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member
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November 22, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
Yes but the odds of hitting less than 8000 on only 5 tries is very low.

It's actually a probability of 0.48 to hit it in 5 or less tries:

Code:
>>> 1-(1-8000.0/65536)**5
0.478446726626669

ie. you're almost as likely to hit lessthan 8000 in 5 tries or less than you are to fail to hit it.

Here's a strategy for winning almost 500 BTC:

Code:
win on turn  1 : bet =  71.08115510, spent =  71.08165510, win = 568.67660461, lose =   0.35490577, back =   0.00000000, profit = 497.59494951 (87.793% to lose all)
win on turn  2 : bet =  81.18455783, spent = 152.26671293, win = 649.50778702, lose =   0.40542278, back =   0.35490577, profit = 497.59597986 (77.076% to lose all)
win on turn  3 : bet =  92.72404791, spent = 244.99126084, win = 741.82823108, lose =   0.46312023, back =   0.76032855, profit = 497.59729879 (67.667% to lose all)
win on turn  4 : bet = 105.90374931, spent = 350.89551015, win = 847.27100871, lose =   0.52901874, back =   1.22344878, profit = 497.59894734 (59.407% to lose all)
win on turn  5 : bet = 120.95679999, spent = 471.85281014, win = 967.70131497, lose =   0.60428399, back =   1.75246752, profit = 497.60097235 (52.155% to lose all)

You'll see that there's a 52% chance of losing all 5 bets (a total of 472 BTC), but if any of the 5 bets win, you'll win 497 BTC.  That seems like a good deal to me actually - because it feels like 497.6 * 47.845% is bigger than 471.85 * 52.155% (but, of course, it isn't - there's no "good deal" when playing SatoshiDice...)

Also, if you won on the 5th roll, you'd be the 2nd biggest winner in the history of SatoshiDice.

But every roll is a different chance to win/lose no? So technically on the 5th roll you still have a 88% chance to lose.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 22, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
All done today, i can't show adress because all transactions come in on differen adresses for some reason.... And all of the wallets i check in my client don't seem to have a saldo on block explorer....

This is probably you:

Code:
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 dc64ebbaa87038f3 1 1CVWr2txMmokXi79bDsAYrmKk8r5HrnLVw BET    12.97463379 LOSE   -12.91026063
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 010326bc1ec8d7f5 1 15r57iHobuuTgkdvWfKQ6JtaUgc5GFAsiF BET    19.46195068 LOSE   -19.36514093
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 4fc3968812896b8b 1 1973JBXBtdNuFea7ybLUdy4KEb3M2CWciv BET    29.19292603 WIN     87.65698221

Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 61beb18cd638920c 1 1Du29g3FbWK5AZ73AKPtkm32ZakGywsB4S BET    12.97463379 LOSE   -12.91026063
Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 03d05ce7a66a4aa7 1 1ECHuAfKi4tHgg1uUs48EsUu8dAfLf628B BET    19.46195069 LOSE   -19.36514094
Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 774a03211ea444ea 1  1F713siXKGHoYG7AUGTQHxdvERUrxpup6 BET    29.19292603 WIN     87.65698221

Sun Nov 18 12:54:56 2012 <16000 b208493 a4a13baa1605cc5a 1 17nNGYSWsdHaJofXDJrx7oht6qdC9E1xGh BET    12.97463379 WIN     38.95838098

Sun Nov 18 14:05:01 2012 <16000 b208500 2ba7f6f7708a4afd 1 1FEgGerEhu7AxPJpfxFa67SpRdLkpGafKE BET    12.97463378 LOSE   -12.91026062
Sun Nov 18 14:05:01 2012 <16000 b208500 6293a2ab23ff5673 1 187hUrZgM8my4RA6w6UHjcqFQYZD6uxUhs BET    19.46195069 WIN     58.43782148

9 bets on lessthan 16000.  4 wins out of 9 - you got pretty lucky...  You would expect on average to only win 2.2 out of 9. (9*16000/65536)

(I'm only listing bets which win or lose more than 10 BTC, so it's possible you made many more smaller bets).

