Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 68. (Read 73538 times)

Everyone here is too keen on discussing US assistance to be distracted by such trifles as the breakthrough in Ocheretino. Although he pretty much confused the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukraine still cannot stabilize the front line.

Well, I'm glad that the US is getting something for their money. I mean, killing all those troops off on both sides should be worth something, right? But it seems that one of the things that the US is doing is training Russia in their advancements... by accident, of course.


U.S. military and contractors are exploiting Ukraine conflict to test AI-powered military technology

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-04-26-military-contractors-using-ukraine-test-artificial-intelligence.html
The military-industrial complex of the United States is allegedly using Russia's special military operation in Ukraine to test new artificial intelligence (AI)-powered military technology that assists in detecting targets on the battlefield utilizing drone footage.

The technology, referred to as Project Maven, had its research acquired from the government by Google under a contract six years ago before being acquired recently by other contractors following opposition from engineers and other employees who did not want to be associated with creating an AI tool for military use.

Today, the technology is being tested on the front line in Ukraine, the New York Times reported, as Western and Ukrainian officers, together with some top military contractors from Silicon Valley, are "exploring new ways of finding and exploiting Russian vulnerabilities."

Thus far, the findings from the testing have reportedly been "mixed." While Project Maven permits commanders to identify the movements of Russian forces and utilize AI algorithms to predict their next steps, it has seemingly been "difficult" to bring "21st-century data into 19th-century trenches."

One of the biggest obstacles, the New York Times said, is that due to restrictions enforced by President Joe Biden, the U.S. military can only supply Ukrainians a "picture of the battlefield" without providing exact targeting details.

It is also unclear if the latest technology would even be able to alter the course of the war due to Russia's ability to adapt to emerging technologies being employed by Ukraine.
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The strategic planning of this war is known and now it is just a question of the US & Europe being able to execute the actions required. The "infinite" recruitment capacity of Ruzzia, its unlimited manpower are all myths. The frog needs unfortunately more boiling - this is part of the price to pay for all the time Ruzzia has ignored treaties - you cannot negotiate with such a bad faith in front.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-military-objectives-and-capacity-ukraine-through-2024

Ukraine is becoming so desperate.


Ukraine suspends visa renewals for military-aged Ukrainians living overseas as punishment for NOT DYING in battle with Russia

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-04-25-ukraine-suspends-renewals-military-ukranians-living-overseas.html
The Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs has announced that the country’s consulates abroad will be temporarily suspending all services to men aged 18 to 60 in what appears to be nothing more than a bid to force them to return home so they can fight in the war.

The country is currently grappling with a shortage of troops as they continue to battle Russia and hold the front line. The Russian army is currently much larger and better equipped than its Ukrainian counterpart, and Ukraine appears to be fighting a losing battle.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba explained the motivation for the measures in a statement on X, writing: "How it looks like now: a man of conscription age went abroad, showed his state that he does not care about its survival, and then comes and wants to receive services from this state. It does not work this way. Our country is at war. Staying abroad does not relieve a citizen of his or her duties to the Homeland."

The foreign ministry will be clarifying what military-aged men need to do to obtain consular services soon, but it is almost certain they will be forced to return home. A published letter indicated Ukrainian consulates will only issue documents to men in this age range abroad that enable them to return home to Ukraine, and the consulates in Prague and Barcelona have already stopped offering services to men of military age.

The state passport service issued a statement of its own indicating it cannot help Ukrainians abroad, saying: "Unfortunately, due to technical reasons, the issuance of ready-made documents in foreign branches of SE (State Enterprise) Document has been suspended."

According to the Eurostat database, around 4.3 million Ukrainians are currently registered in EU countries. Around 20% of them, or 860,000, are adult men.

Right now, Ukrainian men who are younger than 60 are forbidden from traveling abroad under martial law, but many are trying to avoid the draft by either attempting to bribe officials or by hiding somewhere within the country.
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One must think why the 60 billion aid to Ukraine has been passed with the support of absolutely all democrats, but also by nearly half of the Republicans. There is no doubt that the representatives had to come and face the truth: The US voters do want to help Ukraine and want Ukraine to succeed.

Putin has been defeated in the political US fight. Have no doubt he has done the best he could on regards to stopping the aid, buying wills and throwing money and extortion to the problem. But he failed. And is not like a one vote fail, is like 100 of 200 fail.

