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Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 01:11:32 PM

You were arguing that what I post is propaganda. I just wanted to show you what can be classed as such (despite not being necessarily a lie) and how easy is to find it so you may notice the difference. I can see you are starting to get the difference between "war porn", "cheering", "propaganda" and information that is relevant. One more example to see if you can find the seven differences:

This is a very real cost of keeping the war ongoing. In the years before, all the cost and all the infrastructure destruction was on Ukraine. Missiles flying only East to West. Now missiles (& drones) are also flying West to East. This is factual information, with a high degree of credibility and it is of strategic importance for the war:

This is the network of radars that Ruzzia uses to detect incoming ballistic threats. All short of threats (I am going to leave to you to figure out what "detection", "ballistic" and "incoming threats" mean).

Over a single week, Ukraine has damaged two of these (along with a few airframes). These are not just simple anti-air radars. They are building size and they will take a long time to repair or replace.

Why does this matter?

a) direct effect in "strategic blindness".

b) An economic effect in the war calculus: from we hurt Ukraine and it is "free" to, hey they can and will hit in stuff that hurts (that started with the Moscova BTW).

See, this is not propaganda, no tweets, no same thing...

Those radars are insignificant for current war, which is another sign that attacks are directed by UK/USA and probably preparation for nuclear assault on Russia
They serve as early warning against intercontinental ballistic missiles
Now, imagine if attack on such objects get falsely flagged as nuclear attack and Russia responds nuking England, how would you like it?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-strike-russian-nuclear-radar-163845828.html

“Not a wise decision on the part of Ukraine,” said Hans Kristensen, a nuclear arsenal expert at the Federation of American Scientists. “Bombers and military sites in general are different because they’re used to attack Ukraine.”

Thord Are Iversen, a Norwegian military analyst, said striking a part of Russia’s nuclear-warning system was “not a particularly good idea… especially in times of tension.”

“It’s in everyone’s best interest that Russia’s ballistic missile warning system works well,” he said.

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Quote from: Branko on May 28, 2024, 10:55:24 AM

A Ukrainian soldier was drove to suicide

https://seegore.com/a-ukrainian-soldier-was-drove-to-suicide/

If you won't suicide by yourself, your Ukraine commanders will get job done

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/12/17/ukrainian-soldiers-ordered-into-suicide-missions-nyt/

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240125/suicide-mission-ukrainian-troops-reveal-dire-situation-on-the-battlefield-1116376198.html

https://pledgetimes.com/a-ukrainian-armed-forces-soldier-shot-and-killed-his-colleagues-in-the-border-region-of-ukraine/

Ukrainian conscript soldier breaks down during frontline training (notice difference in morale of Ukrainian conscript and
American that is training him for meat grinder)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBE2Ijwfj08

@Paxmao I could continue on and on, but unlike you I don't enjoy war porn, and its really sad that Boris Johnson
prevented peace deal and forced all this to happen

You were arguing that what I post is propaganda. I just wanted to show you what can be classed as such (despite not being necessarily a lie) and how easy is to find it so you may notice the difference. I can see you are starting to get the difference between "war porn", "cheering", "propaganda" and information that is relevant. One more example to see if you can find the seven differences:

This is a very real cost of keeping the war ongoing. In the years before, all the cost and all the infrastructure destruction was on Ukraine. Missiles flying only East to West. Now missiles (& drones) are also flying West to East. This is factual information, with a high degree of credibility and it is of strategic importance for the war:

This is the network of radars that Ruzzia uses to detect incoming ballistic threats. All short of threats (I am going to leave to you to figure out what "detection", "ballistic" and "incoming threats" mean).

Over a single week, Ukraine has damaged two of these (along with a few airframes). These are not just simple anti-air radars. They are building size and they will take a long time to repair or replace.

Why does this matter?

a) direct effect in "strategic blindness".

b) An economic effect in the war calculus: from we hurt Ukraine and it is "free" to, hey they can and will hit in stuff that hurts (that started with the Moscova BTW).

See, this is not propaganda, no tweets, no same thing...

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A Ukrainian soldier was drove to suicide

https://seegore.com/a-ukrainian-soldier-was-drove-to-suicide/

If you won't suicide by yourself, your Ukraine commanders will get job done

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/12/17/ukrainian-soldiers-ordered-into-suicide-missions-nyt/

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240125/suicide-mission-ukrainian-troops-reveal-dire-situation-on-the-battlefield-1116376198.html

https://pledgetimes.com/a-ukrainian-armed-forces-soldier-shot-and-killed-his-colleagues-in-the-border-region-of-ukraine/

Ukrainian conscript soldier breaks down during frontline training (notice difference in morale of Ukrainian conscript and
American that is training him for meat grinder)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBE2Ijwfj08

@Paxmao I could continue on and on, but unlike you I don't enjoy war porn, and its really sad that Boris Johnson
prevented peace deal and forced all this to happen

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Quote from: Branko on May 28, 2024, 06:21:45 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")

Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets

Yes Branko, the problem seems to be that the Ruzzian command does not believe you. You have to explain to them that it is OK to keep their aircraft in the forward bases, because they are so confused by propaganda that they have moved them well away from ATACAMS range.

If I wanted to provide some less validated information o something more like "cheering"... well there is plenty to choose from...

Like a 97% personnel loss in an attack in Vulhedar...