Someone with a very similar betting pattern just lost a bunch on lessthan 16000:

Code:
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 6bdbdeb3d011da14:1  1B8ketSqHkGCv3MT1JAA86PaU4rW2tibX3 BET    12.97463379 LOSE   -12.91026063
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 41cf97a0cb725ffa:1  1HxsTrCck76R9T3zZYUjCpf89esygHYvUv BET    19.46195069 LOSE   -19.36514094
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 2e02e6d0ca1417cc:1  1M148H18Jbds6xzdo2HG2UaWqzaAEYs4mQ BET    29.19292603 LOSE   -29.04746140
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 680be3aa8d6e5da2:1  1E7d1mR9UuxhBrNTodCVCiYTBLvuR7ynHW BET    43.78938904 LOSE   -43.57094210
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 b6b3258b880eedb6:1  12ghEkw3WT3qEky2xHmmFajRvbAy8sA84W BET    65.68408356 LOSE   -65.35616315
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 5fdae00690a64f0d:0  1KLy4W7Q8SBd2SZ1QKzWRRfmJ6uKko1bAZ BET    98.52612534 LOSE   -98.03399472
Wed Nov 21 16:49:15 2012 <16000 208940 701e212ff7786346:0  1Ewp1nk5aK6BrWufngUMC4cp7U9s55AmyZ BET   185.55207938 LOSE  -184.62481899
legendary
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November 21, 2012, 12:15:50 PM
What about such an idea: more the others lose, more u win? The premise is that SatoshiDICE doesn't distinguish different players and Statistics says that in the long run SatoshiDice gets only 2%.

A winning strategy should be playing only when SatoshiDICE wins, not loses.

This doesn't work.  The dice has no memory.  The law of large numbers guarantees that the site's performance will eventually tend towards the expected house edge, even without the dice having any memory.

So any strategy which relies on historical results won't work.
legendary
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November 21, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
A good day for SDICE.  These seem to be the most significant bets since the last update:

