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Quote from: OgNasty on September 07, 2023, 06:59:00 PM

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

They had already converted Putins flag ship The Moskva into a submarine months earlier.....no WW3.

Must be nice to get to play war games without even having to go through basic training and walk away with an IOU from Putin. Might come back to bite him though, when everyone starts trying to blow up each others satellites and the US Spaceforce has to prioritize defense.

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Quote from: Branko on September 07, 2023, 02:22:30 PM

Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 12:18:21 PM

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Sure... they went to Poland and then to Ruzzia. That is tooootally believable.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 07, 2023, 03:19:03 PM

Quote from: Branko on September 07, 2023, 02:22:30 PM

Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 12:18:21 PM

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Gotta subtract the ~900k that were forcibly deported and given "asylum" status if youre counting how many want to be there.

Maybe he is counting the ~~kidnapped~~ deported children as half too.

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Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

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Quote from: Branko on September 07, 2023, 02:22:30 PM

Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 12:18:21 PM

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Gotta subtract the ~900k that were forcibly deported and given "asylum" status if youre counting how many want to be there.

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Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 12:18:21 PM

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

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Quote from: boat287 on September 07, 2023, 11:38:11 AM

for all of u who really want to end the war, and the waste of american tax dollars that could be helping people in HI who burned to death in a fire, and millions of others, please sign up as a volunteer with the RFK campaign for democratic presidential nomination. u can find the info on the texans for RFK twitter id. i signed up today.

trump gets 40% Biden gets 40% approval, de santis gets 40%. ONLY RFK is getting 55% favorability rating across party lines. if we can make him the nominee we wont ever have Trump or Biden again.

If you want to actually make a difference you should sign up to help the people in Hawaii or maybe find a Kremlin approved volunteer position instead of wasting your time with RFK. He was polling well because of his last name. They didn't know he was a clueless conspiritard who's family consider him a disgrace in June. Now they do. (No offense to all the clueless conspiritards in this thread)

https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/joe-biden-rfk-jr-poll-sept-2023

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Quote from: Branko on September 07, 2023, 10:29:44 AM

Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 10:04:17 AM

For what I know, a few million left Ruzzia looking for the nearest Mc or Apple Store. Or maybe went to a country that would rather not force them to fight and die without any particular reason. Or maybe there are actually other things in Ruzzia that are more fundamentally wrong in the way it is run.

Much more people fled Ukraine, so by your logic its even worse country.
What is interesting, most of those that fled, went to Russia

People fled Ukraine because they are being killed in Ukraine, people fled Ruzzia because they did not want to be sent to kill and die for no reason or simply because they do not want to be there even if they are not being attacked so your usual argument of "is the same or worse" does not fly (not that it ever flies).

You are spreading false information, and worse, of the type that easy to debunk. Most of those who fled are living in Europe, and not in refugee camps, but working, living and understanding the benefits of joining the EU.

To be fair, I am missing on the graph the ones that went to UK and it may be old, - this may be a better source:

1.5 million to Ruzzia, Poland border alone is more than 4.5 Million.

https://reliefweb.int/map/poland/ukraine-situation-refugees-ukraine-across-europe-06-july-2022

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

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for all of u who really want to end the war, and the waste of american tax dollars that could be helping people in HI who burned to death in a fire, and millions of others, please sign up as a volunteer with the RFK campaign for democratic presidential nomination. u can find the info on the texans for RFK twitter id. i signed up today.

trump gets 40% Biden gets 40% approval, de santis gets 40%. ONLY RFK is getting 55% favorability rating across party lines. if we can make him the nominee we wont ever have Trump or Biden again.

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Quote from: paxmao on September 07, 2023, 10:04:17 AM

For what I know, a few million left Ruzzia looking for the nearest Mc or Apple Store. Or maybe went to a country that would rather not force them to fight and die without any particular reason. Or maybe there are actually other things in Ruzzia that are more fundamentally wrong in the way it is run.

Much more people fled Ukraine, so by your logic its even worse country.
What is interesting, most of those that fled, went to Russia

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Quote from: Branko on September 07, 2023, 09:56:12 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 06, 2023, 03:05:09 PM

Remember when the mouth breathers fell for "the dead bodies in bucha are fake" and then "the dead ukrainians in bucha were killed by other ukrainians, Russia was just occupying the town, that's all"

God that feels like forever ago.
Wonder what they would've said if someone predicted that in summer 2023 the special operation would be a war and crimea and Moscow would be facing regular strikes.

They will never learn.

