Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 74. (Read 73557 times)

I accept the correction. Not destroyed, just damaged to enough extent to deteriorate or stop the production capacity. Refineries do have a fire brigade of course, but they act after there is a hit, not before.  A bridge is quite difficult to damage to the point that is no longer serviceable, a refinery is a much easier target.

Ruzzia is not able to provide an effective defence - that is clear everywhere, they even got a drone over the Kremlin. The strikes on oil processing facilities and depots are happening well inside Ruzzia. You are free not to believe it of course.


Ryazan


 Poltava


 Rostov

Someone is just smoking in the wrong places as usual.

This is a well protected facility? .But...yes they certainly seem to have firefighters.

https://youtu.be/DqphFzernLI (Syzran)

And how many oil refineries has Ukraine already managed to destroy?

The correct answer is zero. An oil refinery is a fairly well-protected facility in terms of fire protection, including the presence of its own fire department. And if you believe all the statements of Kyiv, Ukraine has already destroyed the Crimean Bridge, twice.

Ukraine is not "planning" to destroy refineries, it is destroying refineries. Hitler's "drone" (V2) did not work as well as these.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drones-have-hit-12-russian-oil-refineries-kyiv-source-says-2024-03-17/


Regardless of everything you are getting wrong dumBAss and that I will not bother to discuss again here, we are where we are. Ukraine has been damaged but not irremediably. Some of the regions have gotten the worst, while others are relatively ok. The economy can be re-built or even improved by joining the EU and re going after.

But as far as war, again, we are where we are. Cutting help to Ukraine in the way it looks like Trump could do (and he has not said that exactly, he has said he would finish the war in 48 hours or a similar hyperbole) means Putin would be seizing large swathes of Ukraine - those already invaded and probably more.

So... why would he stop there? Why not taking Moldova to "protect Transnistrians"? Why not taken Lithuania "because Kaliningrad needs a better access"? Why not part of Poland "to take it under Ruzzian protection again".

Trump seems to be on the idea of destroying NATO credibility, which is what guarantees peace half of the world by making sure there is little to gain and a lot to loose from a global war. It is simply a bad idea. Add letting Putin look as somewhat "victor" of all this and think that it simply ends there and everyone goes to the pub for a beer. It simply does not work like that, there is a new uglier war in less than 5 years after that.

RE China... you should have a better memory:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-china-trade-war-deal-tougher-if-reelected-in-2020-2019-9?r=US&IR=T


But do not worry dumBAss, this is what happens when you loved leader says one thing in the morning and another in the evening.

You have your point backward. Here's how.

At the same time the US warmongers are pushing for destruction of Russia, their almost-bigger goal is the destruction of the strength of the people of the US. You can see it in the weakening of the US economy right now.

What do you think these US warmongers will do when they weaken Russia and the people of the US enough? They will go after China, and the rest of the world. They will then be able to do exactly the things you say Putin is trying to do.

The way Russia was acting with the world changed in 1991. Russia joined in world progress through their use of the US dollar as well as other currencies... just like the US. But that wasn't enough for the US warmongers. The US wanted it all. So they expanded Nato towards Russia, even though they had agreed not to. Do you think they will stop with Russia if they conquer her? Lol at that silly thought.

Wake up and see that it is Russia that is maintaining a balance of power against thew US warmongers.

How can you tell that I am right? Just look at Ukraine, the country the US warmongers vowed to support. Ukraine is destroyed, even if Russia falls. The US warmongers don't care about anything other than getting more power, no matter who it destroys.

Would Putin do the same if he was stronger? Possibly. But right now he is the only thing holding back the US warmongers from enslaving the whole world.

It's not solely Ukraine's cause, but the cause of the whole Western world at stake, because once Putin conquers Ukraine definitely, he is going to push forward to the next territories. Each new territory he controls, more powerful he will become, just like Hitler in WW2. And by the threats, presumption and manipulation of reality vocalized by Putin, everyone can be assured he won't stop... The logic of not wishing USA to get involved on the conflict is the same than not wishing USA to get involved in WW2, because it was a war in European territory (what didn't prevented US from suffering Pearl Harbor's attack, anyway).