Code:
Wed Nov 21 04:07:49 2012 <12000 208852 5201eb891030ac8f:1  1HNT2b91eQQND93Ugt2LsMR7zdqM2Xc8dv BET   150.00000000 LOSE  -149.25050000
Wed Nov 21 04:07:49 2012 <16000 208852 39fca1d00d8f1f85:1  1L6SePnGLgqB3JfPKtDur2LcuhtcyoXsH4 BET   128.00000000 LOSE  -127.36050000
Wed Nov 21 04:15:47 2012 <16000 208853 c7ef5c8820f4fcd4:1  1Kp8TdKDPXGBa7NphnNgGHp4BSMvpHhby1 BET   219.00000000 LOSE  -217.90550000
Wed Nov 21 04:37:57 2012 <16000 208856 bd8e50e774d1a67b:1  1MFg97t2r7suUWvzghg8Ys1nbJHcXZxu1b BET   210.00000000 LOSE  -208.95050000
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 21, 2012, 12:02:14 PM
Quote
Results: 2012-Nov-21 09:00am (up to block 208936)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    42500 |      0 (0.00000) |   42011 |     489 |     271.59 |       0.01 |    54.02 |    271.57 |   0.007
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     2380 |      0 (0.00000) |    2280 |     100 |      35.96 |       0.00 |    11.57 |     35.96 |   0.005
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     3740 |      0 (0.00000) |    3697 |      43 |      49.26 |       0.04 |     6.39 |     49.21 |   0.087
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     5092 |      2 (0.00040) |    5045 |      45 |      79.40 |      16.08 |     5.65 |     63.32 |  20.251
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     6314 |      1 (0.00016) |    6273 |      40 |     174.80 |       4.31 |    12.60 |    170.49 |   2.468
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     7854 |      3 (0.00038) |    7839 |      12 |     482.66 |     303.41 |     1.29 |    179.24 |  62.864
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     9910 |      8 (0.00081) |    9876 |      26 |     758.89 |     124.65 |    55.64 |    634.23 |  16.426
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    12088 |     22 (0.00183) |   12009 |      57 |    1687.56 |    1292.35 |    48.25 |    395.21 |  76.581
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    13215 |     61 (0.00462) |   13137 |      17 |    1876.61 |    2647.47 |    13.12 |   -770.86 | 141.077
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    20838 |    158 (0.00759) |   20667 |      13 |    3596.55 |    3447.69 |     9.35 |    148.86 |  95.861
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    49537 |    766 (0.01547) |   48758 |      13 |   10859.34 |   10534.95 |     1.80 |    324.38 |  97.013
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    18120 |    435 (0.02402) |   17676 |       9 |    5889.05 |    6150.25 |    15.00 |   -261.20 | 104.435
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    26765 |    854 (0.03191) |   25905 |       6 |    6661.60 |    6203.60 |     9.24 |    458.00 |  93.125
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    19285 |    888 (0.04608) |   18384 |      13 |    8065.69 |    9254.16 |    24.99 |  -1188.46 | 114.735
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    23880 |   1467 (0.06145) |   22408 |       5 |    5410.90 |    4930.17 |    31.20 |    480.72 |  91.116
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    26791 |   2529 (0.09447) |   24241 |      21 |   11810.21 |   12482.74 |     7.01 |   -672.53 | 105.694
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   107645 |  13221 (0.12285) |   94399 |      25 |   16883.27 |   14925.97 |     0.00 |   1957.29 |  88.407
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    27841 |   5214 (0.18741) |   22608 |      19 |   11564.31 |   11684.99 |    14.50 |   -120.68 | 101.044
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   125507 |  30603 (0.24392) |   94861 |      43 |   78709.66 |   78398.73 |   566.80 |    310.92 |  99.605
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    91280 |  33619 (0.36854) |   57604 |      57 |   76608.78 |   77729.30 |   212.64 |  -1120.51 | 101.463
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   696256 | 340017 (0.48870) |  355735 |     504 |  399698.74 |  395978.32 |  2923.44 |   3720.41 |  99.069
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   271609 | 135436 (0.49905) |  135951 |     222 |  258368.64 |  253031.04 |  1709.79 |   5337.60 |  97.934
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   189747 | 139590 (0.73599) |   50072 |      85 |  185035.12 |  181751.67 |   704.58 |   3283.44 |  98.226
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |    21011 |  16714 (0.79602) |    4283 |      14 |   31151.81 |   31083.80 |  1187.00 |     68.00 |  99.782
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |    20117 |  17241 (0.85819) |    2849 |      27 |   32044.27 |   31701.46 |   400.00 |    342.81 |  98.930
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |    12380 |  11342 (0.91690) |    1028 |      10 |   26283.11 |   26219.30 |     0.00 |     63.81 |  99.757
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     9043 |   8709 (0.98030) |     175 |     159 |   19399.83 |   19061.24 |   239.21 |    338.59 |  98.255
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  1801596 | 729259           | 1070485 |    1852 |  441853.04 |  432821.99 |   161.50 |   9031.05 |  97.956
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |    59149 |  29641           |   29286 |     222 |  751604.68 |  746135.84 |  8103.70 |   5468.84 |  99.272
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                                |  1860745 | 758900           | 1099771 |    2074 | 1193457.72 | 1178957.83 |  8265.20 |  14499.89 |  98.785
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SD Profit before fees:      14499.89370397 BTC (1.215%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        1054.84677500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       13445.04692897 BTC (1.127%)
----
Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  6235183  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  3450331  (55.3%)
Blockchain MB:   2639.0  :  SatoshiDice MB:   1409.7  (53.4%)

sr. member
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November 21, 2012, 01:31:59 AM
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 20, 2012, 09:53:14 PM
Yes but the odds of hitting less than 8000 on only 5 tries is very low.

It's actually a probability of 0.48 to hit it in 5 or less tries:

Code:
>>> 1-(1-8000.0/65536)**5
0.478446726626669

ie. you're almost as likely to hit lessthan 8000 in 5 tries or less than you are to fail to hit it.

Here's a strategy for winning almost 500 BTC:

Code:
win on turn  1 : bet =  71.08115510, spent =  71.08165510, win = 568.67660461, lose =   0.35490577, back =   0.00000000, profit = 497.59494951 (87.793% to lose all)
win on turn  2 : bet =  81.18455783, spent = 152.26671293, win = 649.50778702, lose =   0.40542278, back =   0.35490577, profit = 497.59597986 (77.076% to lose all)
win on turn  3 : bet =  92.72404791, spent = 244.99126084, win = 741.82823108, lose =   0.46312023, back =   0.76032855, profit = 497.59729879 (67.667% to lose all)
win on turn  4 : bet = 105.90374931, spent = 350.89551015, win = 847.27100871, lose =   0.52901874, back =   1.22344878, profit = 497.59894734 (59.407% to lose all)
win on turn  5 : bet = 120.95679999, spent = 471.85281014, win = 967.70131497, lose =   0.60428399, back =   1.75246752, profit = 497.60097235 (52.155% to lose all)

