Show me one historical evidence (outside of religious texts) that Moses or Jesus existed.
Show me one place in the Bible that says that they didn't exist.
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Show me one historical evidence (outside of religious texts) that Moses or Jesus existed.
Show me one place in the Bible that says that they didn't exist.
And what do we know for sure? You keep talking about knowing for sure and facts but you still dont understand that there is no such thing. Science does not operate that way. There are no 100% facts in anything. Science theory is the closest we can get to facts
So, this is why science thinks the universe is 13 billion years old? Because they don't know it? Because they know there are as many ideas that suggest the universe - at least the earth - is young, like 10,000 years old?
I'm soooo happy that scientists can get excited about the things that they don't know, and especially that they know that they don't know... even while they advertise that they are fact... like evolution, for example.
All you are suggesting is that science is a big conglomeration of science fiction.
Much of religion, on the other hand, is recorded, eye witness accounts. Some of it sci-fi science doesn't have a clue about. So science sci-fi tries to dismiss it as fantasy or fiction. But as you said, it is science that is the fiction. So their dismissals are fictitious. Religion, being eye witness accounts, is factual, even though some of it might be interpretations of what was seen, because - as we have so often heard - truth is stranger than fiction.
Show me one contemporary historical figure who actually saw Moses or Jesus for that matter.
Contemporary to what? Our time or theirs? Did Plato or Archimedes or Euclid really exist?
EDIT: Miriam and Aaron saw Moses. Peter, James and John saw Jesus. (Sorry, I got carried away. You asked for only one.)
Show me one historical evidence (outside of religious texts) that Moses or Jesus existed.
And what do we know for sure? You keep talking about knowing for sure and facts but you still dont understand that there is no such thing. Science does not operate that way. There are no 100% facts in anything. Science theory is the closest we can get to facts
So, this is why science thinks the universe is 13 billion years old? Because they don't know it? Because they know there are as many ideas that suggest the universe - at least the earth - is young, like 10,000 years old?
I'm soooo happy that scientists can get excited about the things that they don't know, and especially that they know that they don't know... even while they advertise that they are fact... like evolution, for example.
All you are suggesting is that science is a big conglomeration of science fiction.
Much of religion, on the other hand, is recorded, eye witness accounts. Some of it sci-fi science doesn't have a clue about. So science sci-fi tries to dismiss it as fantasy or fiction. But as you said, it is science that is the fiction. So their dismissals are fictitious. Religion, being eye witness accounts, is factual, even though some of it might be interpretations of what was seen, because - as we have so often heard - truth is stranger than fiction.
Show me one contemporary historical figure who actually saw Moses or Jesus for that matter.
Contemporary to what? Our time or theirs? Did Plato or Archimedes or Euclid really exist?
EDIT: Miriam and Aaron saw Moses. Peter, James and John saw Jesus. (Sorry, I got carried away. You asked for only one.)
And what do we know for sure? You keep talking about knowing for sure and facts but you still dont understand that there is no such thing. Science does not operate that way. There are no 100% facts in anything. Science theory is the closest we can get to facts
So, this is why science thinks the universe is 13 billion years old? Because they don't know it? Because they know there are as many ideas that suggest the universe - at least the earth - is young, like 10,000 years old?
I'm soooo happy that scientists can get excited about the things that they don't know, and especially that they know that they don't know... even while they advertise that they are fact... like evolution, for example.
All you are suggesting is that science is a big conglomeration of science fiction.
Much of religion, on the other hand, is recorded, eye witness accounts. Some of it sci-fi science doesn't have a clue about. So science sci-fi tries to dismiss it as fantasy or fiction. But as you said, it is science that is the fiction. So their dismissals are fictitious. Religion, being eye witness accounts, is factual, even though some of it might be interpretations of what was seen, because - as we have so often heard - truth is stranger than fiction.
Show me one contemporary historical figure who actually saw Moses or Jesus for that matter.
And what do we know for sure? You keep talking about knowing for sure and facts but you still dont understand that there is no such thing. Science does not operate that way. There are no 100% facts in anything. Science theory is the closest we can get to facts
So, this is why science thinks the universe is 13 billion years old? Because they don't know it? Because they know there are as many ideas that suggest the universe - at least the earth - is young, like 10,000 years old?
I'm soooo happy that scientists can get excited about the things that they don't know, and especially that they know that they don't know... even while they advertise that they are fact... like evolution, for example.
All you are suggesting is that science is a big conglomeration of science fiction.