Trump has been absent from the conversation, but this is a political loss on his stance about Ukraine, within his own party - at most, coming off his usual naps during his trial for paying a sex professional - he tweeted that this is very costly and thee like. I guess that he is trying very hard to ignore that two thirds of that money goes directly to several US states currently held by Republicans - e.g. Mississippi or Texas in the form of military contracts of huge sizes.

This is a full-blown diplomatic and political catastrophe for Putin, who can brag about some advances in the front, but at this point clearly understands that the current strategy of using FAB and then sending the "turtle tanks" may be short lived.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/back-stock-state-russias-defense-industry-after-two-years-war

How a frog boils, but does not get out of the pan:

Ruzzia is planning to increase their weapons production, which can obviously be expected as the "Three days to Kiev" was cancelled and this is of course possible in a country were you can just ignore if the people would rather have better schools or better medical care.

What is significant is that the investment is not going to the latest in missiles, fifth gen fighters or sophisticated weapons that can penetrate any defence. They are going to produce... more shells. This gives an idea of how devastating this war has been for the best and most irreplaceable production of Ruzzia, now centering the efforts in first world war dumb explosives.

Given the size of the frog, this is not something to be taken lightly, but is a clear indication of how the future looks like for Ruzzia and for their reputation as weapons exporter too.

My guess? Putin is praying for a Trump victory, but should be careful of what he wishes on that regard.


Yes, a light brigade inadequately armed left positions. Another one was sent to stabilise. A not really unusual fuck-up, not a "collapse" but certain you are giving here a real frog leap into calling for recruiting teens. BTW women are already fighting for Ukraine, given a gun, they kill Ruzzis perfectly well.

But hey... perhaps they should learn from Ruzzia and send teenagers into military targets and then claim they were hit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelabuga_drone_factory



So, following your theory, Ruzzia is winning so big that they use teens in a drone factory, in which they get killed because Ukraine cannot hit Ruzzia???

Boil frog boil.

Is it time to mobilize women and teenagers yet? Because UA is winning so hard?

The aid to Ukraine has been signed by Biden, which was the only step left to start getting the supplies to Ukraine. Most of these are stored in Europe so they will start arriving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIxPNggr0U

To put things into perspective, this was all the aid sent to Ukraine from January 2022 to January 2024. It is easy to see that is a huge package.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

This is just all the aid until 5 months ago, just for measure.



And today it is Feodosia's turn to be attacked by drones, at an oil depot be the victim of someone smoking in the wrong place. It seems that there are plenty of places that can be easily be attacked by Ukrainian drones have people smoking around.

Maybe the resident trolls would like to evaluate how expensive this was and what little difference it makes, etc...?

https://t.me/feodosiyachat/132088

Edited to add: It seems that Ukraine is preferentially targeting Ruzzia air defence. Preparing the ground for the F-16?

Totally disgusting. Anybody who likes the Zelensky regime should go and fight for them so this kind of thing doesn't happen.


Kiev Regime About To Recruit Children In Schools

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https://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/kiev-regime-about-to-recruit-children?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Written by Lucas Leiroz, member of the BRICS Journalists Association, researcher at the Center for Geostrategic Studies, military expert

Forced to continue fighting, the Kiev regime is desperately trying to supply its troops on the front lines with new recruits. Having already exhausted its reserves, the Ukrainian government is now betting on recruiting children in schools as an efficient way of replacing its casualties on the battlefield. From a realistic point of view, however, such a measure tends to further increase the regime's unpopularity.

A bill is being discussed in the Ukrainian Parliament to establish basic military training in the country's schools. Ukrainian high school students would be required to undergo military training classes in schools, in which they would learn basic combat lessons, weapons handling, as well as receiving a "patriotic education" – which in Ukraine, as well known, basically means neo-Nazi, anti-Russian brainwashing.
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What did i missread or lie about? Shall we try a third attempt at forming a full question? You must be really slow to understand so let me try this one last time. I'm don't pretend to be a military expert so i don't speculate on daily events. As far as your so called "golfcarts" i have no idea if they're good or bad, but few questions come to mind from the top:
Would the occupants survive an anti-personnel mine?
Is it heavy enough to set off an anti-tank mine?
Do UAs rules of engagement allow Javelin use against a "golfcart" with one or two occupants?
What's easier to target with a drone, such "golfcart" driving at speed vs infantry on foot?
With so many drones covering the front lines, i'd imagine one would want to minimize time spent in the open moving between the tree lines?
Is there a better alternative for a fast evac of wounded?
Etc etc etc ...
You've been throwing these radical claims since you claimed that switchblades would be a game changer, and making fun of RU tank cages which Ukraine has since also implemented.

