Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 72. (Read 76857 times)

Read what is written, do not put words in my mouth. I do not have an island, I guess you are speaking of Great Britain. Sorry if I am breaking this to you, but plenty of the children of the Ruzzian "elite" study in the UK and plenty of their assets are conveniently hidden and sometimes not hidden in the UK.

As far as you are concern, I am a copy of a brain uploaded into an AI living in a world cluster of cloud servers. Just read "The Neuromancer" to understand. The nuclear deterrence cuts both ways.

Today it seems that all the worthless Western weapons that according to daRude "do not make a difference", "do not work", etc.  have "not worked" as far as Mariupol. This is despite daRude assuring everyone here that ATACAMS and all the rest would be stopped by the S300 / 400.

I think that Ruzzia should now try an strategy that Facebook and Twitter followed - renaming e.g. S400 to S500 or even to "S-600 Putin-plus airdefence" so that they start being effective against NATO supplies.

I am just waiting for the F16 to "not work".

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There is nothing to ask about. You may be discovering how high-yield bonds work, but many of us already know.

Ukraine will pay debt and quite a bit of it will be forgiven in exchange for XYZ. I said this many times, there are winners in this war but they are not Ruzzia, Ukraine nor Europe. All thanks to Putin´s "great geostrategic vision" that has made Gazprom loose money for the first time in 20 years, expand NATO faster than ever and burn through the Soviet weapons legacy platforms faster than ever.

But hey, I would not be surprised if Putin had a significant stake in Blackrock funds through some opaque scheme of companies and actually profiting from Ukraine´s debt. He is not going to die for it, the Ruzzian soldiers do.

Overall, Ruzzia is left with more enemies, Putin is probably making more money than ever and if all goes to plan Ukraine will have their independence and perhaps some generations of peace to build a country - likely under the NATO umbrella. Who are the true losers here? The average Ruzzian / Federated citizen and the families of the Ruzzian mercenaries.

Your other comment is stupid, classic daRude. NATO is not for now deploying troops under the NATO structure or mandate because there is no interest nor incentive in that type of escalation. It is much simpler to allow Ruzzia to be as incompetent as they are and self-demilitarise for a few farms and flattened minor cities for which the US has little interest.

The return on investment for the aid to Ukraine is excellent. Please, keep up the military incompetence, it makes the world a safer place.

This below is probably the tiny tiny bit of an iceberg of Putin assets in "the west" that he claims he is fighting.

Billions in assets. Hint: not in Ruzzia


And his brood is said to be living in Switzerland. Give whatever credit you want to this, is not really that relevant.


https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-children-alina-kabaeva-keeps-them-hidden-in-luxury-report-2023-3

I think it's nothing new here. Already in first year of war we saw people mainly from Nepal, some African countries fighting for Russia.
I don't think Russia is hiring them because they're running out of people. It's more just a way to get some cheap meat. And now it doesn't looks that number of such mercenaries is very significant.

Only just saw this edit. US set the precedent of what such peace terms should look like in Cuba, but luckily I don't expect anything close to that out of Russia, most likely things in Ukraine will just go back to the way they were in 2013 prior to all this madness.

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Mercs are a closely guarded secret, but at the same time are no surprise to anyone. Look up Ukrainian Foreign Legion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Foreign_fighters_and_volunteers to get some idea of the scale from both sides.

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All wars need to be financed, and financiers aka banks are the ones doing the financing. Rothschild famously made a fortune by front running news about the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo. Now of course this is not a charity so all war bonds need to be backed by some juicy collateral to be worthwhile. In fact as they're only driven by returns many times they'd finance both sides for arbitrage.


The reason i didn't punch Muhammad Ali is because i was afraid of escalations with him. Otherwise, if he wouldn't escalate and fight back, he'd run crying to his mamma   classic paxmao

NATO is not involved? Seems you lived under a rock for last 10+ years, or maybe you have some strange definition of "involnment"

And NATO is not 10km from Moscow because your whole island would be sent to meet Aquaman

The reason why NATO is not involved fully in the Ukrainian war yet is to prevent escalation. Otherwise, you will be celebrating glorious victories of the Ruzzians 10 km from Moscow. Putin knows this perfectly well.

I guess Branko that being Ukrainian and having their own country makes better sense to Ukrainians than getting sent by the Ruzzians against Letonians, Lithuanians or Finnish.

After all, thats why Rooineks recruited Ukrainians to fight for them

Some news recently said that a few Nepalese volunteers left ("deserted") because of the conditions they had. When a Nepalese guy deserts you army due to "conditions", it is the moment to think what is going on.

But regardless, yes, the Ruzzian army tends not to be Ruzzian, but rather from any of the regions made poor by the regime. If they take Ukraine, they will use Ukrainians against others as well. This is a classic - you do not want to recruit in Moscow or St Petersburg or you may get revolts, you go recruit in Chechenia, Siberia,... and of course internationally in Nepal, China,...

I think that race statistic are not collected, but most of the less dangerous positions are usually given to "the right people" from the right family and place.

