but no / but maybe position.

The bit that bests responds to the reformulated strategy would be here:

https://youtu.be/BftqoZOryDo?t=889

If you see this, you may understand why Europe will not stop sending resources to help Ukraine.

Russian soldiers are banned from smartphones for security reasons. The experience of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine, who first post their geolocation on the net, and then a rocket flies there and turns them into a piece of "well done" meat, clearly hints that these precautions are not in vain. They seem to be able to use a regular cell phone to call their families. Smartphones can also be used by operators of reconnaissance drones for official purposes and fighters of the Chechen Kadyrov Regiment (for whom the issue of their combat image in the media space is apparently more important than personal safety).

It was a big mistake for Ukraine to torture and execute Russian prisoners of war on camera. I personally know people with combat experience who a month ago had a neutral or even negative attitude towards this operation, and now they are ready to take up arms again.

It appears in the case of Ukraine that the Russian troops were mostly lied to about the reasons they are fighting. Before the invasion, Putin had publicly said the reason for the military buildup was a training exercise, and it appears the Russian troops were fed the same lie. There are also reports that Russian troops had their phones confiscated so they cannot speak to their families to get a more accurate understanding of the war.

There are some signs that Russia is planning on using similar tactics as Putin did in the second battle of Grozny, as there has been some indiscriminate shelling of buildings, and the bombings of the childrens hospital.

 

I think I got promoted, I'll take that as a compliment.

Cluster warheads are designed to destroy manpower and lightly armored targets; unlike high-explosive ones, they do not cause significant infrastructure damage. Many civilians died in this terrible tragedy, but the railway station itself did not seem to have been particularly affected.

Why would Russia attack station with rocket made to kill people, and not with one that would destroy
train station? Damage to station itself is negligible.
Russia instead supposedly used rocket made to damage their reputation

Remember Assad? That stupid guy always gassed his own people when it was politically worst moment for him.
(or at least USA media wanted us to believe that, but UN investigation told otherwise)

You are not a victim of propaganda, you are the propaganda.

You have given details but no proof. E.g. How much of the fuel was left. In your expert opinion, how did the very knowledgeable Russian Ministry of whateverthef*ck measured the remaining fuel of that (exploded) rocket on Ukrainian soil? Where is the proof of the "angle" you mention, how did they reach their conclusions?

You see, we poor ignorant people do not have St Nicholas cell number and are too poor to consult and Astrologist to find out, so we tend to rely on documentary evidence and, if not available, in some logic to the situation.

e.g. Why would Ukraine attack a train station that is critical to reinforce their troops.


And we all know who decides what is legal, don't we? You could as well put in there that all citizens are entitled to free hot-dogs on Saturdays.

Well, yes, there are probably groups of people in every country identifying as Nazi's. I know there are in US (at least the press tells me so) Here is one for Russia: https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535. Is it 100% factual, doubt it, but some parts probably are.

I think we are all a product of our environment.  Usually I like watching Fox news, but lately CNN has better coverage of  the the Russian terrorism in Ukraine. Neither channel is telling the entire truth though, just picking what they think will draw viewers!  (Fox would lead me to believe our VP is a complete idiot, can that be true?)

But, does perceived Nazism justify destroying two counties?


But back to the point, if Russia is the bastion of freedom of speech, whats with all of the protestors being arrested?

Ural, near Yekaterinburg.

It looks like you are a victim of Western propaganda.

I write here as a private person, for free, in my spare time and not affiliated with any pro-government structures.

Theoretically, I could face up to 15 years in prison for spreading fake news about the military operation in Ukraine. Or there may be trouble with the FSB for divulging information constituting a state secret (this is partly why I try not to pedal the subject of the internal structure of missiles in technical details). I have to pass my posts here through a self-moderation filter, which undoubtedly affects their objectivity and perhaps the overall tone of my posts from this is a little more pro-Russian than my true view of things. This does not mean that I am lying to you, it means that I say a little less than I could say about this.