Lol you still refuse to accept that congress has previously approved $113B in "Ukraine" aid before?

Just as will these $60B. You really believed that all of $60B would go to Ukraine lol?

You made a claim implying unrealistic prewar costs of 155mm shells, Branko corrected you citing a full sentence with the current, actually relevant cost of 155mm shell. You started attacking irrelevant part about Excalibur shells and you're still the only one that keeps talking about Excalibur for some reason?

So your reply to Ukraine globally stopping providing consular assistance to almost half of its population outside of UA (all males from 18-65) is an article from 2022 about men leaving Russia during partial mobilization in Russia? Hmm ok sure

Actually, Excalibur is guided 155mm shell, Himars uses completely different (and way more expensive) ammunition

And yes, Ukrainians use them too:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3#:~:text=Interestingly%2C%20GAO%20declined%20to%20specify,vital%20Russian%20targets%20%E2%80%94%20such%20as

It was also confirmed today that will get ATACMS rockets with range up to 300 km. And as we already saw few times, it was actually already delivered to Ukraine and they already used it to hit targets in Crimea.
But that's not the most important thing. It was confirmed that Ukraine will get 7 Patriot systems - it's something that they needed a lot. I hope that Kharkiv, city who suffers most from Russian attacks will get at least 1-2 Patriot's.

Lying or misreading little troll??

- Ruzzia is sending people in unarmoured vehicles to the frontline. did you lie or misread?
- 60 Billion is nearly as much as the aid sent by US in two previous years - regardless if sent in weapons or cash - Now I know you have not misread, so this one is lying for you. The rest... textwalling, your favourite when your are caught.
- Fronts collapsing... Lying or lying? (I cannot give you the honourable option).


Excalibur shells are used for long range expensive targets. Are you trying to imply that is not the case?i

 (I did say HIMARS because I was thinking of the rocket, but they are fired by conventional artillery, so I am happy to correct THAT, which is irrelevant to the case)

Branko is trying to imply that shells fired by Ukraine cost 100.000 US which is not the common case. See, he does not lie, just uses partial information. I am sure you are very familiar with using partial information uh? But let's just quote the same source:


So now that you bring the topic, and for the benefit of those soldiers and people that you are trying to get to their deaths by trying to deny what this means: Excalibur is one shot one kill. Would you like to be on the receiving end thinking... "oh well, at least it costed them a lot".

People living Ukraine... yes it happens. See below a link.... about people leaving Ruzzia... Boiling frogggggg

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/border-fear-then-relief-men-fleeing-russia-2022-10-05/

I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.

"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.

Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.

"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.

"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for).  Just look into the previous $113B congress passed


And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too

"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you a bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?

Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians, guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket to execute American KPIsAnger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals

The important things:

- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.

I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.

The muddy waters in which some here live:


Little troll, you have a reading comprehension issue: Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS which is only used for the expensive vehicles - occasionally to kill masses with cluster munition. Please, educate yourself.

Branko is right (on this) at todays prices as I am right at usual market prices which are around 300 US. There is no lie, there is no mistake in understanding. Todays prices are today, as production expands price is likely to go back to the mean as I just said. I hope you are have reading comprehension as opposed to lying when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front? Would you like to admit that you were wrong or lying? Which of the two you like most?

Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?

You know what? It does not matter. At this point all Ruzzian soldiers and the command know what this means. I am sure that Ruzzis in the front feel very re-assured by your permanent denial of the fact that 60 billion of military equipment is going to be used on them. I am sure that the High Command of the Baltic fleet is very reassured by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps as the artillery and tank crews are very reassured because the price of the Excalibur that will kill them is expensive.

Keep on boiling frog and dreaming of front collapses. Unless you would like to admit that you are lying when you say the front has collapsed?


Me personally? I hope to save people from dying for the delirious dreams of a dictator or by giving any credits to the "information" provided by the resident trolls here,  and try to get a peace that I have enjoyed and wish for future generations. Unfortunately, none of that happens for free and without fighting.

He should personally go to Ukraine to explain situation to these people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KXhC8WREVKM

You waste your time eating meals now and again, don't you? So, why not watch the old Wizard of Oz movie, again. It was the straw man, the scarecrow, that had the brains. You just might learn how destroyed Ukraine really is.

Is that the same "hostile military alliance" that has gotten even closer to "their border" in the last couple of years? Such victory. Afghanistan 2.0 but more stupider.


Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.

LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?

Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.

Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.