USA and every other Western nations can join together and fight side by side while everyone is still upstanding, or wait each of the allies to be destroyed one by one individually, having to fight the boss alone or finally resigning to Putin's dictatorship, what wouldn't be hard to believe to happen in a hypothetical Trump's rulership, since he has already shown to have no remorse by dropping his allies on the devil's throat, if they don't pay more money to NATO.

When money is put above loyalty, honor and values, evil overpowers.

At the current times, the free world needs more rulers like Théoden, and less rulers like Denethor...

Hitler had grand counteroffensive plans 15 days before suicide, too

^^^ Again... something like drones striking into the heart of Ukraine is something Russia could easily do if they wanted to simply destroy Ukraine. If Ukraine continues this, it may well happen. Russia won't sit around and do nothing forever.

Here is the BIG question. If Russia took control of Ukraine in a definite and solid way, literally taking Kiev and ousting the Ukraine government, would that stop the Ukraine war? Or would 'guerilla' fighters keep on trying to destroy Russia, supported of course by the US and the big bankers who are trying to steal Russia for themselves?

Ukraine can do some damage, but their cause is totally lost.

It seems Ukraine has a plan after all - hitting Ruzzian refineries with long range, native made drones. This have achieving excellent results in targeting the Oil refineries, some of them well away from the front lines. This is a very costly war for Ruzzia and it is getting worse for them. Some sources have said that Ukraine has managed to at least temporarily 15% of the production, putting at risk the major source of Ruzzian income.

This will stop the Biden team. It seems that nobody in Nato is ready to send troops to Ukraine to fight Russia. But if Biden sends US troops, Trump will laugh all the way to the Presidency. It's all over for Ukraine, except for the part where soon it will be hard to find Zelensky.

No, the answer has always been that it would be US troops in Europe fighting Europe's war that everyone — The UK, Davos and their EU apparatchiks, and the US Neocons — thought would be a slam dunk to bleed Russia out.

And I'm sure that's exactly the way they plotted it out in their Microsoft Project file over at Globalist Central.

That has obviously not taken place and it is Ukraine that is now in serious trouble. Truth be told, which has been in very short supply since the war started two years ago, Ukraine has always been in serious trouble.

And that has led, predictably, to the situation we see now. US support for Project Ukraine is coming to an end, if it hasn't ended already. And the panic in Europe is palpable.

This was all very predictable if you accepted the framework that there was a split at the top of the US hierarchy. One faction committed to the Davos vision of the future which implied a compliant, even beaten, US and another that looked up from their quote screens and said, "Uh… no."
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Well, it seems that I have a surprise for you: it is not always the elites. The most notable examples of revolutions in history (France, USSR, China's cultural revolution, Romania,...) did not come from the wealthy elites, but rather from people who were tired of being taken advantage of. Yes, nobody is going to bring democracy or a participative regime to a country just like that and there will always be external influences, but in the end, it is the people who decide if they are willing to fight to change the way things are and if they can get away with it.

RE freedom, not everything is the same. Iran is not Norway, China is not France and Putin's Ruzzia is not the European Union. All of them have pressures and allies or presence of whatever bases, but what a citizen can do and the economic constrains are completely different. You could probably understand this better if you were a woman in Saudi Arabia, an homosexual in Iran or anyone in North Korea.  Liberty does exist to many degrees.

 I think most Ukrainians do want that change because they know that whatever comes from Moscow is going to be good... for Moscow. They simply want to have the freedom to decide their destiny by themselves and I do not see how this cannot be fair.

I have surprise for you...its ALWAYS elites, on all sides. But for some reason Rooineks, Yankees, Russians...all want it to be THEIR elites
At this time, its Rooinek and Yankee elites at Russian doorstep, not the other way around
Keep your "Rooineks and Yankees are here to bring freedom and democracy" childish comments for some more naive people

Ah... so whenever Putin invades another country or promotes separatist to generate a proxi-war is the fault of the US - they even send the same mysterious guy and voila!. Putin has no imperialist goals, only cares about what is best for all? Or for the Slave "race" maybe? ... I see, interesting theory.