You'll see that there's a 52% chance of losing all 5 bets (a total of 472 BTC), but if any of the 5 bets win, you'll win 497 BTC.  That seems like a good deal to me actually - because it feels like 497.6 * 47.845% is bigger than 471.85 * 52.155% (but, of course, it isn't - there's no "good deal" when playing SatoshiDice...)

Also, if you won on the 5th roll, you'd be the 2nd biggest winner in the history of SatoshiDice.
member
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November 20, 2012, 09:34:34 PM
Someone was persistently playing lessthan 8000 and it paid off for them:

Code:
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 eb8b51b977bb5a64:1  19kRutygrTJMaBNaTpvcqxW6Lo83Mxz4ie BET    10.00000000 LOSE    -9.95050000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 bba8f07ec7364cc0:1  1GJiFfxDLYnF2L5Z9ehCQMBqPsn5RqXTp3 BET    15.00000000 LOSE   -14.92550000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 49b5f317aadcb559:1  1AiEHXj9nSGEkBNsfyJo8hS1Xq47cCN6mc BET    20.00000000 LOSE   -19.90050000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 0264b139e093621c:1  184QuQ1xbSCCwzjTUoPAS1pBtoJA3KD5ej BET    30.00000000 LOSE   -29.85050000
Tue Nov 20 05:36:22 2012 <8000  208723 32b62471ab4170e6:1  1FqzSkJhXDdFRmGHyq2wHFtwvKuz6Vy1Pz BET    51.00000000 WIN    357.01949200

Yes but the odds of hitting less than 8000 on only 5 tries is very low.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 20, 2012, 01:26:39 PM
Someone was persistently playing lessthan 8000 and it paid off for them:

Code:
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 eb8b51b977bb5a64:1  19kRutygrTJMaBNaTpvcqxW6Lo83Mxz4ie BET    10.00000000 LOSE    -9.95050000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 bba8f07ec7364cc0:1  1GJiFfxDLYnF2L5Z9ehCQMBqPsn5RqXTp3 BET    15.00000000 LOSE   -14.92550000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 49b5f317aadcb559:1  1AiEHXj9nSGEkBNsfyJo8hS1Xq47cCN6mc BET    20.00000000 LOSE   -19.90050000
Tue Nov 20 05:31:40 2012 <8000  208722 0264b139e093621c:1  184QuQ1xbSCCwzjTUoPAS1pBtoJA3KD5ej BET    30.00000000 LOSE   -29.85050000
Tue Nov 20 05:36:22 2012 <8000  208723 32b62471ab4170e6:1  1FqzSkJhXDdFRmGHyq2wHFtwvKuz6Vy1Pz BET    51.00000000 WIN    357.01949200
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 20, 2012, 01:23:45 PM
Quote
Results: 2012-Nov-20 10:15am (up to block 208791)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP  
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    41860 |      0 (0.00000) |   41374 |     486 |     267.52 |       0.01 |    53.62 |    267.50 |   0.007
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     2352 |      0 (0.00000) |    2252 |     100 |      35.84 |       0.00 |    11.57 |     35.84 |   0.005
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     3687 |      0 (0.00000) |    3645 |      42 |      48.81 |       0.04 |     5.65 |     48.76 |   0.086
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     4893 |      2 (0.00041) |    4846 |      45 |      78.69 |      16.07 |     5.65 |     62.61 |  20.432
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     6282 |      1 (0.00016) |    6241 |      40 |     174.37 |       4.31 |    12.60 |    170.06 |   2.474
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     7827 |      3 (0.00038) |    7812 |      12 |     482.62 |     303.41 |     1.29 |    179.20 |  62.869
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     9869 |      8 (0.00081) |    9835 |      26 |     758.58 |     124.65 |    55.64 |    633.93 |  16.433
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    12058 |     22 (0.00183) |   11979 |      57 |    1687.49 |    1292.35 |    48.25 |    395.14 |  76.584
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    13180 |     61 (0.00463) |   13102 |      17 |    1876.14 |    2647.47 |    13.12 |   -771.33 | 141.113
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    20806 |    158 (0.00760) |   20635 |      13 |    3596.11 |    3447.69 |     9.35 |    148.41 |  95.873
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    48959 |    756 (0.01545) |   48190 |      13 |   10855.46 |   10531.44 |     1.80 |    324.02 |  97.015
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    18068 |    435 (0.02409) |   17624 |       9 |    5888.49 |    6150.25 |    15.00 |   -261.75 | 104.445
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    26250 |    833 (0.03174) |   25411 |       6 |    6657.44 |    6200.05 |     9.24 |    457.38 |  93.130
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    19240 |    887 (0.04612) |   18345 |       8 |    8013.39 |    9253.88 |    24.99 |  -1240.49 | 115.480
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    23831 |   1463 (0.06140) |   22363 |       5 |    5409.87 |    4929.73 |    31.20 |    480.14 |  91.125
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    26707 |   2520 (0.09443) |   24166 |      21 |   11802.62 |   12474.03 |     7.01 |   -671.41 | 105.689
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   106970 |  13130 (0.12277) |   93815 |      25 |   16869.12 |   14909.47 |     0.00 |   1959.64 |  88.383
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    27749 |   5202 (0.18759) |   22528 |      19 |   11407.96 |   11682.60 |    14.50 |   -274.64 | 102.407
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   124576 |  30369 (0.24386) |   94164 |      43 |   77785.93 |   78102.10 |   566.80 |   -316.16 | 100.406
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    90881 |  33453 (0.36833) |   57371 |      57 |   76483.37 |   77553.50 |   212.64 |  -1070.13 | 101.399
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   689931 | 336880 (0.48864) |  352547 |     504 |  397750.33 |  393680.89 |  2923.44 |   4069.43 |  98.977
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   270117 | 134706 (0.49911) |  135189 |     222 |  257726.70 |  252404.29 |  1709.79 |   5322.40 |  97.935
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   188797 | 138894 (0.73601) |   49818 |      85 |  184652.31 |  181399.48 |   704.58 |   3252.83 |  98.238
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |    20801 |  16541 (0.79574) |    4246 |      14 |   31047.46 |   30972.73 |  1187.00 |     74.72 |  99.759
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |    19688 |  16865 (0.85779) |    2796 |      27 |   31966.55 |   31615.66 |   400.00 |    350.88 |  98.902
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |    11736 |  10740 (0.91584) |     987 |       9 |   25953.83 |   25878.11 |     0.00 |     75.72 |  99.708
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     8975 |   8642 (0.98026) |     174 |     159 |   19371.36 |   19038.77 |   239.21 |    332.59 |  98.283
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  1787134 | 723044           | 1062248 |    1842 |  439921.15 |  430945.52 |   160.36 |   8975.63 |  97.960
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |    58956 |  29527           |   29207 |     222 |  748727.32 |  743667.58 |  8103.70 |   5059.74 |  99.324
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                                |  1846090 | 752571           | 1091455 |    2064 | 1188648.48 | 1174613.10 |  8264.06 |  14035.37 |  98.819
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SD Profit before fees:      14035.37515752 BTC (1.181%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        1040.17887500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       12995.19628252 BTC (1.093%)
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  6195896  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  3424603  (55.3%)
Blockchain MB:   2621.5  :  SatoshiDice MB:   1399.0  (53.4%)

