Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 75. (Read 73557 times)

Tell that to hundreds of thousands dead Ukrainians and their relatives

You are thinking  a mixture "martingale" style and sunken costs fallacy -  Since Ruzzia's cost is going up, they have to double down on the cost to try to achieve a bigger victory. Now, why don't you try playing Roulette with that mentality? Or anything else for that matter (options, shares, ...)? The fact is that is that Ruzzia may simply not be able to reach the great objective of suppressing Ukraine as state and should probably be thinking at this point of leaving the table.

But you are right in one thing - that is the Kremlin mentality, double on the bet no matter the cost, no matter the effort,... if a tyrant gets it wrong, people may be getting strange ideas about who should be in charge uh?

Ukraine failed to prevent the war? You know that Putin's "proposal" for peace included basically getting Ukraine to have no army nor any sensible means of defence? Who in his right mind would accept to be pre-defeated so that Putin had an easier time invading. I think someone in the Kremlin had lost it to even propose that.


Well, I guess Boris got at least this one thing right then.

Yes, the stakes are constantly going up - Ukraine has failed to prevent war (it had at least 4 months to do something - starting with direct negotiations or outmaneuvering Putin by providing unconditional amnesty to separatists - just like it happened with Chechnya), has failed to solve it at the start - when the costs were low. So now, when the costs went over the top and Ukraine stays bold on its desire to ruin Russia - Russia has to justify the resources spent for this conflict, and the "justified" mark is constantly moving upwards towards total elimination of Ukraine as a state.

"Peace talks" now for Ukraine equals death (at least "political death") for everyone at the top - their actions have caused lots of losses, they've spent enormous amount of resources and credit costs without any real achievements. For Russia - it'll not look like a victory either as the initial political goals were not achieved and are as far as never before. Though I believe the real goals were by far not the ones declared - give a "magic kick" to industry by forcing outsiders run out and prepare for the next "modern" war. Yes - this conflict is simply a costly preparation to the next.

Its just a show organized by rooineks to hide bad Ukrainian situation

This is becoming a far too expensive war for Ruzzia. Putin probably does not care much about using the money for this and the Ruzzians are not going to revolt in the short term for this but...if the trend of refineries being struck continues it may eventually have an effect on the front - not just because the Ruzzian economy really feels the irect pain if this continues, also because it may simply be impossible to defend the vastness of Ruzzia.

Speaking of which, it seems that there are combats in Belgorod. Ruzzian patriots (revolutionaries) have been fighting actively in what is Ruzzian territory. Ruzzia will waste resources too trying to cover such  a large front.

Seems that Ukrainian drones found new target in Russia - several oil refineries were hit in multiple locations yesterday and today. Facikities in Nizhny Novgorod, Ryazan and Rostov were hit and seems that damage was significant
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-launches-drone-attacks-russia-second-night-row-officials-say-2024-03-13/
https://youtu.be/Z6Bq0rzvihY?si=DNBm1bSXagCHsmZk
According to Bloomberg, in these facikities there is about 12% of Russian oil is made. If such attacks will continue, consequences can be very painful for Russia.

Both sides will loose many things. The winners of this war are not Ruzzia nor Ukraine, even if they achieve any degree of military success.

The UAVs are an important weapon, but as of now it is much more about having artillery and in the case of Ruzzia, larger bombs. If Ukraine succeeds in flipping the air battle by either destroying enough Ruzzian planes or by changing the balance with air defences or F-16s from US and Europe, then Ruzzia could end in the receiving end of 100 daily 1500 kg bombs. If Europe succeeds in finding or producing enough shells to math or get near the Ruzzia's average it can also be a determinant factor. 

  Now the game is about who has more UAVs than the enemy. The war tactics have changed. I agree, there is no way Russia and Ukraine can make peace right now. The war will continue, and one side will lose many things.

It was done deal, until UK sent Boris Johnson


"First time" was long ago

Yes, but I would rather say Ruzzia negotiating with Ukraine for the first time, seriously, with demands that are actually achievable rather than an unconditional surrender. But anyway, that is not happening anytime soon. Putin is all right to burn through the Soviet reserves of vehicles, try to repairs the A-50 while getting dronned and launching "meatwaves" for a few hundred meters.

