Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 73. (Read 73557 times)

Rooineks admit they could not fight Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/weakened-uk-military-two-months-war-russia/

It is a known practice from Russia to make themselves terrorist attacks in order to justify using even more means of war than they already have so I am not surprised at all.Just recall in 2002 when they blew up in a similar fashion blaming someone else and using that as a pretext to start a war against Chechnya.I also agree there will be no real winners here as both countries beside big losses in human life Ukraine more than 500.000 persons overall and Russia over 300.000 persons overall shows that they have both not won anything out of this war and Ukraine for sure didn't start the war.Russian economy has taken the hardest hit out of this war ongoing for more than 2 years spending a lot of resources and having difficulties now to be in the same economic power they were before the war.

Yeah, war is going for more than 2 years and there is no signs of near end of it. Hundreds of thousand people from both sides killed and injured, whole cities and infrastructure destroyed, lossing military potential. Considering these things, it will be difficult to call someone as winner.
And when Russia is advancing further and taking some ruins of what used to be town or village, such photos is best indicator what Russia brings.
BTW, it's fun to watch how Russia is desperately trying to blame Ukraine for terrorist attack in Moscow, despite that they have zero arguments and proofs to back their accusations.

Just look at the destruction on both sides. If this continues, I don't see how anybody can claim victory. Russia has recently lost 4 military ships and suffered damage to its refineries and Ukraine's power grid was attacked in retaliation, not to mention missile attacks on Kyiv and Lviv. Then there's a terrorist attack in Moscow and so it continues.
2 years forward and Russia will lose all of its military potential, while Ukraine will turn into a barren wasteland that nobody will be able to use for any agricultural or industrial production for another decade.

Fun fact, Russians are finally starting to admit that they're at war. after 2 years it's no longer a special operation

Really? So it was not you who claimed Russian missiles were responsible for destroyed Ukrainian dam 2 years ago?
Even some rooineks media reported it:
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-dambusters-strike-siverskyi-donets-28070617

Be... You would need like 100 missiles to take the dam down. This is not "pinpoint" accuracy, it is basic physics. Ruzzia knows that this would damage floodgates and part of the electrical infrastructure but not because they Psychos in your army would not want to destroy it completely, but just because that is as much as they can do.

You can say strikes are symmetrical, but I have provided figures that proof of asymmetrical the effects are but to put it even easier Ruzzia´s whole economy hangs on the nail of exporting oil, Ukraine does not in having gas facilities. Figures in my previous post show this to anyone willing to see it.

My guess is that Ukraine has not targeted more refineries, terminals and oil storage just because they did not have the native technology to do so, which now they do have and they were possibly on an agreement with US not to rise oil prices, which given the reluctance of MAGAs to fund the war does not longer matter much.

As said, keep some gas in a can, you may need it.

A massive missile strike on the ground infrastructure of the largest underground gas storage facility is an absolutely symmetrical Russian response to Ukrainian attacks on refineries. Just like the attack on the DneproGES. And no, this will not stop Ukraine, just as attacks on oil refineries do not stop Russia. Ukraine and the West imposed a war of attrition on Russia, and Russia accepted this challenge.

I would especially like to note the pinpoint accuracy of the strike on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station. The dam did not suffer any damage, but it will take about a year of restoration work to restore generation to at least 50% of its capacity. Ukraine has become an energy-deficient country and, instead of exporting energy, is now forced to import it.

You make a good point for Russia. Russia has stockpiles, and it is getting more from its allies.

Ukraine doesn't have any stockpiles. It is completely dependent on the US and Nato.... both of which are extremely limited in their stockpiles, having wasted them uselessly on Ukraine.

But the clincher is that when Trump gets in, there won't be any more supplies for Ukraine, period. To see why Trump will win... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63862655.

Well, I do not see how this may stop Ukraine. Ruzzia absolutely needs the oil exports not only to use the troops, nor only to be able to pay for the war, but to actually keep the basic social functions of a government and avoid a social collapse. It is highly dependent on the oil export to a ridiculous point.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus

Ruzzia's crude oil and other hydrocarbon exports is around 250 Billions. This is more than half of the total of Ruzzian exports and pretty much the only way to keep the war running. Ukrainian gas exports are not even in their top 5. The gas storage facilities that Europe uses, other than Ukraine, are definitely not in Ukraine.

So, yes Ruzzia can destroy valuable infrastructure and cause lots of problems sure, but the only way of seriously damaging Ukraine would be to close the Odessa port. On that, they have failed over and over.

If I were you, I would be trying to get used to many more hits in refineries and the progressive disappearance of the Ruzzian fleet in the Black Sea, because I do not think that is going to stop unless the US decides to send aid in the amount required to end the war - My guess is that they first want to make sure Ruzzia wastes all the Soviet era stocks.