Much of religion, on the other hand, is recorded, eye witness accounts. Some of it sci-fi science doesn't have a clue about. So science sci-fi tries to dismiss it as fantasy or fiction. But as you said, it is science that is the fiction. So their dismissals are fictitious. Religion, being eye witness accounts, is factual, even though some of it might be interpretations of what was seen, because - as we have so often heard - truth is stranger than fiction.
Why do I care that a few idiots changed their mind and started believing in creationism? The evidence against a young earth is INSANELY HUGE. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation There are literally dozens of different methods that all point to an earth far older than 10000 years old, it's not even close lol.
All the scientific methods that show the age of the earth are based on things that we do not know. Of course, this makes them to be religious methods rather than science methods. Certainly there is some knowledge, but much of the understanding is based on things we don't know for sure... or really, even close.
All that this proves is that scientific people who believe science things that are not known is, these people have made science their religion.
So we see that people are religious beings at heart, and anything can be their religion... even science.
And what do we know for sure? You keep talking about knowing for sure and facts but you still dont understand that there is no such thing. Science does not operate that way. There are no 100% facts in anything. Science theory is the closest we can get to facts
Most of the if we look to the science it contradict from religion but also tells us to understands it. Then how to comprehend this when the both of these things are really important in your life?
Religions are the myths of our cultures. They can be very useful for giving broad guidelines to ways of living harmoniously and being productive to that respective culture. Or when the mythology of the religion is followed too literally and dogmatically it can cause a lot of friction, hate, and separatism, i.e.religious segregation.
In particularly religious households the myth is pressed upon the youth to be swallowed wholesale. No thought, no questioning. No asking if that is reasonable or fair.
There is a lot that is good in religion but there is also a lot of separatism, causing hate and fear of others, too. A lot of it depends upon certain groups interpretation, of the existing holy books of that religion.
The highest and most pure part of the religions seems to overlap and be of the same essence in every culture. The love part. And especially if that love part includes all of humanity, Male, and Female, and all races, and all plants and animals. Any religion that has that is a good mythology and is beneficial to all.
But going down the list, Religions come with more and more rules and regulations.
It seems to be the downfall part of religions. Then at some points in history you have mass genocides. All in the name of religion.
The science is a way of thinking, observing and investigating our physical world around us. And as you said "engineering".. So engineering using established facts, or using theory to imagine possibilities beyond our present established facts. How things might work.
We can dream about anything and then figure out how to make it. That's science.
Why do I care that a few idiots changed their mind and started believing in creationism? The evidence against a young earth is INSANELY HUGE. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation There are literally dozens of different methods that all point to an earth far older than 10000 years old, it's not even close lol.
All the scientific methods that show the age of the earth are based on things that we do not know. Of course, this makes them to be religious methods rather than science methods. Certainly there is some knowledge, but much of the understanding is based on things we don't know for sure... or really, even close.
All that this proves is that scientific people who believe science things that are not known is, these people have made science their religion.
So we see that people are religious beings at heart, and anything can be their religion... even science.
You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)
I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.
Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.
Religion takes an overview of life.
Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff.
If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live.
If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years.
You seem very confused about what the topic is.
Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet.
Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).
Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.
If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?
A. There's much evidence that the Earth and Universe are young, if you looked at my original reply to this thread, there are at least two former Atheists who switched to being young-earth Creationists based on the evidence. Saying it is old is based on many assumptions, including the assumption that God does not exist and did not create anything (which is a BIG assumption), and their models are full of inconsistencies that constantly run into problems in nature, they cannot fully explain how the Universe formed with their models, therefore why would you trust them to know the age?
There's a lot more evidence for a young Earth & Universe by the way than what they present in their presentations. Here's some from the original reply.
-Spike Psarris: Science or Storytelling?
Spike Psarris worked on a military space program, entering as an Atheist, become a Creationist based on the evidence, and then later becoming a Christian after that.
https://youtu.be/gufYmnj0Gjw
-Spike Psarris: Dinosaurs and the Age of the Earth
https://youtu.be/REwIALE9P2g
-What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our Created Solar System)
See Volumes II (Our Created Stars and Galaxies) and III (Our Created Universe[?])
https://youtu.be/CzyQbOQ0dv0
-Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1
Another former Atheist, watch the other parts, I forget how many there are:
https://youtu.be/uJGairhrPGc
Also see:
-Origins: Our Created Moon
Here's a video about the moon from the show Origins hosted on the Cornerstone Network - watch all of their videos Cheesy
https://youtu.be/Dk50bycmr_w
-Check out SECTION 2
https://evolutionfacts.com/EncyclopediaTOC.htm
And also:
-Michael Egnor: The Evidence Against Materialism
Neurosurgeon discusses how materialism is not supported by science, but rather hinders science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrpBPdtSI&feature=youtu.be
-James Tour: The Mystery of the Origin of Life
James Tour is a world renown synthetic organic chemist, and deals with nanotechnology, and a Messianic Jew. Type in James Tour in Youtube, and you'll see a host of videos by him, including a couple directly related to your question. This video is as well, but the title isn't as direct.
