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Quote from: DaRude on January 29, 2024, 01:00:59 PM

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

Sure you can ask. It's just that as with all your "questions" the only reason you're doing this is so that you could bury it in a pile of fallacies... "these weren't really countries"... "you've only been to 2 countries so the other 198 haven't been devastated"... "it was USSR not Russia"... "they would have been worse off if US did it"... am I right?

Despite the obvious facts of how e.g. half of Europe was fucked by Russia for 45 years after WWII, you will continue to deny everything.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 29, 2024, 01:27:55 PM

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I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

Re-read your own posts and do not say that you are not seeking a reaction when making 3 or 4 biased questions in a row.

To the topic, Ruzzia does exert hard and soft power at leisure - has been doing it forever to keep an empire of nations that they even call "blacks" in the same racist sense you could use the "nigg**" word in the US or "Paki" in UK, etc... They have intervened in conflicts all over Africa, they have invaded Ukraine and have smashed the would be nations around them.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 29, 2024, 01:07:48 PM

No, you are again lying in plain sight. You have made a question, you have quoted above! "How many countries has Ruzzia devastated", which is the standard human prompt for seeking a reaction, and you are getting an answer: Yes Ruzzia has devastated countries, but mostly smashed nationalities which could have become countries and that is now, historically and since there are written records of the existence of anything called Ruzzia.

BTW, personally, I choose when to react.

You have made a ridiculous statement and we are point it out.

Reread my post. Don't put things in quotes that i didn't say (the edit on last post was for clarification but didn't change the subject). The main questions were "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" and for comparison "how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US?" i did not get an answer from initial poster, or a clear answer from you. Instead you just posted a link of countries where Wagner operated in, nitpicking on wording of the initial statement, and then claim that i'm the one making ridiculous statements? I get that you're trying to dismiss everything that i say but you're just getting to the point of absurdity here.

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If you'd rather change it to "nationalities" I can give you that. And we can generalize to all countries so not to be biased about visiting this or that country. So how many nationalities Russia has devastated and how many have been devastated by the US? So we can clearly see the exception or the rule. We can even do by population if you wish, i'll wait...

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Quote from: DaRude on January 29, 2024, 01:00:59 PM

Quote from: paxmao on January 27, 2024, 06:06:59 PM

Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

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The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 27, 2024, 12:50:18 AM

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

You guys are desperately trying too hard, and pilling on the silliest things just cause you feel you need to react when you really don't. The statement was "...I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians..." i simply inquired "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" Then you ask me, the person who asked to clarify the initial question, if I mean recently? I mean whatever the person posting the initial questioned meant, ask him. I believe Ukraine is still a country so you probably misspoke there. You mean asking Cubans in exile (in US?) what they think? Haha really? How about we ask Ukrainians in exile in Russia who they think is at fault, cause according to you that's how you get objective answers?

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

No, you are again lying in plain sight. You have made a question, you have quoted above! "How many countries has Ruzzia devastated", which is the standard human prompt for seeking a reaction, and you are getting an answer: Yes Ruzzia has devastated countries, but mostly smashed nationalities which could have become countries and that is now, historically and since there are written records of the existence of anything called Ruzzia.

BTW, personally, I choose when to react.

You have made a ridiculous statement and we are point it out.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 27, 2024, 06:06:59 PM

Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

Quote from: DaRude on January 27, 2024, 12:50:18 AM

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Quote from: paid2 on January 26, 2024, 07:00:23 PM

Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

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The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 27, 2024, 12:50:18 AM

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

You guys are desperately trying too hard, and pilling on the silliest things just cause you feel you need to react when you really don't. The statement was "...I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians..." i simply inquired for him to expand on his statement "which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?" Then you ask me, the person who asked to clarify the initial question, if I mean recently? I mean whatever the person posting the initial questioned meant, ask him. I believe Ukraine is still a country so you probably misspoke there. You mean asking Cubans in exile (in US?) what they think? Haha really? How about we ask Ukrainians in exile in Russia who they think is at fault, cause according to you that's how you get objective answers?

suchmoon can you rephrase your question? I get the gist is that i wasn't supposed to ask what countries he has been to that were devastated by Russians?