I cannot blame the US them, it is a good tactic: Europe's economy is damaged, Ruzzia uses up their stocks of missiles and the huge piles of armoured vehicles from the Soviet era and even asks for more weapons from all the enemies of the US. Why do you think they are allowing the war to go on? You do not need to be a genius.

Puppets at the helm don't care, and their masters cheer for destruction of Ukraine and Russia both

I hope that after the recent loss of the DneproGES and Europe’s largest underground gas storage facility, Ukraine will begin to more soberly assess its capabilities in causing economic damage to Russia by attacking refineries. If 15,000 Western sanctions didn't work, why should drone attacks work?

So Security at the Crocus City Hall usually carry Guns, except on the day they need them.
The world is a stage.

The US is using Ukraine to push Russia towards a nuclear war. But they know Russia will never react like that except as a last resort. Russia holding off on the nukes is giving her time to prove that it is the US and Ukraine who are the aggressors... since Ukraine started it all in 2014 and earlier,


Deadly Moscow terror attack was clearly carried out with the help of Ukraine and the CIA

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-03-24-deadly-moscow-terror-attack-carried-out-ukraine-and-cia.html
In a horrific incident that has left the nation in shock, a large concert venue near Moscow became the scene of a mass shooting late Friday. The Crocus City Hall attack resulted in over 100 people dead, including children, and is one of the worst terrorist attacks in Russia's modern history. According to the latest estimates, at least 133 people were killed and scores injured in the deadly shooting and subsequent fire sparked by a group of gunmen who stormed the Crocus City Hall, a large music venue just outside of the Russian capital. Details are still emerging, but according to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), the attack was carefully planned and designed to maximize casualties. An investigation into the incident is underway.

Perpetrators detained: Eleven people, including four terrorists who were directly involved in the deadly shooting, have been detained, the FSB said in a statement on Saturday. According to the security service, the weapons used in the shooting were organized in a cache in advance. Russia’s Investigative Committee also confirmed that four suspects who “committed the terrorist attack” on Crocus City Hall were detained in Bryansk Region, “not far from the border with Ukraine.” According to the authorities, the terrorists planned to flee to Ukraine.

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Putin's address to the nation: Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the nation following the terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall. He expressed his condolences to the victims and families affected by the shooting, and said that everyone responsible for the tragedy will be punished. All the attackers involved have been arrested and the security forces are doing everything possible to protect Russian citizens against further mass murder, the president added. The main thing now is to prevent those who are behind this bloodbath from committing another crime, he said in the address on Saturday.

Terrorist attack suspect interrogated: On Saturday, RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan posted footage of the interrogation of one of the suspects. The man in the video claims that he went on the killing spree after he was promised 500,000 rubles ($5,400). The suspect also claimed that his handlers had instructed him as to where the attack should take place. He said he was ordered to “kill people there… doesn’t matter who.” The suspect claimed that the terrorist act was organized on Telegram with an unknown person who provided weapons.

During the attack, eyewitnesses reported that the gunmen opened fire at point-blank range on anyone who came within view. The attackers then set the building ablaze, causing a massive fire that quickly engulfed much of the seven-story structure, including the roof. Multiple fire brigades and aircraft were deployed to extinguish the flames, but around 13,000 square meters of the building were destroyed in the inferno.

Governments from across the world have expressed their condolences and support for the Russian people following the massacre. International organizations, as well as EU and NATO officials, have condemned the terrorist attack. Hundreds of mourners placed flowers at Moscow's diplomatic missions in various countries, including Mexico, Moldova, Serbia, Canada, the US, and Argentina. Meanwhile, dozens of Muscovites have been lining up at the city's hospitals to donate blood to the victims of the deadly shooting.

Earlier this month, the US issued a warning to its citizens in Russia, urging them to avoid public places and mass gatherings due to "extremists" having imminent plans for an attack in Moscow. Several other embassies followed suit, issuing similar alerts. However, White House adviser John Kirby has said Washington had no specific "advance knowledge" of Friday's shooting.

More links to Ukraine

The investigation into the horrific attack at a Concert Hall in the Moscow region has identified one of the attackers as Rustam Azhiyev, a former Ukrainian soldier who served in 2022. The White Renault automobile seen on dashcam footage outside the concert hall, with men exiting carrying rifles, was captured hours after the attack near Bryansk, Russia. The men inside, who had fled to nearby woods, were identified as citizens of Tajikistan.

The rapid development of this investigation has raised questions about why the suspects were traveling toward Ukraine when they are allegedly from Tajikistan and why one of the suspects has ties to the Ukrainian armed forces. As the world mourns the tragic loss of life in this senseless act of violence, it remains to be seen what further information will emerge from the ongoing investigation.