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 19, 2012, 01:16:03 PM
Quote
Results: 2012-Nov-19 10:13am (up to block 208631)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    41654 |      0 (0.00000) |   41174 |     480 |     265.38 |       0.01 |    53.62 |    265.36 |   0.007
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     2350 |      0 (0.00000) |    2250 |     100 |      35.74 |       0.00 |    11.57 |     35.73 |   0.005
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     3671 |      0 (0.00000) |    3629 |      42 |      48.79 |       0.04 |     5.65 |     48.75 |   0.086
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     4871 |      2 (0.00041) |    4824 |      45 |      78.65 |      16.07 |     5.65 |     62.57 |  20.442
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     6273 |      1 (0.00016) |    6233 |      39 |     173.95 |       4.31 |     8.40 |    169.64 |   2.479
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     7823 |      3 (0.00038) |    7808 |      12 |     482.60 |     303.41 |     1.29 |    179.18 |  62.871
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     9867 |      8 (0.00081) |    9833 |      26 |     758.58 |     124.65 |    55.64 |    633.92 |  16.433
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    12042 |     22 (0.00184) |   11963 |      57 |    1687.27 |    1292.35 |    48.25 |    394.92 |  76.594
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    13177 |     61 (0.00464) |   13099 |      17 |    1876.03 |    2647.47 |    13.12 |   -771.43 | 141.120
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    20799 |    158 (0.00760) |   20628 |      13 |    3595.90 |    3447.69 |     9.35 |    148.20 |  95.878
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    48810 |    754 (0.01545) |   48043 |      13 |   10852.92 |   10530.09 |     1.80 |    322.82 |  97.025
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    18062 |    435 (0.02410) |   17618 |       9 |    5888.19 |    6150.25 |    15.00 |   -262.06 | 104.451
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    26132 |    832 (0.03185) |   25294 |       6 |    6654.42 |    6200.02 |     9.24 |    454.39 |  93.171
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    19213 |    886 (0.04613) |   18319 |       8 |    8010.48 |    9246.84 |    24.99 |  -1236.36 | 115.434
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    23804 |   1462 (0.06143) |   22337 |       5 |    5406.96 |    4929.70 |    31.20 |    477.26 |  91.173
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    26614 |   2515 (0.09457) |   24078 |      21 |   11784.04 |   12464.80 |     7.01 |   -680.76 | 105.777
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   106725 |  13097 (0.12275) |   93603 |      25 |   16719.49 |   14494.70 |     0.00 |   2224.79 |  86.693
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    27678 |   5184 (0.18743) |   22475 |      19 |   11341.22 |   11583.33 |    14.50 |   -242.11 | 102.135
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   123843 |  30181 (0.24377) |   93629 |      33 |   77375.63 |   77676.84 |   566.79 |   -301.20 | 100.389
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    90166 |  33170 (0.36811) |   56939 |      57 |   76277.63 |   77232.44 |   212.64 |   -954.81 | 101.252
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   684001 | 333965 (0.48861) |  349535 |     501 |  394517.25 |  390400.86 |  2923.44 |   4116.39 |  98.957
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   268691 | 134003 (0.49914) |  134466 |     222 |  256691.40 |  251456.65 |  1709.79 |   5234.74 |  97.961
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   187906 | 138274 (0.73620) |   49547 |      85 |  184295.15 |  181060.19 |   704.58 |   3234.96 |  98.245
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |    20638 |  16420 (0.79616) |    4204 |      14 |   30851.22 |   30772.27 |  1187.00 |     78.95 |  99.744
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |    19455 |  16669 (0.85799) |    2759 |      27 |   31854.46 |   31498.32 |   400.00 |    356.13 |  98.882
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |    11374 |  10433 (0.91799) |     932 |       9 |   25684.91 |   25615.01 |     0.00 |     69.90 |  99.728
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     8954 |   8621 (0.98022) |     174 |     159 |   19359.51 |   19026.88 |   239.21 |    332.63 |  98.282
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  1775916 | 717779           | 1056314 |    1823 |  437864.46 |  428994.53 |   160.35 |   8869.93 |  97.974
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |    58677 |  29377           |   29079 |     221 |  744703.42 |  739180.79 |  8099.50 |   5522.62 |  99.258
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                                |  1834593 | 747156           | 1085393 |    2044 | 1182567.88 | 1168175.32 |  8259.86 |  14392.55 |  98.783
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SD Profit before fees:      14392.55941874 BTC (1.217%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        1028.65267500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       13363.90674374 BTC (1.130%)
----
Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  6157750  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  3403090  (55.3%)
Blockchain MB:   2605.1  :  SatoshiDice MB:   1390.2  (53.4%)

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 19, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
Anybody interesed in my system send me a PM. It's still gambling, but I personnally made some nice profits with the system  Cool

Here's some numbers I came up with based on your suggestion of "start at 0.1 BTC and multiply by 1.5 until you win":