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Quote from: DaRude on January 27, 2024, 12:50:18 AM

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians?

Brilliant move, comrade. So paid2 can speak of devastation only if visiting the places in person?

Time to pack your bags and visit Ukraine before you start spouting next round of bullshit about it. Procure a time machine while you're at it, because if you didn't get the 2014 freedom cookies in person - it never happened.

Edit: wrong name.

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Germany has sent a significant aid package to Ukraine, including 80 Leopard (the old model) and at least one IRIS-T system.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

I take it you mean recently, Ruzzia is well known for historically devastate all the neighbours. So...

Ukraine. And thanks for adding a few to the list yourself... a short one. Sure, they are not countries, they could have been, but I guess you choose you question very carefully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=The%20Wagner%20Group%20is%20known,of%20activities%20in%20other%20countries.

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The Wagner Group is known to have operated in at least 11 countries; Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, Mozambique, Central African Republic, Mali, Libya, Venezuela, and Madagascar, spanning three continents, Europe, Africa and South America. There are unconfirmed reports of activities in other countries.

Ruzzia exerts "no so soft power" all over, as much as they can of course, they are not the USSR.

On Cuba... are you sure you want to discuss Cuba? You have probably heard a few generalities in movies, TV and your troll farm, but if you ask Cubans in exile (I have), they will tell you why Cuba is so fucked... hint: they do not say it's the US.

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Quote from: kaka_Shipai on January 26, 2024, 07:34:53 AM

This is the only conflict in which i can stay neutral and i am actually neutral in it. I want to know details about it because i am curious but other then that i have no interest in it.

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

Should we care about all "protests" organized by countries to expand their sphere of influence, or we should ignore them all except when done by Russia? What if they bring cookies and make lots of promises?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/23/ukraine-ammunition-shortages-front-lines-pleitgen-pkg-ovn-hnk-vpx.cnn

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Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

I'll bite, which countries you've been to that have been devastated by the Russians? All i can think of is Abkhazia and South Ossetia but they're not countries and i doubt you've been there. And it's hard to say those regions are devastated as compared to Georgia. And then for comparison, how many countries have you been to that were devastated by the US? What would you say is the ration of countries devastated by Russia vs number of countries devastated by the US? And how does devastation by soft power compare to devastation by hard power long term? Have you been to Cuba?

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Quote from: paid2 on January 26, 2024, 07:00:23 PM

Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

If I am not mistaken, I believe the Kremlin may try to aim to Africa in the future, once whatever happens to Ukraine is done. It is not a coincidence there has been Warner operatives in Africa before and also the fact that after the recent African coups, many people in those countries denounced the influence of France while waving Russian flags in solidarity with Putin and the Kremlin.
While China seems to use loans and economical influence to bring countries to do their bidding, Russia prefers to act in the shadows and use their political and military influence to get developed countries in the sphere of their influence.

To me, international leave would not be possible as long as there is a big country (regardless whether it is Russia or UsA) which is willing to be against smaller ones for the sake of power and annexation of territory for themselves. Anyone could be next to fall for a loan trap or being forced to do the will of the super-power, otherwise in the detriment of their territorial integrity. Id wish this war would have never happen, it was completely unnecessary.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 26, 2024, 10:23:24 AM

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

I agree with you, because the problem with Putler is that he has already done this in many countries, even other than Ukraine, whether through war or simply through soft power like in some African countries for example. It's hard for me to stay neutral about this, even from my selfish point of view I feel that the future of my continent depends on the outcome of this war. I'm not very old, and yet I've already been to several places that have since been devastated by the Ruzzians and their imperialism, WTF. Who's next?

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Quote from: kaka_Shipai on January 26, 2024, 07:34:53 AM

This is the only conflict in which i can stay neutral and i am actually neutral in it. I want to know details about it because i am curious but other then that i have no interest in it.

It is ok to be neutral I guess. However, a friend of mine once said that if you do not do politics, politics are done to you. This is the same, you may not care much about Ruzzia taking a chunk of Ukraine, but next day you have a "protest" in your own country organised by the Kremlin to justify them sending "peace troops" or the like. When is international it affects all.