But what is the catch for mercs? 2000 usd a month is like a dream come true for half the world right? Well, the catch is that you get paid only while you are alive, so there is a very good incentive to send them to the most dangerous meatwaves. If only 1 out of 20 make it alive the payroll is only 5%.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/asia/nepal-fighters-russia-ukraine-families-intl-cmd/index.html




The Nepalese government only allows joining the Brit army, they have their own units, the Ghurkhas, which are considered among the best prepared for combat. There are 100s of applicants for each available place and they have been known to continue fighting even with 90% loses.

A little bit off topic, but I just read the Kremlin has started to recruit people fromm una in order to keep the war going in the eastern front. Specifically, people from Cuba (where minimum wage is less than 30$) is being kured through internet to join the Russian army in exchange of a salary of 2000$ and the possibility to apply for Russian nationality.
I had heard Ukraine was alledgely running out of people to fight the war, but I did not expect something similar could be happening in Russia.

Obviously, It has been already proven an important percentage of Russians are not willing to get in the front, otherwise many young men would have not fled the country as they did at the beginning of the conflict.
Regardless of what it is actually going on, I doubt those cuban men are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into, though, I would not judge them if they monthly payment in their island is less than what anyone of us would easily spend for dinner.

Hey... another Ukrainian glide bomb "not working".

https://t.me/osirskiy/671


Investment funds do not fund wars as such, they seek opportunities wherever these are. Thanks to Putin, it is very likely that Ukraine will be rebuilt by a combination of European and US companies. The investment funds allocate the investors money (which may even be of the Ruzzian elites!!) to  whatever project or business looks good - and Ukraine will be full of opportunity for business and people if it can be made strong enough as to have Ruzzia not coming back.

Seriously, sometimes I think that Putin is a CIA agent, he has done more for the US weapons industry and for NATO expansion and for US investment than any US president!

The funds to Ukraine, as this may surprise you, come mostly for Europe (I am not sure if right now they are par with US) as state aid. They pay two main things: a) the general spending of the country and the state b) The military aid.

However, the military aid is not sent as money (this is what dumBAss does not get), it is spend in the US and European factories and the products are sent to Ukraine.

Perhaps I misunderstood what kind of investment or business we are talking about then. Did those companies have stakes on Ukraine before or after the war started? Because to this day I had assume most if not all of the war funding coming to Ukraine was being collected by the United States, though the Internal Revenue Service.
If Blackrock and other conglomerates had stakes on Ukraine before the war, in industrial sectors which do not have anything to do with the war effort, then it is different situation than giving money to Ukraine after the war starter, for them to be able to buy ammo and weapons.

Also, I have seen other posts here in the forum on the alledged plan of Blackrock to be part on the rebuilding of Ukraine as soon as the war is over, though, I am not sure about implications of a foreign private entity like that assisting a sovereign country. It would make more sense in the European Union agreed on letting Ukraine to become a member and contribute economically in the recovering of the country.

Here you are, talking against Ukraine, but NOT the people who are 'funding' Ukraine. What is the debt that Ukraine will eventually have to repay? It's almost nothing... so close to nothing that it almost can't be seen. So, where is the real debt?

Suppose you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't save it. You would be lucky, if you were a billionaire. You could buy a new artificial arm that could even give you the simulated sense of touch and feel. But it might cost billions.

Big Business owes the virtually unlimited debt of total lives of something like 600,000 people killed in this useless war. Nobody can even begin to think about what it would really take to give these people their lives back. But it is the fault of Big Business that they died, through their funding of Ukraine.

You are beginning to understand. But you are still missing it.

Why are you surprised that the largest investors in the world, who own stakes in nearly any business out there also have stakes in Ukraine? These are not "benefactors", they are investment funds that look for business where ever they can find an opportunity.

Ukraine eventually will have to repay the debt like any other country. Even Ruzzia was paying the bonds until it defaulted due to being excluded from the payment mechanisms.

So Ukraine has literal investors and big corporations/especulators of Wall Street as backers... That is something I was not quite aware of and it could be indeed a problem for the Ukrainian government and the people of that country to have those kind of benefactors... They do not care at all for the Ukrainian motherland, at all.
They just want to have their money back and have those juicy interests from Kiev, they are in a business after all, not a charity...
I thought most of the money going to Ukraine was being paid indirectly by the American people and the taxpayers from the European Union, it is a completely different to owe money to a state than having to pay to a corporation or a conglomerate of capitalists and business people.

Though, as long as the government of the United States continues to keep a positive standing in favor of the defense of Ukraine, then Kiev could be able to deal a favorable payment plan for those companies and conglomerates.

You're desperately continue trying to pass an exceptions for a rule, despite even pentagon admitting otherwise, so you're arguing with their assessment too now? Well, that should be all the evidence anyone needs to come to my conclusion. just don't question about its success rate, how many didn't make it, or how many new units the other side brought online since the start.




