Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 80. (Read 60499 times)

Out of your whole post, only true part is Finland and Sweden joining NATO

That is a great win if Ukraine joins NATO,this means Russia will not ever attack Ukraine again unless it likes to be bombarded the hell out of it.While I don't know if I can call Ukraine a winner so far they sure are the superiors in this war having lost less than 20% attacking power while Russia is the clear loser as they have lost as you say their modern armaments as they are attacking now with Iranian made drones which honestly are not effective at all against Patriot air defense systems,they have lost economically,they have lost in a military way as over 200.000 soldiers are already dead and it takes time to replace them without proper training of the newly recruits,they have also lost geo-politically as both Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Ukraine won't take much before doing the same.The outcome of this war for Russia is total isolation.

The trolls in Youtube, forums and Twitter are calling game over and have been doing so for quite a while...yet everyday there are clashes, minor advances - sometimes no that minor compared to the RF offensives last year.

This is obviously targeted to the US and EU population since the RF believes that people are actually as ignorant and stupid as they are and the support from NATO countries will fade if they cry  loud enough about non-existent claims of "offensive having failed". It is very easy to spot since they were first questioning the offensive and then stated calling it a failure from day 0.  

The fact is that Ukraine has barely used 10% of the assault forces, US and Europe are supplying materials to replace the losses and it is clear on the battlefield that the technical superiority of the US artillery systems is demolishing the RF arty positions. Not to mention the recent declarations of a well-known RF general point out the serious issues that the RF army has to hold the lines with a very limited supply - and getting demoted immediately. This is to be taken with a pinch of salt, but still credible.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/12/europe/russian-general-treachery-accusations-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html


That is not a coincidence - Ukraine has been targeting supply lines and depots well behind the enemy lines since they got the stormshadow.

The fact is that nobody would be surprised if Ukraine liberated Bakhmut - just 10 times faster than the RF took to invade it.

As I have said many a few times, fronts do not collapse on frontal blind assaults, but after a period of attrition, diminishing supplies and general low morale, it can happen at pretty much any time. Oh, and as a clue, some sources are saying that Ukraine has more active tanks than the RF as of now.

But wheredo you get the idea that Russia lost half of its military? If you check through my posts here https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/badecker-149737, you will see some by Retired Col. Douglas Macgregor that disputes this idea. And there are others... like the ones that show that Russia is killing off 7 Ukrainian solders for every 1 that they lose.

Here is how bad it is getting for Ukraine (in addition to the article in my post you linked to)... Biden preparing the US Reserves for war in Ukraine.


Ordering the Selected Reserve & Certain Members of the Individual Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/13/ordering-the-selected-reserve-and-certain-members-of-the-individual-ready-reserve-of-the-armed-forces-to-active-duty/
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 121 and 12304 of title 10, United States Code, I hereby determine that it is necessary to augment the active Armed Forces of the United States for the effective conduct of Operation Atlantic Resolve in and around the United States European Command's area of responsibility.  In furtherance of this operation, under the stated authority, I hereby authorize the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy, under their respective jurisdictions, to order to active duty any units, and any individual members not assigned to a unit organized to serve as a unit of the Selected Reserve, or any member in the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category and designated as essential under regulations prescribed by the Secretary concerned, not to exceed 3,000 total members at any one time, of whom not more than 450 may be members of the Individual Ready Reserve, as they deem necessary, and to terminate the service of those units and members ordered to active duty.

     This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
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It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

^^^ Whatever referendums there might have been, or the fact that the US wants to take over Russian lands, it doesn't matter. The reality is that Ukraine is essentially done. The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.


Does Anyone Care Anymore?

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/does-anyone-care-anymore
Attention spans are short, and Americans have already moved on to stories about political scandals, the next election, and the usual celebrity glamour gloss. Outside of the U.S. warmonger elites and a few critics (myself included), Americans don't seem to care.

That's a mistake. The war is as hard fought as ever and the geopolitical stakes are even higher than at the start of the war as we keep climbing up the escalation ladder.

Today I'll look at the military situation, the economic sanctions, the bigger picture of global recession, and the impact of the war on energy prices.

Almost nothing in this report is being covered by The New York Times, the Washington Post or other legacy media. Their coverage consists almost exclusively of lies propagated by the State Department, CIA or MI6 and should not be taken seriously except by counterintelligence experts interested in knowing what the U.S. and UK are lying about.

The Counteroffensive Disaster

On the battlefield, Ukraine is losing badly and is in danger of having its offensive military capacity annihilated. The famous Ukrainian spring counteroffensive has met with disaster and been reduced to a series of impotent pinprick attacks.
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This is the real motive why the war started,the zones in which Russia claim to have been had referendums wanting to go to Russia had only sham referendums and the reality is that they are rich in lithium,yes the substance that makes the batteries for electrical cars,it is a huge market this one and Russia does not want to miss out,they have their ill imperial fantasies since centuries now.The second is that through these parts they can cut Ukrainian grains from shipping from such ports and ship their own grain,in the end every war has invading fantasies that will make the country that does this war richer,it is the same always.