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This is the only conflict in which i can stay neutral and i am actually neutral in it. I want to know details about it because i am curious but other then that i have no interest in it.

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A blast in an oil depot / export facility in St Petersburg has been reported yesterday. It seems really mind blowing that Ukraine has been able to hit critical infrastructure so far from the front, deep into what should have been a heavily defended airspace hundreds of klicks away just by the second most important Ruzzian city. If that can be hit, other stuff can certainly be hit.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 16, 2024, 10:29:20 PM

Actually i just browse news aggregator sites like news.google.com for keyword "Ukraine" and filter for last day to stay updated on the topic. But keep thinking that i'm an agent of Kremlin. It's interesting to watch your reaction when i point to western media pivoting, which is typically a precursor to political pivot.

Circling back to Nord Stream missed this one from few days back

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-probe-faces-resistance-from-poland-962aa5f9

European investigators have long believed the attack was launched from Ukraine via Poland....

But hey no "facts" here, so must mean that Russia did it, but then now Poles are covering for Russia!?!?

Edi: Added the left out Wall Street Journal citation

The only fact is that, as I said, there is only speculation and you, as usual, copy-paste whatever article seems to be friendly to your version. So... nothing new here. BTW, I do see an newspaper speaking on behalf of the "European Investigators", not a quote of whatever the "investigators" have "investigated" or whatever they have said, so first problem here: not the original source, which should be easy to access for a super-news-aggregator user like you.

Ruzzia could have done it yes. The fact that the Polish are accused of not being cooperative by the "investigators" is nothing new, they are rarely fast or cooperative with the ~~Germans~~ the "investigators" - perhaps due to some bad experiences with ~~Germans~~ "investigators".

Convenient no? Especially when you evade answering what kind of proof would convince you that Ukraine stood behind Nord Stream sabotage. Also, it's quite funny watching you discredit WSJ when it doesn't fit your narative

A proof in the conventional sense would be enough. That is not a suspicion or an activity that is not clearly understood or a single sourced "proof". The same to you: What would it take you to think the opposite?

BTW fireworks today again on board of Ruzzian ship (I have to see more sources on this), but it seems that along with a large fuel depot, a gunpowder factory in Ruzzia, a largui-sh patrol boat is not a coraline habitat.

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Quote from: paxmao on January 17, 2024, 05:25:41 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 16, 2024, 10:29:20 PM

Actually i just browse news aggregator sites like news.google.com for keyword "Ukraine" and filter for last day to stay updated on the topic. But keep thinking that i'm an agent of Kremlin. It's interesting to watch your reaction when i point to western media pivoting, which is typically a precursor to political pivot.

Circling back to Nord Stream missed this one from few days back

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-probe-faces-resistance-from-poland-962aa5f9

European investigators have long believed the attack was launched from Ukraine via Poland....

But hey no "facts" here, so must mean that Russia did it, but then now Poles are covering for Russia!?!?

Edi: Added the left out Wall Street Journal citation

The only fact is that, as I said, there is only speculation and you, as usual, copy-paste whatever article seems to be friendly to your version. So... nothing new here. BTW, I do see an newspaper speaking on behalf of the "European Investigators", not a quote of whatever the "investigators" have "investigated" or whatever they have said, so first problem here: not the original source, which should be easy to access for a super-news-aggregator user like you.

Ruzzia could have done it yes. The fact that the Polish are accused of not being cooperative by the "investigators" is nothing new, they are rarely fast or cooperative with the ~~Germans~~ the "investigators" - perhaps due to some bad experiences with ~~Germans~~ "investigators".

Convenient no? Especially when you evade answering what kind of proof would convince you that Ukraine stood behind Nord Stream sabotage. Also, it's quite funny watching you discredit WSJ when it doesn't fit your narative

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Oh quit crying now that even you can see that Ukraine is destroyed. If Ukraine had given up in the first 2 months of the war, think of all the soldiers that would still be alive. Think of how the lands and structures of Ukraine would never have been destroyed. But no. You want to keep the war going.