https://youtu.be/zU7Lww-sBPg
B1. There is none. B2. There are many other evidences that the Bible is true, so no. B3. The fulfilled prophesies have impossible probabilities of being fulfilled, but they were, even in recent times, and more to come (ps, have you ever looked into the odds/probabilities of things happening by chance, such as the formation of a single protein? Beyond impossible odds... over, and over, and over again. Or that it's more probable [mathematically speaking] that you're a Boltzmann brain than that the Big Bang happened? That's essentially a fully formed floating brain in space that randomly popped into existence a short moment ago and will disappear in a few short moments, lol). God was there, and He gives us the historical record, which matches scientific evidence: young earth/universe, global flood, genetic Adam & Eve, genetic population bottleneck, diaspora of languages from a single point (also seen in genetics I believe), uniqueness of creatures in their DNA and reproducing after their kinds, geological evidence of people, places, and events throughout history, etc.
Why do I care that a few idiots changed their mind and started believing in creationism? The evidence against a young earth is INSANELY HUGE. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation There are literally dozens of different methods that all point to an earth far older than 10000 years old, it's not even close lol.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.
Sorry, there is no incoherent stories or scientific errors in it, unless you simply want to look at another Atheist's surface level explanation of things, instead of digging deeply into the matter and see what's really going on. And you wouldn't have logic unless a God of logic gave you the ability to reason, it would not have happened by chance. Because He chose to do it that way. To rest in that sense simply means He stopped creating, which is fairly obvious in the context. There's nothing flawed about God choosing to do things certain ways, and us not understanding it, that's our lack of understanding, it is flawed to believe that the complexity and design and immensity of life and the Universe came from nothing, and that we are descendants of rocks, or that things don't produce after their kinds as we have always observed. The Bible does say that the prolonging of Christ's return is for your chance to repent and turn to Him so you can be saved. As to what will prevent humans from doing bad in Heaven, the Bible is very cleary: A. when Jesus comes back He will do away with everything evil. B. We will be changed to be like Him (the process of which begins when you get filled with the Holy Spirit now). In essence, we will no longer have a sin nature, nor anything evil wondering around in Heaven / the New Earth.
The Bible describes this type of attitude in 1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." The crucifixion and the resurrection are facts of history, so regardless of what we don't understand, we have to deal with that fact. See near the bottom of my original reply to this thread for more.
''And you wouldn't have logic unless a God of logic gave you the ability to reason, it would not have happened by chance.'' Logical Fallacy, False Dilemma: A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.
It is not flawed to believe that god made mistakes, otherwise why did he need to kill everyone and start again?
I have no interest in dissecting your delusion. Stay ignorant if you makes you feel better. Just keep your delusion at home.
Why are Gods always reflecting the culture in which they were created? The Bible is not only a fairy tale, but it is a fairy tale for adults only. A manual for a Bronze Age dweller on how to live his life. The treatment of other human beings in it is outside of the moral norms of most cultures today.
Who wrote the Bible?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13943874
Not suitable for children, some more homework for apologetics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13910414
Sanity self-check:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48861535
I am only replying to you as a courtesy to another human being who is a victim of this Bronze Age cult. You need help. I am not a psychiatrist, I cannot help you.
The One God over everything is reflected by all people in the universe... even though many of them don't understand that the reflection of God is in them.
Bible writers were people God directed to do the writing for Him. The people He used were honest people who understood that God existed. They also believed Him.
Childhood is the best time to learn Bible religion. Why? Because embedding the truth of the Bible into children keeps them faithful to God all their lives... often even when they have many doubts.
You missed the top reason why the best sanity is to believe what God says. It's so that you can be saved for Heaven. You personally need to do a self-check, and ask why you are pointing yourself towards Hell.
If you were a psychiatrist, you might be able to help yourself... not that you would, any more than most psychiatrists.
You realize that the majority of Atheists in North America come from your cult, don't you?
Indoctrinating children into your cult is child abuse.
I have no interest in dissecting your delusion. Stay ignorant if you makes you feel better. Just keep your delusion at home.
Why are Gods always reflecting the culture in which they were created? The Bible is not only a fairy tale, but it is a fairy tale for adults only. A manual for a Bronze Age dweller on how to live his life. The treatment of other human beings in it is outside of the moral norms of most cultures today.
Who wrote the Bible?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13943874
Not suitable for children, some more homework for apologetics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13910414
Sanity self-check:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48861535
I am only replying to you as a courtesy to another human being who is a victim of this Bronze Age cult. You need help. I am not a psychiatrist, I cannot help you.
The One God over everything is reflected by all people in the universe... even though many of them don't understand that the reflection of God is in them.
Bible writers were people God directed to do the writing for Him. The people He used were honest people who understood that God existed. They also believed Him.
Childhood is the best time to learn Bible religion. Why? Because embedding the truth of the Bible into children keeps them faithful to God all their lives... often even when they have many doubts.
You missed the top reason why the best sanity is to believe what God says. It's so that you can be saved for Heaven. You personally need to do a self-check, and ask why you are pointing yourself towards Hell.
If you were a psychiatrist, you might be able to help yourself... not that you would, any more than most psychiatrists.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
Hi
A. Unicorns: please get a 1600's English dictionary and look the word up, it means a single-horned animal, and gives specific reference to a rhinoceros.
B. As to the spiritual, you're assuming that the spiritual doesn't exist, I assume you're a naturalist/materialist, which does not lend itself to the evidence, for example, please see:
-Michael Egnor: The Evidence Against Materialism
Neurosurgeon discusses how materialism is not supported by science, but rather hinders science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrpBPdtSI&feature=youtu.be
On miracles, here's some scholarly approaches:
-Lee Strobel: The Case for Miracles
Also the man who does "The Case For Christ"
https://youtu.be/y3VSIWHZtOI
-2 Volume scholarly work: "Miracles: The Credibility Of The New Testament Accounts" by Craig Keener.
The Bible disagrees with that assumption, and so does human experience and evidence.
Thank you.
I have no interest in dissecting your delusion. Stay ignorant if you makes you feel better. Just keep your delusion at home.
Why are Gods always reflecting the culture in which they were created? The Bible is not only a fairy tale, but it is a fairy tale for adults only. A manual for a Bronze Age dweller on how to live his life. The treatment of other human beings in it is outside of the moral norms of most cultures today.
Who wrote the Bible?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13943874
Not suitable for children, some more homework for apologetics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13910414
Sanity self-check:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48861535
I am only replying to you as a courtesy to another human being who is a victim of this Bronze Age cult. You need help. I am not a psychiatrist, I cannot help you.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.
Sorry, there is no incoherent stories or scientific errors in it, unless you simply want to look at another Atheist's surface level explanation of things, instead of digging deeply into the matter and see what's really going on. And you wouldn't have logic unless a God of logic gave you the ability to reason, it would not have happened by chance. Because He chose to do it that way. To rest in that sense simply means He stopped creating, which is fairly obvious in the context. There's nothing flawed about God choosing to do things certain ways, and us not understanding it, that's our lack of understanding, it is flawed to believe that the complexity and design and immensity of life and the Universe came from nothing, and that we are descendants of rocks, or that things don't produce after their kinds as we have always observed. The Bible does say that the prolonging of Christ's return is for your chance to repent and turn to Him so you can be saved. As to what will prevent humans from doing bad in Heaven, the Bible is very cleary: A. when Jesus comes back He will do away with everything evil. B. We will be changed to be like Him (the process of which begins when you get filled with the Holy Spirit now). In essence, we will no longer have a sin nature, nor anything evil wondering around in Heaven / the New Earth.
The Bible describes this type of attitude in 1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." The crucifixion and the resurrection are facts of history, so regardless of what we don't understand, we have to deal with that fact. See near the bottom of my original reply to this thread for more.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
Hi
A. Unicorns: please get a 1600's English dictionary and look the word up, it means a single-horned animal, and gives specific reference to a rhinoceros.
B. As to the spiritual, you're assuming that the spiritual doesn't exist, I assume you're a naturalist/materialist, which does not lend itself to the evidence, for example, please see:
-Michael Egnor: The Evidence Against Materialism
Neurosurgeon discusses how materialism is not supported by science, but rather hinders science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrpBPdtSI&feature=youtu.be
On miracles, here's some scholarly approaches:
-Lee Strobel: The Case for Miracles
Also the man who does "The Case For Christ"
https://youtu.be/y3VSIWHZtOI
-2 Volume scholarly work: "Miracles: The Credibility Of The New Testament Accounts" by Craig Keener.
The Bible disagrees with that assumption, and so does human experience and evidence.