Your words are clear. But these are words, not facts - nothing surprising. The RF is going to make many friends blocking the deal if that happens, any grain that goes to countries with regimes that care more about the cash than about their people will end up redirected to the highest bidder. It is one of the cancers eating Africa.

Well, it seems that trolls are insisting on how bad things are for Ukraine and Zelenski and calling this over. The latest package from US says otherwise.

It's true that he was posting his activities on Strava, you can see profile here https://www.strava.com/athletes/14384072 And it's possible tht it helped to assasinate him. Haven't checked Budanov profile that like this post, but most likely it's fake anddon't really belongs to Budanov.
It's not similar case in this war. There was stories that Ukraine managed to get exact cordinates of Russian bases thanks to post of troops on social media. And then release some HIMARS rockets to it. Something similar happened in Makkivka on New Year's Eve. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/3/makiivka-attack-explainer So, it's good example why you should stay away from social media when you at war.

Thank you for very interesting and deep insight, you really said something new.

I don't think the Russia-Ukraine conflict will end easily. Russia maintains war with Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia wants to take some parts of Ukraine for which they are continuing this war. Because if Russia can occupy some part of Ukraine then it is their own gain.

Seems CIA already briefed some journalists about Zelensky with some juicy info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8


American soldier defected from Ukraine to Russia

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6gCtjRwdu895/

The use-by date for that Actor is near.

Dont talk to him, he will ask for Money.

Remember that after testing the Ukraine grain, several Nato countries wouldn't accept it because it was toxic. Hey, 'Ukraine grain'. That's got a bit of a ring to it.

Without grain from Ukraine, there isn't enough grain to feed the world.  When there's a grain shortage, it will always be the poorest countries that are impacted the hardest.  It's a global market, it's really that simple.

They don't have enough grain to begin with, but even if they did, It would be foolish and naive to think Russia is just going to give Africa as much Wheat (one of the few Russian exports that aren't sanctioned) as they need while the price of Wheat is surging and the Ruble is plummeting.

Gaddafi? Seriously? Is that like your role model for pacifying and creating progress in Africa? Are you also somehow suggesting that Russia is not colonising where ever they can?

I guess you are too eager to prove your point and do not consider that Russia is a fantastic supporter of dubious characters -simply because they currently do not have any other ideology than raw money. You accuse "you", whoever that is, of colonising, when the former USSR has been keeping half of Europe captive and Putin is now trying the same.

I fail to see any moral superiority whatsoever here.

I’m not sure how real this is and I didn’t put in the time to fact check it, maybe one of you want to. However, this is a shacking use of social media type apps to assassinate a rival. Seems almost too far fetched and movie like to be true, but it also seems very plausible and simple to pull off. A good case of social media sites having unintended consequences.

https://twitter.com/stealx/status/1678741923400384512

For example, in order not to sabotage the grain deal. Do you have any idea what it's all about? How could Ukraine sell its grain under this deal if Russia would supply it for free?

Let's go again, Russia is ready to supply free wheat to countries in need if the grain deal is not extended. In other words, the starving countries of Africa will receive for free from Russia all the volume of wheat that fell from the closing of the grain deal. How many tankers Ukraine sent to Africa as part of the grain deal, Russia will send as many tankers free of charge after the cancellation of the deal. Is it clear now?

Through neocolonialism, former colonial powers created situation where they continue to occupy Africa through economic means (read John Perkins
book "Economic hitman")...IMF, USAID, weaponized dollar are all neocolonial instruments.
Few countries managed to claw away from such situation, just for their leaders get killed by west, either directly or through
sponsored coups

Examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Um_Nyob%C3%A8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba

I don't know who's "you" but the former colonialists seem to be trying to get that grain going while Putin, the friend of random African dictatorships, keeps holding said grain hostage with these ridiculous negotiations and threats to not allow it to be exported. It shouldn't be subject to negotiations to begin with. It's only a problem because Putin created it, what with the invasion and the deluded imperialist "I own the Black Sea" nonsense.

So now hunger in Africa is created by "your ways", Africans have nothing to do with it? The fact that many countries in Africa wage war after war and those who do not are under kleptocratic rules is all due to "your ways".

Look, it is time that African countries take responsibility for their own destiny and their situations. If you cannot feed a family of three, why do you keep going until they are seven and then have to live on subsidies from "the evil capitalists". Why people cannot look beyond the "tribes" and try to build countries where they can progress instead of killing each other?

But anyway, if Russia blocks the grain deal and no matter who you choose to blame (Russia cannot do wrong for you, I know, it is all somebody else's fault) the end result will be a famine, mostly in Africa, but not only in Africa. Again, a great diplomatic win.