I am mentioning the A-50 because yesterday Ukraine managed to drone attack the factory where one was being repaired. Is like if they knew it was there ... you know.

I don't think he said a white flag means losing or something like that. He means Ukraine should try negotiating again with Russia to find a peaceful resolution. 

They did not say who has to raise the white flag. Everyone seems to have interpreted that this is about negotiating the terms to what would optically be an Ukrainian non-decisive defeat, but I think that the if we speak about not reaching the objectives and sending humans to die for nearly no gain it depicts more about getting Putin to understand that his goals may not be achievable.

So... whose white flag?

It's possible that another A-50 plane was hit. Few days Ukrainian drone attacked plane repair facility in Taganrog. And now fresh satellite images were published which shows that there was some damage made to building. And it's possible that one of A-50 planes was inside. From images made week ago it was visible that plane is standing outside. In fresh images it's absent here, so, either plane was moved to repair facility or just fly away from this area. Probably we will not get answers what really happened there:
https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1766611891818823885

Now there is excuses from Vatican because initial version of interview he talked about raising white flag. Anyway, this isn't something new, it's not first time when Pope says something contraversial about war.

I have a Ukrainian friend who is now a widow and her son is no longer the son of a widow because he has also been killed and the only person she hates as much as Putin is Zelensky. The oligarchs should send their husbands,wives and children to the front first to lead the charge.

Some sources point to the Pope encouraging peace talks. In my view, the Pope has to seek peace, that is his endowment. Note that he urged "parties" to negotiate, not Ukraine to surrender. Unfortunately the Ruzzian proposal is simply to get all they have as of today plus all Kherson, Zaporizilla,... As anyone may understand, that is not really a plan.

Courage to negotiate goes both ways, and it seems very far away to be honest.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis-swiss-tv-interview-gaza-ukraine-wars.html

The American DoD and many in the US government are ambitious psychotic narcissistic warmongers. They have caused the destruction of Ukraine, and are unwilling to stop the killing. Rather, many of them want further funding for Ukraine so that more Ukrainians are killed, and more Ukrainian property is destroyed.


"Putin Is A F***ing Thug": Sparks Fly During ZeroHedge Ukraine Debate

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/putin-f-thug-sparks-fly-during-zerohedge-ukraine-debate
Members of Congress rarely want to debate — even rarer in person and for 2 hours — trust us… we've asked. Thus, we have tremendous respect for Senator Ron Johnson and fmr Congressman Joe Walsh - who had the balls to defend their beliefs without reciting rehearsed talking points for a 3-minute Fox/CNN hit.

They are a rare breed on Capitol Hill. Perhaps we can get to a world where they are the norm instead of the exception.

Until then, enjoy these highlights:

Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan

"Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."
They are a rare breed on Capitol Hill. Perhaps we can get to a world where they are the norm instead of the exception. Until then, enjoy these highlights: Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan "Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."

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Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan

"Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."
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I guess you would need to try to find out if "the real thing" works, just make sure you get it right, there is no second attempt.

Meanwhile seems that fronts are reasonably stabilised after the withdrawal from Avdiivka. Looks like there is a very limited exploit from Ruzzia despite many criticizing the lack of proper Ukrainian entrenchments and defence lines. I reckon a better work on that was needed.

Be glad that Putin is in there, because even drunk Dmitry Medvedev only has to hit the launch button once.

Russian propaganda and drunk Dimon Medvedev like to threaten about nuclear strikes on Washington, London or Berlin rather than Ukraine. But you're really optimistic about capabilities of Russia and that they're ready for this suicide move.
Now they threatens to hit bridges in Germany as revenge in case if Crimea bridge will be destroyed:
https://news.yahoo.com/news/russian-propagandist-lists-german-bridges-113827036.html
How pathetic...

So, UK fails at tests, but you're sure "real thing" will work?
Such twisted logic


That "allies" thing rarely work when you have to make real sacrifices...just look how France and UK jumped to help their Czechoslovakia and Poland "allies"
at start of WW2, or how USA betrayed their "allies" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam...