Topic: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io seized my profits - page 4. (Read 3065 times)

Here is the flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

Please, support the flag, we need to stop this fraud together, and the first measure is taking action.

Thanks!

Thank you, I'll post the flag right head.

Meanwhile, this is the screenshot of the PM I got last thursday:

https://imgur.com/a/rr7HNog

And this the one I got a few moments ago:

https://imgur.com/a/EZ9EE0D

I find everything very deceptive.

Your flag will be supported (at least by me) - it's crazy really. I don't get what happened to those guys, they are now even pissing me off in the German subboards because I am not supporting their actions, lol, and raising awareness - yeah, that's not gonna work.

You are not even giving me a clarification about the whole issue, and it is the main point I have been requesting from the start.

It is a shame that on Thursday you tried to create false expectations on me, saying on your PM:

"I'm going to speak to my bosses about this case again to see if they are still happy with the decision they made.
They might want to change it, they may not.. but i will get some more information out of them about the case."

At least I expected that you would clarify "something", but what a disappointment.

Now it is clear that you only reached out trying to slow the growing public interest that it was having at the time.

Also, the simple fact of saying "happy about it" makes me believe the whole thing is a joke for you, pure random harrassment.

The excuse that you are giving, about multiaccounting and therefore, ToS being violated, is baseless, no proof and clarification has ever been given.

Must point out to you that you never raised any flags while I was depositing and wagering, never. Why didn't you freeze the account before depositing? Why do you only raise flags upon withdrawing?

You are ilegally seizing my profits without even giving evidence proving your allegations and I consider it devastating as it is clearly a scam.

Give me back my legitimate funds, you can't be taking money from players who lose and then, when luck comes around, winning some bets and then, placing a withdraw, avoid paying the profits.

Thats outragerous.

Thank you, I'll create the flag right away.

I had positive expectations from the start.

I even sent them some PMs trying to reach an amicable resolution before feeling forced to create this thread.

I thought this people would have some ethics and would realize that what they did was completely wrong.

But no, scammers are always scammers.

1. Go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=832366

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4. Give the appropriate info in the marked area (link will be these thread)


5. Hit confirm.

Unfortunately there are nothing much to talk. I am sorry it's ending up like this.

Well, after sending several more PMs, finally I have been answered, although is nothing new.

They will not refund anything and also will not give any clarification about the whole issue.

On the baseless statement given on this topic by Sportsbet.io, no multiaccounting was even mentioned, but now they keep on giving me the same excuse.

I would appreciate if someone could instruct me on how to create a flag against Sportsbet.io, please.

Thank you very much.

Hi Saturent,

I have sent you the email to your account inbox.

Unfortunately, we are not able to refund the remaining amount, so the initial refund of your full deposit was 427mbtc which has already been returned.

regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

Hi Steve,

Any update...?

Kindly, let me know

I supported neymarjr12's flag just after registering on the forum.

Also, I am currently waiting for a new update from Sportsbet.io, I believe that to creating a flag is not a "must" yet.

By the time I see their latest updates, it will be more clear whether the flag is necessary.

To be fair, I was not even willing to start this thread, and before I posted it, I had already sent several PMs to Steve trying to get a better assistance than the one I was receiving.

Sadly, I did not even receive a single specification from him so, the last resource was to exposing my case on the forum.

That's obvious that what they do is really shady and if people do not expose it sharing their cases publicly, shit will keep on happening.

I wish I could help you to get this resolved. I'm really feeling for you, and I've been saying it from day 1.

They have full anonymity and only reputation to rely on and yet they get so much "respect" from too many Bitcoin Talk members here which makes it even more suspicious where is the real integrity of Bitcoin Talk? (I'd love it if an admin could get involved with these unscrupulous practices).

Regarding your very own problem why haven't you created a flag until now?
Please create one.

The first poster (neymarjr) got his issue resolved only after a flag was created. It's time every accuser will follow suit and let the integrity of this forum to hopefully win or express its genuine verdict.

And thats your contribution to the whole thread?  

LOL

*customer care

Thank you for empathizing JollyGood.

Actually, if they only improved their handling on costumer care, there would not be all this mess around.

I was told by Steve that a new update could come up during the weekend, will see what they have to say.

Absolutely yes I agree with you. That is partly why I said Sportsbet have lost the PR battle in this forum. They have not handled things in the best way.

Although I mostly do not disagree with you,  I believe you will agree on that when not even a simple clarification is given (not proof, just some specific clarification), the whole issue becomes heavily negative and frustrating for the player.

I agree with you, that is what can be done by Sportsbet and all other casinos because that is what their Terms and Conditions clearly state.

I have no idea how many times this would have been implemented either by Sportsbet or any other casino but what I do know is that even though you might be right when you state that the whole becomes deceptive when the funds are frozen at the point of withdrawal otherwise the casino is happy to allow the suspected wrongdoer to lose - there is a fundamental flaw in your argument. You signed up to their website and accepted their ToS.

In a nutshell, if I sign up to a casino and deposit 1 BTC then gamble via various games and find myself 1 or 2 BTC up, then try to withdraw but have my account frozen after having my initial 1 BTC deposit returned to me - then I have to accept it because as per the ToS that I willingly signed up to, that is what the casino can do. They are under no obligation to offer me any explanation about what suspected fraud or breach of ToS I was involved in.


 - My first advice is for those of you that conclude Sportsbet might be a bit tough on those suspected of fraud and breaching their ToS but believe Sportsbet are not scammers - you should consider carry on playing or signing up as a new player.

 - My second advice for those of you that conclude Sportsbet is a scam or might be a scam - stop playing there and advise your nearest and dearest to avoid playing there too.

 - My third advice for those of you that claim Sportsbet scammed them - you read the ToS (or at least should have) and you accepted them but still gambled there so you really do not have a case. Please find a casino to gamble at that you will be sure will not scam you.


What is definitely clear is that Sportsbet have (unfortunately for themselves) failed to engage with the community here in a manner that seemed both somewhat sympathetic to those that were making the allegations and also by addressing the points and concerns that highly respected forum members raised. Sportsbet might have lost the recent PR battle by engaging with the community in a below par manner but I am sure if they modify their approach most of the users in the forum will be satisfied with their response after they add a little human touch to their posts.

As for those making allegations against Sportsbet, if you were making an allegation against a casino with no track record or a new one or one that has been around a short time then the case might be that they were set up with the intention of selective scamming users until their exit scam and that would change the dimension of the case against the alleged scammers but Sportsbet have been around a few years and other than a recent flurry of claims made against them specifically in the crypto betting website they have an almost excellent track record.

All in all it is extremely hard to accept Sportsbet are selective scamming users, I refuse to accept that they are scammers based on the evidence I have seen in the scam accusations threads. They are turning over millions of USD$ every year and the idea them stealing from users is almost impossible to believe or accept it. The amounts involved in the cases are tiny so it probably means Sportsbet are heavily clamping down against those their algorithm flagged up as breaching their ToS regardless of the amounts involved but they always return the deposit - better than receiving nothing.

I sympathise with the handful of users making allegations of wrongdoing against Sportsbet that started several days ago but their ToS that alleged victims willingly accepted clearly trumps any allegation against them. If it is any consolation to the alleged victims, Sportsbet have not exactly covered themselves in glory in the recent days when allegations started surfacing and have a lot of work to do before some senior members start trusting them fully again.

I agree.

Sadly, they only use to respond when those cases are exposed publicly.

Anyway, Im still waiting for new updates.

Let everything aside, would you play in a casino if you knew your winnings could be confiscated for whatever bullshit reason? I wouldn't.

Don't give me that it is written in their ToS. Nobody reads it. They should, but they don't. Accept this reality first. You don't read it neither.

According to my logic, no ToS should be above common sense. THAT shit makes no sense. None. Zip.

I never heard of a casino returning the initial deposits of a losing player btw. Never.

Upon registration, it should be clearly stated that if any wrongdoing is suspected, it wont be mentioned until the player tries to withdraw.

Otherwise, the whole thing becomes decepive.

Yeah but that's the issue. Because the implied contract starts when the player places the bet. Basically the casino has until the start of the game the bet is placed on to null the bet. After that it's set in stone.

Your point is relevant, but it's exactly what is wrong. Casinos decide wether the bet is ok or not based on the outcome of the bet. The input is already flawed.

I stand by my point.