Thank you.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
It is my opinion. Did humans write it? Sure. Is everything in it true? No.
Well I'm glad you're willing to admit it's your opinion. Are you willing to look objectively at evidence for it being true? I would disagree, but what specifically would you say is not true? I'd be happy to carry on a conversation via email: [email protected].
You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)
I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.
Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.
Religion takes an overview of life.
Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff.
If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live.
If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years.
You seem very confused about what the topic is.
Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet.
Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).
Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.
If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?
A. There's much evidence that the Earth and Universe are young, if you looked at my original reply to this thread, there are at least two former Atheists who switched to being young-earth Creationists based on the evidence. Saying it is old is based on many assumptions, including the assumption that God does not exist and did not create anything (which is a BIG assumption), and their models are full of inconsistencies that constantly run into problems in nature, they cannot fully explain how the Universe formed with their models, therefore why would you trust them to know the age?
There's a lot more evidence for a young Earth & Universe by the way than what they present in their presentations. Here's some from the original reply.
-Spike Psarris: Science or Storytelling?
Spike Psarris worked on a military space program, entering as an Atheist, become a Creationist based on the evidence, and then later becoming a Christian after that.
https://youtu.be/gufYmnj0Gjw
-Spike Psarris: Dinosaurs and the Age of the Earth
https://youtu.be/REwIALE9P2g
-What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our Created Solar System)
See Volumes II (Our Created Stars and Galaxies) and III (Our Created Universe[?])
https://youtu.be/CzyQbOQ0dv0
-Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1
Another former Atheist, watch the other parts, I forget how many there are:
https://youtu.be/uJGairhrPGc
Also see:
-Origins: Our Created Moon
Here's a video about the moon from the show Origins hosted on the Cornerstone Network - watch all of their videos Cheesy
https://youtu.be/Dk50bycmr_w
-Check out SECTION 2
https://evolutionfacts.com/EncyclopediaTOC.htm
And also:
-Michael Egnor: The Evidence Against Materialism
Neurosurgeon discusses how materialism is not supported by science, but rather hinders science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrpBPdtSI&feature=youtu.be
-James Tour: The Mystery of the Origin of Life
James Tour is a world renown synthetic organic chemist, and deals with nanotechnology, and a Messianic Jew. Type in James Tour in Youtube, and you'll see a host of videos by him, including a couple directly related to your question. This video is as well, but the title isn't as direct.
https://youtu.be/zU7Lww-sBPg
B1. There is none. B2. There are many other evidences that the Bible is true, so no. B3. The fulfilled prophesies have impossible probabilities of being fulfilled, but they were, even in recent times, and more to come (ps, have you ever looked into the odds/probabilities of things happening by chance, such as the formation of a single protein? Beyond impossible odds... over, and over, and over again. Or that it's more probable [mathematically speaking] that you're a Boltzmann brain than that the Big Bang happened? That's essentially a fully formed floating brain in space that randomly popped into existence a short moment ago and will disappear in a few short moments, lol). God was there, and He gives us the historical record, which matches scientific evidence: young earth/universe, global flood, genetic Adam & Eve, genetic population bottleneck, diaspora of languages from a single point (also seen in genetics I believe), uniqueness of creatures in their DNA and reproducing after their kinds, geological evidence of people, places, and events throughout history, etc.
^^^ Much science theory discredits itself.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Not guesses, theories that have some consensus agreement.
You don't find it ironic that you are typing out your anti-science beliefs on something that was only made possible by scientific discovery? The internet.
But what is the major consensus agreement regarding a science theory? Why, that it is a science theory, of course. This means that it is the process of not being fact that they know of. In what way isn't it fact? In the way that they don't know if it is fact or not.
In other words, they are guessing. The one thing they are very sure about is that they don't know about the theory.
How do you know whether something is a fact or not, could you tell us?
What is this? 21 questions? How do you factually know something is not a fact?
^^^ Much science theory discredits itself.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Not guesses, theories that have some consensus agreement.
You don't find it ironic that you are typing out your anti-science beliefs on something that was only made possible by scientific discovery? The internet.
But what is the major consensus agreement regarding a science theory? Why, that it is a science theory, of course. This means that it is the process of not being fact that they know of. In what way isn't it fact? In the way that they don't know if it is fact or not.
In other words, they are guessing. The one thing they are very sure about is that they don't know about the theory.
^^^ Much science theory discredits itself.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Not guesses, theories that have some consensus agreement.
You don't find it ironic that you are typing out your anti-science beliefs on something that was only made possible by scientific discovery? The internet.
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