Huge emotional impact among the Russian people
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Oh, I can see that we now got two people posting smiles when people get killed in Ukraine. This is all your concern for peace and people not dying - you are a cynic and a psychopath (apart from that, your are a dumBAss)

And once again you get it wrong. There is no "retaliation", firstly because Ukraine is not invading Ruzzia, it is the opposite and if you choose to ignore that, Ruzzia has done the same several times without any other reason than causing problems to Ukrainians. There is no that much of an effect on the war, it does have an effect in the long term need to rebuild Ukraine.

Oh, before I forget, these strikes are not "revenge" or a decision taken in a day because, even for technical reasons it takes at minimum a month of planning to just program the missiles, get the ships / airframes / launchers in place ... no to mention gather enough missiles.

But this does not nothing but cause some problems, will not change the war. What could have a real effect is Ukraine being able to hit frequently the oil depots and refineries all over western Ruzzia - much better targets, much more expensive, much more difficult to repair and absolutely vital for the financing of the war.

BTW, it seems that Ukraine did get angry after all - there just seems to be a missile strike in Sebastopol.

Will Russia ever learn? Here they go, making the big, nasty, Ukraine angrier than all get-out. Will Russia even last out the year? 


Swathes Of Ukraine Go Dark After Russia Pummels Electrical Power Facilities In Huge Retaliation

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swathes-ukraine-go-dark-after-russia-pummels-electrical-power-facilities-huge
The Russian Defense Ministry (MoD) in a press briefing detailed its retaliatory attacks which it described as a direct response to the shelling of Russian territory. The MoD confirmed that it has hit "energy and military industry facilities, railway junctions and arsenals."

Significantly the country's largest hydroelectric plant at Dnieper has been shut down after what appears a major missile strike impacting its vital operations. Various regions impacted have been left without power, and there are widespread reports of new internet outages in Ukraine.

Russia's military touted that "all the goals of the massive strike have been achieved" - which reportedly included hits on "foreign military equipment and ordnance delivered by NATO countries" which were destroyed, according to state-run TASS.

Unconfirmed footage is widely circulating which shows a Russian cruise missile slam into the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Plant:


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#WATCH: The moment when a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile hit the Dnipro Hydroelectric Station this morning.

The missile can be seen releasing flares/decoys seconds before impact.
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President advisor Podolyak also denied news about this US request. But I kinda don't trust what politicians says and realactions is more important than words. This time it wasn't just words because Ukraine continues to attack Russian oil refineries. Today Novokuibyshevsk Refinery in Samaria region was attacked
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/one-dead-oil-refinery-fire-070805451.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABtuT1ZdTVWCKRp2gBHBIlj0Earyz8WKQj3b4E0NQEr1XppWY-8sNcevma2ockJvRBuk6C2eCGBS-Sg-LwAFSVG0yDoWP7Vt08KBqzl7IIM-YGiYMPlH7MIchoaFmi4CNx5_8VIVZwwuFjJtQC_JoCK_gEGdwtIjo3r57Snkr0Pq
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1771341143826919687

It would seem to me that it is Ukraine that does not care about "instruction from Washington". Was not your theory that they were "puppets" from the US / Jews / whatever?

But going back to real life, Ukraine can freely hit whatever they want in Ruzzia except perhaps nuclear facilities and the like. US is not sending the aid that is needed, Europe is trying but it takes time, but meanwhile Putin is planning the summer campaign. Now, how do you stop them? Shutdown the gas station.

The obvious problem is that the US is on campaign year, so the worry from Ukraine is about a government change that would make the support linger or stop or be subject to conditions that are not acceptable. Shutting down Ruzzian production makes oil more expensive and that is usually bad for re-elections.

Why has Ukraine taking this decision then? Because they need to - best option left. As simple as that, and my take is that if they do not get the US aid package, these strikes are going to be quite common.

Rooineks and Yankees again show that they're here for profit and don't care about Ukraine at all:

https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c

Or, according to our resident trolls here, more fire brigades and a shipment of "do not smoke" signs from any of their most trusted allies. I expect to see more of this in the very near future. The Ruzzian Federation is a very large territory, which is great when a Hitler or a Napoleon try to invade it, but not so great when it comes to defend the air space from relatively tiny UAVs that can fly low and follow pretty much any route of their choosing.

Also, it seems that the 155mm shells promised by Czechia are making their way into Ukraine. There is a good chance that Ukraine can balance the front to a greater extent. Next year is going to be quite important, given all the political situation in the US and EUs response to this uncertainty from the historic ally.

And it's not just random hits, but well prepared attacks because they're targeting most important and most important part of refinery - tower. Destroying such tower stop work of factory for long time. One such tower can cost something like 50-80 million and with western sanctionssuch thing will be very hard to get. It's not like getting microchips or iPhone through parallel import. But offcourse, someone is living in alternative reality and nothing didn't happened there.
Seems that these refineries now need to get their own air defense systems.