My guess is that Ruzzian soldiers know what happens when you go into "recovery"...

https://x.com/i/status/1795098916347601250

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About 28 military personnel who were previously wounded in Ukraine are being held by force in a pre-trial detention center in Yakutsk for refusing to go back to war . Physical violence is used against military personnel, as well as other forms of torture : they limit the ability to go to the toilet, play music at full volume (Shaman).

So they would rather suicide (viewer discretion advised)

https://x.com/i/status/1792639233129075030

Another...
https://x.com/i/status/1795382356133769610

Another...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOnBwdHWwAEwfoj?format=png&name=small

"Ruzzian troops..."

Fresh recruits... it is ok to have heart disease, you won't be needed for long anyway...

https://x.com/i/status/1795118638875205787

See.. there is plenty of information out there that is difficult to check, so I recommend people who want to enlist in the Ruzzian army to "do their own research".

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")

Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 27, 2024, 03:16:49 PM

Quote from: Branko on May 26, 2024, 03:39:59 AM

You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil

UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them

WW2 was same

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

Everyone understood that you were Eastern European without you explicitly saying it Grin

That logic is flawed on the surface, but are you seriously not even thinking through to the second step? Even if we don't care about Ukrainian lives/statehood, don't you think that policy of punishing Russia by flooding China with cheap resources will backfire and result in far worse consequences? Or we're just so blinded by "Russia=bad" brainwashing that we don't care about anything else?

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Quote from: Branko on May 28, 2024, 03:31:37 AM

Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 02:59:45 AM

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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.

Yes I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js

Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 02:59:45 AM

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment

Typical rooinek:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/

Whattabout...

I got another picture of Luhansk, it is a big fire there...

And has been burning for a while...

I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")

And can observe in the map that there are much much less Ruzzia glide bomb attacks. It may be a significant strategic change, we will see in the upcoming days.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 02:59:45 AM

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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.

Yes I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js

Quote from: paxmao on May 28, 2024, 02:59:45 AM

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment

Typical rooinek:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/

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https://belsat.eu/en/news/14-05-2023-the-children-of-the-russian-elite-are-hiding-out-in-the-west

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html

Quote from: coolcoinz on May 27, 2024, 03:16:49 PM

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.

@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 27, 2024, 05:23:47 PM

Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.

Cool

Its kind of funny that you have to repeatedly explain that on bitcoin forum

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Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.

Cool

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 27, 2024, 03:16:49 PM

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

Finally you see the truth, and admit what UK and USA worked on from start

meanwhile, another Ukraine radar go boom:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12632

Why Ukrainians fear their own army:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12627

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The terminal in airport in Zaporizhzhia was hit by Ruzzia. This is one of the airports that is suited to host f16. In my view f16 is the wrong aircraft for Ukraine, the Grippen would be much better, but one cannot deny that there are thousands of f16 all over the world and that is quite useful.

And of course, Ruzzia immediately got evidence that missiles fly now west to east too. I am waiting for graphic confirmation of the hits in Luhansk airport in the occupied Ukraine, but it seems ATACAMS again.

Edit: Got a glimpse. Let's see if there is satellite evidence along next days and a calibration of damages

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Quote from: Branko on May 26, 2024, 03:39:59 AM

You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil

UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them

WW2 was same

Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.

In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?

I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.

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Quote from: Branko on May 27, 2024, 06:20:52 AM

Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5

It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender

Yes Branko, western weapons "do not work". 1 in 10 hitting the target, mmmm so you need targets that are more than 1 million in value or in strategic value. Like a tank, arty piece or a building full of meatweavers,...

Anyway, it seems that the GPS spoofing is in general creating issues. Even for commercial aviation in Finland. Let's see how long does it take "the sender" to find a way around - because it will happen - adaptation works both ways.

Meanwhile ATACAMS, SCALPs & Stormshadows seem to be dealing perfectly well with the tampering. It is a good thing because these are the ones that are more relevant to the "frog boiling".

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Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5

It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender

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Quote from: paxmao on May 26, 2024, 03:57:38 PM

Quote from: DaRude on May 26, 2024, 08:25:33 AM

Quote from: paxmao on May 26, 2024, 07:59:22 AM

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again Huh

No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?

I am not pretending anything, I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.

It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.

But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.

Ahh so NATO can attack anyone in the world as long as they're in a conflict, without any UN security council approval, and that's what makes them a defense alliance Huh

World police, judge, jury, and the executioner, which majority of the world didn't vote for? While totally ignoring other conflicts like actual war crimes in Gaza? Why those crazy Russian's wouldn't want that on their borders is a total mystery! When Cuba can't even receive advanced medical equipment without it being somehow considered an existential threat to US Roll Eyes

we all believe that right?

It's actually quiet ironic that Ukrainian leaders decided to volunteer their population in order to attempt to push that ideology through, but of course once China showed which side it's on, everyone realized that it's destined to fail.

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Quote from: DaRude on May 26, 2024, 08:25:33 AM

Quote from: paxmao on May 26, 2024, 07:59:22 AM

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again Huh

No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?

I am not pretending anything, I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.

It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.

But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 26, 2024, 07:59:22 AM

Quote from: DaRude on May 26, 2024, 07:33:44 AM

Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength

You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.

Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again Huh

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Quote from: DaRude on May 26, 2024, 07:33:44 AM

Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength

You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine

You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?

The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.

It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.

But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.

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