Code:
turn  1 | bet   0.10 | total   0.10 | win   0.40 | profit   0.30 | risk 75.59%
turn  2 | bet   0.15 | total   0.25 | win   0.60 | profit   0.35 | risk 57.13%
turn  3 | bet   0.23 | total   0.48 | win   0.90 | profit   0.43 | risk 43.18%
turn  4 | bet   0.34 | total   0.81 | win   1.35 | profit   0.54 | risk 32.64%
turn  5 | bet   0.51 | total   1.32 | win   2.03 | profit   0.71 | risk 24.67%
turn  6 | bet   0.76 | total   2.08 | win   3.04 | profit   0.96 | risk 18.65%
turn  7 | bet   1.14 | total   3.22 | win   4.56 | profit   1.34 | risk 14.10%
turn  8 | bet   1.71 | total   4.93 | win   6.83 | profit   1.91 | risk 10.65%
turn  9 | bet   2.56 | total   7.49 | win  10.25 | profit   2.76 | risk  8.05%
turn 10 | bet   3.84 | total  11.33 | win  15.38 | profit   4.04 | risk  6.09%
turn 11 | bet   5.77 | total  17.10 | win  23.07 | profit   5.97 | risk  4.60%
turn 12 | bet   8.65 | total  25.75 | win  34.60 | profit   8.85 | risk  3.48%
turn 13 | bet  12.97 | total  38.72 | win  51.90 | profit  13.17 | risk  2.63%
turn 14 | bet  19.46 | total  58.19 | win  77.85 | profit  19.66 | risk  1.99%
turn 15 | bet  29.19 | total  87.38 | win 116.77 | profit  29.39 | risk  1.50%
turn 16 | bet  43.79 | total 131.17 | win 175.16 | profit  43.99 | risk  1.14%
turn 17 | bet  65.68 | total 196.85 | win 262.74 | profit  65.88 | risk  0.86%
turn 18 | bet  98.53 | total 295.38 | win 394.10 | profit  98.73 | risk  0.65%
turn 19 | bet 147.79 | total 443.17 | win 591.16 | profit 147.99 | risk  0.49%
turn 20 | bet 219.00 | total 662.17 | win 876.00 | profit 213.83 | risk  0.37%
turn 21 | bet 219.00 | total 881.17 | win 876.00 | profit  -5.17 | risk  0.28%

Looks to me that when (if!) you eventually win, your overall profit is roughly equal to the amount of your winning bet.

So if you win on the 20th turn, you bet 219 BTC, and make a profit of 213.83 BTC.

Of course, it's possible that you lose all 20 bets in a row, and then you lose the whole 662 BTC that you bet.  Or you could play a 21st time and hope to almost break even.

Is this similar to your system?
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
November 19, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
I hate posts like this... Makes me want to play again...

Me too.  I even started drawing up betting strategies, even though I know they don't and can't work.

What about such an idea: more the others lose, more u win? The premise is that SatoshiDICE doesn't distinguish different players and Statistics says that in the long run SatoshiDice gets only 2%.

A winning strategy should be playing only when SatoshiDICE wins, not loses.

I dont know about losers or winnings etc.

I only know that satoshi dice is a true "random" betting system because they use your transaction id with some hashing etc to make a random number. More random is (in my opinion) not possible Tongue.

And as said, it IS still gambling, but now you bet on the fact that you can have a lose streak of 15-20x. (i can have 20x with my system, starting profits of 0,30 up to 99btc @ 20th loss)

Anybody interesed in my system send me a PM. It's still gambling, but I personnally made some nice profits with the system  Cool


Edit, by profit i mean "winnings - previous bets" so not the actual winning wich is around 400 btc then Tongue
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
November 19, 2012, 06:00:07 AM
I hate posts like this... Makes me want to play again...

Me too.  I even started drawing up betting strategies, even though I know they don't and can't work.

What about such an idea: more the others lose, more u win? The premise is that SatoshiDICE doesn't distinguish different players and Statistics says that in the long run SatoshiDice gets only 2%.

A winning strategy should be playing only when SatoshiDICE wins, not loses.

You'd have to have knowledge of the future, and even then I don't think this would work.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
November 19, 2012, 05:35:34 AM
I hate posts like this... Makes me want to play again...

Me too.  I even started drawing up betting strategies, even though I know they don't and can't work.

What about such an idea: more the others lose, more u win? The premise is that SatoshiDICE doesn't distinguish different players and Statistics says that in the long run SatoshiDice gets only 2%.