Let me ask you the same question then, how many Ukrainians would be dying if Putin had not sent the army? Would it be so bad for Ukrainians to join the European Union and start getting a chance at prosperity? What is so wrong with it?

Putin is not there to "free" anyone, it is there to kill whoever gets in the way of his empire. I am not sure what happened to all Georgians, I am certain of the ones that were killed by Putin's vision of the world and what is the place of Ruzzians. Not even of Ruzzians really, more of the Moscovian and Petesbourgian elites.

I am not sure if you believe that Ruzzia still represents somehow any ideals other than Tzarism. They are no longer commies Branko, they are just as capitalist and corrupted as it gets and if you feel they are protecting some idea of pan-Slavism or a type of culture I do not think is the case either. This is just the elites of Ruzzia versus the elites of other countries and, in the middle, the Ukrainians trying to get a decent future for their children.

What happened? Yankee/rooinek puppet was sent to Georgia to incite problems with Russia.
Same guy went to UKRAINE and surprise, surprise, as if troubles followed him there too.

But what happened to Georgians...are they all sent to Gulag, executed...?
Or  were they lucky that Boris Johnson didn't come to "help" with negotiations?

BTW, nice that they changed artcle on wikipedia meantime, so Russian owned
Reuters got corrected:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58T4MO/

Sure, if you say so it is so. But you are missing a bit of information there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War


What happened there Branko? They did not listen to the "peace plan" consisting on doing what they were told from Moscow?



does this sound familar Branko? Self-proclaimed republics? The Kremlin "protecting them"? Separatist forces starting a war backed by Ruzzia? What a coincidence Branko! If you change the names (Georgia - Ukraine, South Osetia - Luhansk) it is exactly what happened in Ukraine. One wonders if this was due to "denazification" or because the "NATO was expanding in Georgia".... or maybe it is simply that Putin wants the USSR back (like you I assume).

Umm, you're aware Georgia is sovereign state, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

But the new Russia has been playing the game since 1991. Countries join Russia because they make sense. The coup and the war started by Ukraine against Russia in 2014, by the US, shows just exactly how the US doesn't make sense for people. BRICS shows how Russia and the world are trying to get back to solidity (gold) rather than buying and selling paper like the US.

True, Russia has not changed their goals regarding worldwide conquest. They have simply changed their methods. But it is the US that is doing worldwide conquest, not Russia. Ukraine would be far better off if they surrendered to Russia. But all you have to do is ask her people. It was only a vicious handful of Ukrainians that wanted the war... and it still is.

How many Georgians can actually say if that happened? I mean, without getting a free flight out of the window? What information is available of what Ruzzia does or does not?

The modus operandi is always the same, Ruzzia governs a region taking but not giving, thus people are mostly impoverish, thus they join the Ruzzian army to make their livign (or die trying) so Ruzzia wages war in another region. I am not surprised Ukraine would rather choose something different, even if it takes blood and sweat to gain their freedom from Putin and the Ruzzians.

The option for Ukraine to "surrender so that you are not killed" does not really exist. It is more an option to be killed later at the service of the Ruzzian empire. The option of "negotiating peace" in Putin's terms does not exist, it is just waiting for the next war when the oil is up and Putin get the army back in shape. All those alternatives are just mirages and false solutions.

How many Georgians Russia starved/killed/exiled after Georgia lost war with Russia?

Only rooinek puppet Saakashvili?

While we are discussing, another oil facility in Ruzzia is burning.



How do we know they would not have been starved to death by the millions like Stalin did for the "greater benefit of Ruzzians"? They way to have kept Ukrainians alive would have been simply not to invade Ukraine.

It is again the same old narrative in which you kill someone, but somehow they are the ones to blame because they did not want to do what you told them to do. Mafia mentality at its best.


If they blame Zelensky all they have to do is go to Ruzzia, but my guess is not precisely Zelensky who they blame when a Ruzzian missile hits their home.

Right! I would guess that maybe millions of Ukrainians who migrated to other countries are thanking God or their lucky stars that they migrated when they did. And many of them are cursing Zelensky and the US because of their relatives killed, and their destroyed homeland.