Why is it hard to predict? If someone told me west will invest half a trillion I'd expect Ukraine to be in Moscow with troops already...
I mean they got 10 Russia yearly military budgets in just a year, and they're fighting army led by gravely ill commander,
using only shovels, few rusty t-34s, and 90% generals are already dead by Himars

Russia economy in shambles due to sanctions not imposed even on nazi Germany, and most importantly, no iPhones
and McDonalds...imagine moral of young Russians after Apple and McDonalds left

For what I know, a few million left Ruzzia looking for the nearest Mc or Apple Store. Or maybe went to a country that would rather not force them to fight and die without any particular reason. Or maybe there are actually other things in Ruzzia that are more fundamentally wrong in the way it is run.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 06, 2023, 03:05:09 PM

Remember when the mouth breathers fell for "the dead bodies in bucha are fake" and then "the dead ukrainians in bucha were killed by other ukrainians, Russia was just occupying the town, that's all"

God that feels like forever ago.
Wonder what they would've said if someone predicted that in summer 2023 the special operation would be a war and crimea and Moscow would be facing regular strikes.

They will never learn.

Why is it hard to predict? If someone told me west will invest half a trillion I'd expect Ukraine to be in Moscow with troops already...
I mean they got 10 Russia yearly military budgets in just a year, and they're fighting army led by gravely ill commander,
using only shovels, few rusty t-34s, and 90% generals are already dead by Himars

Russia economy in shambles due to sanctions not imposed even on nazi Germany, and most importantly, no iPhones
and McDonalds...imagine moral of young Russians after Apple and McDonalds left

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Quote from: paxmao on September 06, 2023, 12:51:37 PM

Quote from: Branko on September 06, 2023, 06:17:54 AM

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Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."

Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

Intercepted phone call between Russian soldier and his girlfriend from spring 2022:

Sergey: "They told us that, where we're going, there's a lot of civilians walking around. And they gave us the order to kill everyone we see,"

Girlfriend: "Why the fuck?"

Sergey: "Because they might give away our positions. ... That's what we're fucking going to do, it seems. Kill any civilian that walks by and drag them into the forest. ... I've already become a murderer. that's why I don't want to kill any more people, especially ones I will have to look in the eyes."

Ah, famous fake phone calls...CIA really prepared well for this war

So we have to give credibility to your story - which also tries to justify the kidnaping of Ukrainian children - but anything that does not fit your narrative is a CIA made? Or if some news are not to your liking is a psy-op to hide the great Putler plan for global ~~domination~~ harmony and peace?

An accusation of fake is not really an argument, but your are free to doubt - it may be even necessary for your mental health to not believe this.

Remember when the mouth breathers fell for "the dead bodies in bucha are fake" and then "the dead ukrainians in bucha were killed by other ukrainians, Russia was just occupying the town, that's all"

God that feels like forever ago.
Wonder what they would've said if someone predicted that in summer 2023 the special operation would be a war and crimea and Moscow would be facing regular strikes.

They will never learn.

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Quote from: Branko on September 06, 2023, 06:17:54 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 05, 2023, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."

Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

Intercepted phone call between Russian soldier and his girlfriend from spring 2022:

Sergey: "They told us that, where we're going, there's a lot of civilians walking around. And they gave us the order to kill everyone we see,"

Girlfriend: "Why the fuck?"

Sergey: "Because they might give away our positions. ... That's what we're fucking going to do, it seems. Kill any civilian that walks by and drag them into the forest. ... I've already become a murderer. that's why I don't want to kill any more people, especially ones I will have to look in the eyes."

Ah, famous fake phone calls...CIA really prepared well for this war

So we have to give credibility to your story - which also tries to justify the kidnaping of Ukrainian children - but anything that does not fit your narrative is a CIA made? Or if some news are not to your liking is a psy-op to hide the great Putler plan for global ~~domination~~ harmony and peace?

An accusation of fake is not really an argument, but your are free to doubt - it may be even necessary for your mental health to not believe this.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 05, 2023, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."

Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

Intercepted phone call between Russian soldier and his girlfriend from spring 2022:

Sergey: "They told us that, where we're going, there's a lot of civilians walking around. And they gave us the order to kill everyone we see,"

Girlfriend: "Why the fuck?"

Sergey: "Because they might give away our positions. ... That's what we're fucking going to do, it seems. Kill any civilian that walks by and drag them into the forest. ... I've already become a murderer. that's why I don't want to kill any more people, especially ones I will have to look in the eyes."

Ah, famous fake phone calls...CIA really prepared well for this war

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Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."

Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

Intercepted phone call between Russian soldier and his girlfriend from spring 2022:

Sergey: "They told us that, where we're going, there's a lot of civilians walking around. And they gave us the order to kill everyone we see,"

Girlfriend: "Why the fuck?"