But do tell us how you know better than just some opinion of an actual F-16 pilot, just make sure not to cite anything, because you know we all totally believe you

I am sure that Ruzzian people and pilots feel very comforted by you precision-targeting words. And I am sure the ground forces are very happy that the gilding bombs "do not work". We may be seeing a few videos of Ukrainian glide bombs "not working" along the next months.
https://youtu.be/7KGEkYhw1pA?t=94

 However:

1.  There is abundant photographic evidence of S400 & S300 being destroyed by ATACAMS - curiously, one of the threat they are supposed to destroy.
2. The good thing about F16 is that they are linked with the NATO systems. AWACS, satellites and nearly every mean of detection out there can provide the target and the F16 can send "a present" to the Ruzzia Air-defence forces beyond their range. Oh, you can of course bring the S300 closer to the front, that would be a great idea... what could go wrong?

As usual, your hand picked set of articles tends to ignore some facts replacing them with "opinions". Most of you previous links had also opinions that never materialised in facts  so... same old same old.

But it does not matter for the troops, they are the ones on the receiving end. There is a strategy in place, supplies and the will to carry it out. Not bad for "loosing".

Oh, I am happy that the Ruzzian ambassador is saying that the US does not support the use of US weapons in Ruzzia. He would no lie, would he? And the US would not lie about that either, would they?


None of that is true. You do not seek peace, you seek surrender. You use all the news that are partial to one side, which means that you are seeking peace in very specific terms - Putin terms. do be such a hypocrite, it is embarrassing.

The peace you seek is just a stop to rearm Ruzzia and get the war going again in a few years.

Rather simple answer, to minimize suffering and loss of life. Rooting for or defending one side or another is only good for sport competition, when real lives are involved one needs to be pragmatic. Discussing what's ethical wrong/right for Ukraine is as good as discussing what's ethical wrong/right for independent self governing Cuba. Needlessly dragging out this conflict has real costs in human lives and is just criminal.

Now BlackRock/bondholders/money is smelling the smoke and wants a cut from the $60B for Ukraine, trying to get at least something before it's too late Bondholders to Push Ukraine to Resume Debt Payments After Hiatus ignore at your peril

It's somehow strange to see DaRude constantly wasting his time to defend RuZZIa's war against Ukraine.
Why is he wasting his time to defend RuZZia's war against Ukraine?
Why should someone waste his life time to root for Putler in an online forum?
Why does he want to dictate Ukrainians to just surrender against Putler?
Would he do the same if he was in a position how Ukraine is today, that he will listen to someone who just wants to do whatever dictatorship Russia will impose over Ukraine?

Once again, what a waste of time to defend RuZZian war crimes in an online forum.

I hope DaRude getting paid handsomely, at least.

Let's ignore the range of Russia's S-300 and S-400, and Russian air-to-air R-37 missile. Let's not listen how everyone is saying that F16s don't have a fighting chance given Russia's air-defense systems. and how Much-vaunted US-supplied glide bombs given to Ukraine “didn’t work”, the Pentagon has admitted. and that Russian forces have hit on a cheap way to foil US precision weapons in Ukraine, The new weapon, rapidly delivered to Ukraine, has repeatedly failed in combat, a US official said. or the fact that US won't even allow Ukraine to use F16 to hit SAMs or aircraft inside Belarus or Russia US Doesn't Support Ukraine Using American Weapons in Russia: Ambassador. We all totally believe you that few old fourth generation fighters will defeat all Russian SAMs and 4th and 5th gen fighters. Perhaps it's time to realize that this is beyond some silly pride and admitting being wrong, and to stop senseless losses you should follow the Ukrainian command and start pivoting towards negotiation (Ukraine peace talks alternative to inevitable battlefield defeat, says senior general) instead of peddling yet another "game changer" weapon   Take a break put emotions aside, and give it a thought, that's all i'm saying.

Ukrainian meat ...I mean soldier, is not happy that someone stole money
intended for building trenches and fortifications:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12031

Ukrainian drones just bounce off Russian countermeasures and explode harmlessly:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12028

Poor Ukrainian tank dead before arrival:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12026

Ukrainians celebrate orthodox Easter despite democratic ban on Orthodox church in Ukraine:

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/21780

Ukrainian neonazis failed to stop march of WW2 veterans in Manhattan

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/21778

It seems that Ukraine has received gliding bombs from US and these are being used in the front. These have been a major Ruzzian advantage and Ukraine does not have a good answer to them (likely to change when some f16 arrive). There are being used to soften fortifications and cause chaos before the meatwaves.

It is interesting how Ukraine may be able to use this strategy. Again my guess, they are going to have f16s on patrol well behind the front and use HARM (some have a range of 150 km) to destroy any radar that lights up and use the old soviet planes to throw glide bombs. It may perfectly work.


Has Ruzzia claimed the "attack" or are you making it up? In any case, it is good that Europe understand the true intentions of Putin, it will help people understand that we cannot longer hope for peace instead of creating deterrence. Who knows, Germany may clean the dust from their old files on how to create nukes.

Curiously, from friendly phone talks, Macron is now voicing out the possibility of sending troops to Ruzzia, which is likely to happen if some hybrid attack happens in France. What is certain is that the AASM 250 & 1000KG French glide bombs have been used near Krinky. These demolished some drone operator buildings in one hit.

Edited: It seems that a SU25 got shot down.