A winning strategy should be playing only when SatoshiDICE wins, not loses.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 19, 2012, 04:38:30 AM
I hate posts like this... Makes me want to play again...

Me too.  I even started drawing up betting strategies, even though I know they don't and can't work.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
November 19, 2012, 04:36:09 AM
expect some nice things hapening on the 24% 1 :  4 bet

I made alot with martingale system Tongue

Started with ~120btc today, and now i got 330. So who's saying martingale doesn't work?....



All done today, i can't show adress because all transactions come in on differen adresses for some reason.... And all of the wallets i check in my client don't seem to have a saldo on block explorer....

EDIT:

i started betting with just 20BTC!!. around 36 hours ago. But only today did a nice betting work. Lost some coins to, so i could have been over 400 if i didn't make stupid bets to 1% and 50%.... (did 25 on 50% and lost  Cheesy)

I hate posts like this... Makes me want to play again...
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
November 19, 2012, 12:41:29 AM
Nice one dooglus Smiley

I hope this is him too:

Code:
Mon Nov 19 02:31:44 2012 <16000 b208551 56b583232681a689 1 133zNWzjEFELzeWk9BqNtq5QR59JWXJmC6 BET   200.00000000 WIN    600.53870000

The only largish <16000 bet so far today.

not me Smiley

I start with 0,1 and do *1,5 each lose

so 0,1 > 0,15 > 0,225 > 0,3375 > 0,50625

got some bets of 29 and won but no higher  then 29btc. And I was very lucky  Cool

edit: about 1600 transactions, so around 800 bets from me Wink
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
November 19, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
Nice one dooglus Smiley

I hope this is him too:

Code:
Mon Nov 19 02:31:44 2012 <16000 b208551 56b583232681a689 1 133zNWzjEFELzeWk9BqNtq5QR59JWXJmC6 BET   200.00000000 WIN    600.53870000

The only largish <16000 bet so far today.
sr. member
Activity: 446
Merit: 250
November 18, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
All done today, i can't show adress because all transactions come in on differen adresses for some reason.... And all of the wallets i check in my client don't seem to have a saldo on block explorer....

This is probably you:

Code:
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 dc64ebbaa87038f3 1 1CVWr2txMmokXi79bDsAYrmKk8r5HrnLVw BET    12.97463379 LOSE   -12.91026063
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 010326bc1ec8d7f5 1 15r57iHobuuTgkdvWfKQ6JtaUgc5GFAsiF BET    19.46195068 LOSE   -19.36514093
Sun Nov 18 09:54:34 2012 <16000 b208469 4fc3968812896b8b 1 1973JBXBtdNuFea7ybLUdy4KEb3M2CWciv BET    29.19292603 WIN     87.65698221

Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 61beb18cd638920c 1 1Du29g3FbWK5AZ73AKPtkm32ZakGywsB4S BET    12.97463379 LOSE   -12.91026063
Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 03d05ce7a66a4aa7 1 1ECHuAfKi4tHgg1uUs48EsUu8dAfLf628B BET    19.46195069 LOSE   -19.36514094
Sun Nov 18 12:10:38 2012 <16000 b208488 774a03211ea444ea 1  1F713siXKGHoYG7AUGTQHxdvERUrxpup6 BET    29.19292603 WIN     87.65698221

Sun Nov 18 12:54:56 2012 <16000 b208493 a4a13baa1605cc5a 1 17nNGYSWsdHaJofXDJrx7oht6qdC9E1xGh BET    12.97463379 WIN     38.95838098

Sun Nov 18 14:05:01 2012 <16000 b208500 2ba7f6f7708a4afd 1 1FEgGerEhu7AxPJpfxFa67SpRdLkpGafKE BET    12.97463378 LOSE   -12.91026062
Sun Nov 18 14:05:01 2012 <16000 b208500 6293a2ab23ff5673 1 187hUrZgM8my4RA6w6UHjcqFQYZD6uxUhs BET    19.46195069 WIN     58.43782148

9 bets on lessthan 16000.  4 wins out of 9 - you got pretty lucky...  You would expect on average to only win 2.2 out of 9. (9*16000/65536)

(I'm only listing bets which win or lose more than 10 BTC, so it's possible you made many more smaller bets).
Nice one dooglus Smiley
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