Sergey: "Because they might give away our positions. ... That's what we're fucking going to do, it seems. Kill any civilian that walks by and drag them into the forest. ... I've already become a murderer. that's why I don't want to kill any more people, especially ones I will have to look in the eyes."

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I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"

Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."

Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

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Quote from: be.open on September 04, 2023, 03:46:42 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on September 04, 2023, 03:29:06 PM

What you're offering Ukraine to do? Sign act of capitulation?

How many more Ukrainians must die before this thought ceases to seem unacceptable to you?

A typical statement of a bully.

Let's picture another environment. Somebody comes into your home, ties you to a chair and starts pulling teeth, asking for all your money and for the location of your children so they can sell them to a brothel. You refuse and they ask the question you are asking. How many more teeth you have to lose before you give up? We can start cutting fingers too, how many more fingers until you start considering our proposal?

How many Russians have to die before they decide to go back home?

Quote from: be.open on September 05, 2023, 01:05:16 PM

Fresh Russian joke. Grin

Putin calls Sunnak:

This is already funny. You should tell that in Ukraine and they'll be laughing after the first sentence.

Quote from: paxmao on September 05, 2023, 01:55:28 PM

Oh, I think they got the conversation wrongly translated:

Putin: Hi Rishi, how many tanks did you send to Ukraine in total?
Rishi: 24 in total
Putin: Mmm strange, reports from my most loyal generals indicate we have destroyed 20 with a "precision strike", 10 more with drones, 85 with artillery fire and another 100 just throwing rocks at them. I have the suspicion that the figures from the drone operators may be inflated.

Much better than the original. Here's my attempt:

Putin meets with Lukashenko
-Hey Vlad, how many votes did you get in the last election? I had over 90%!
-110% my friend. Even unborn children vote for me.

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Quote from: be.open on September 05, 2023, 01:05:16 PM

Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 08:28:40 AM

Their delegation got rejected (and flee in panic):

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1698874142957752322

Fresh Russian joke. Grin

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Putin calls Sunnak:
- Rishi, how many Challengers did you deliver to Ukraine last week?
-14, Vladimir Vladimirovich
- Hmm, strange, so another one is riding somewhere.

Oh, I think they got the conversation wrongly translated:

Putin: Hi Rishi, how many tanks did you send to Ukraine in total?
Rishi: 24 in total
Putin: Mmm strange, reports from my most loyal generals indicate we have destroyed 20 with a "precision strike", 10 more with drones, 85 with artillery fire and another 100 just throwing rocks at them. I have the suspicion that the figures from the drone operators may be inflated.

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Quote from: Branko on September 05, 2023, 08:28:40 AM

Their delegation got rejected (and flee in panic):

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1698874142957752322

Fresh Russian joke. Grin

Quote

Putin calls Sunnak:
- Rishi, how many Challengers did you deliver to Ukraine last week?
-14, Vladimir Vladimirovich
- Hmm, strange, so another one is riding somewhere.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 05, 2023, 11:50:48 AM

Quote from: be.open on September 04, 2023, 03:46:42 PM

How many more Ukrainians must die before this thought ceases to seem unacceptable to you? I think no one will accuse the Ukrainians of cowardice, they have been fighting bravely for a year and a half against a rival many times superior in strength, without the slightest chance of success. Maybe it's time to listen to the voice of reason and to the banal instinct of self-preservation? As before, Russia does not require anything supernatural from Ukraine - only to respect the interests of Russian-speaking citizens and observe strategic neutrality. Is it really worth dying for?

I ask you from other side. How many more Russians will have to die for imperialistic Putin's ambitions? Back to your question, it's not up to me to decide what is acceptable for Ukraine and what is not.

So, you admit, then, that while Russia might get a broken bone out of this, Ukraine will be dead and gone if they keep it up the way they have been.

Quote from: LTU_btc on September 05, 2023, 11:50:48 AM

Quote from: be.open on September 04, 2023, 05:07:38 PM

Your optimism is encouraging, because the losses on both sides are classified, but sometimes terrible leaks come up, such as how the Ukrainian mobile operator Kyivstar recently let slip about 400,000 fallen heroes.

I'm wondering from where Kyivstar would have such information - thing that is kept like biggest secret in Ukraine. I assume that very limited circle of people in Ukraine knows real number of casualties and I doubt that Kyivstar have acces to these numbers.

The number of troops that existed before the war is basically known. Simple observations of how many fighting zones there are, and the 'pressure' that Ukrainian troops place against the Russians, is very telling. If Ukraine is keeping a large number of troops hidden for some final, gigantic battle, when is it going to make that battle happen? Looks like Kyivstar is within reason even if they are only guessing.

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