This is a super-obvious ethnic cleansing, and a lot of people on pretty much all sides are in favor of it for a variety of self-serving reasons. Hell, even I cannot get to myself to be too sad about the deletion of some of some fraction of these people. Unfortunately the worst of them (with the NAZI tattoos and such) are being preserved works elswhere around the world and it's mainly the peasants are loaded into the hopper as is the customary way of dealing with goyim slavs in this region.

Anyway, the 'paxmao' thing seems like it's probably just a typical 'normie' furthering the current ethnic cleansing operation. Just more productive than average.

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But hey no "facts" here, so must mean that Russia did it, but then now Poles are covering for Russia!?!?

Edi: Added the left out Wall Street Journal citation

The only fact is that, as I said, there is only speculation and you, as usual, copy-paste whatever article seems to be friendly to your version. So... nothing new here. BTW, I do see an newspaper speaking on behalf of the "European Investigators", not a quote of whatever the "investigators" have "investigated" or whatever they have said, so first problem here: not the original source, which should be easy to access for a super-news-aggregator user like you.

Ruzzia could have done it yes. The fact that the Polish are accused of not being cooperative by the "investigators" is nothing new, they are rarely fast or cooperative with the ~~Germans~~ the "investigators" - perhaps due to some bad experiences with ~~Germans~~ "investigators".

Oh quit crying now that even you can see that Ukraine is destroyed. If Ukraine had given up in the first 2 months of the war, think of all the soldiers that would still be alive. Think of how the lands and structures of Ukraine would never have been destroyed. But no. You want to keep the war going.

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Here comes dumBAss with all his Geopolitical knowledge honed during years of catching rattlesnakes in South Texas with the "dumBAss" peace plan. He is an absolute genius!!!! The plan contains just a single point "Ukraine surrenders, war is over". I mean, what could go wrong with this?

dumBAss, why don't you ask yourself a question: Would you peace plan be the same ~~when~~ if Ruzzia was invading Texas? All you need to do is give Texas to Ruzzia and Texas would not be destroyed nor the US would spend money and people fighting.

Ukraine is doing what any independent country would do dumBAss. Get this into your head: there is no option to simply give Ukraine to Ruzzia. It will never stop there, there will be war after war and a huge bill of Cold war and militarised frontiers. As there is no option for the US to ignore the only few real allies they have left: Europe.

Your option for peace does not exist.

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^^^ Or the warmongers in the US government could have let Trump win in 2020. Then no invasion of Ukraine would have happened.

But they couldn't do that. They WANTED the war. That's why they are warmongers. You can see by how much money and arms they sent to Ukraine just to kill off as many people over there as possible.

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Quote from: covfefe_ on January 17, 2024, 09:16:43 PM

Or could have just agreed to the Minsk agreement. They could have kept their lands back than and there would not have been dead Ukrainians and Russian.

Minsk agreement wasn't a solution. It just kept conflict frozen with Donbas and Luhansk regions occupied by Russia. This agreement just gave time for Russia to prepare for invasion.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 17, 2024, 07:32:02 PM

Quote from: paxmao on January 17, 2024, 05:25:41 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 16, 2024, 10:29:20 PM

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But hey no "facts" here, so must mean that Russia did it, but then now Poles are covering for Russia!?!?

Edi: Added the left out Wall Street Journal citation

The only fact is that, as I said, there is only speculation and you, as usual, copy-paste whatever article seems to be friendly to your version. So... nothing new here. BTW, I do see an newspaper speaking on behalf of the "European Investigators", not a quote of whatever the "investigators" have "investigated" or whatever they have said, so first problem here: not the original source, which should be easy to access for a super-news-aggregator user like you.

Ruzzia could have done it yes. The fact that the Polish are accused of not being cooperative by the "investigators" is nothing new, they are rarely fast or cooperative with the ~~Germans~~ the "investigators" - perhaps due to some bad experiences with ~~Germans~~ "investigators".

Oh quit crying now that even you can see that Ukraine is destroyed. If Ukraine had given up in the first 2 months of the war, think of all the soldiers that would still be alive. Think of how the lands and structures of Ukraine would never have been destroyed. But no. You want to keep the war going.

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Or could have just agreed to the Minsk agreement. They could have kept their lands back than and there would not have been dead Ukrainians and Russian.

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