Topic: Science and Religion? - page 5. (Read 1935 times)
^^^ Thank you. All you are saying is that because science is in it's conception time, that everything is really a miracle, so far.
^^^ Very often doctors can't figure out the reason why their patients live or die, based on all the work they have done with them. Miracles.
Logical fallacy, argument from ignorance. ''An argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), or appeal to ignorance ('ignorance' stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It says something is true because it has not yet been proved false. Or, that something is false if it has not yet been proved true. This is also called a negative proof fallacy. This also includes the (false) assumption there are only two options (true or false). There may be as many as four choices:''
Just because we don't know why it doesn't mean you can call it a miracle since you also don't know if it really was one, you are using lack of evidence as evidence.
^^^ Much science theory discredits itself.
Big Bang Theory says that the universe was very different at and after the BB. This means that our math and physics can't be used to determine if there is a BB, because if there was, the science of it is unknown.
Or take black holes. Science theory says that the material of a BH is crushed into one point at the center of the BH. But Euclidean Geometry - that we use in life all the time - says that a point is nothing. The math that suggests that you can stick countless quantities of material in a point is extremely flawed.
Science talks about dark matter and dark energy. They don't know what it is for sure. But if you took a spinning black hole, light at the equatorial spin location just might be able to get out of the black hole through centrifugal force if the BH were spinning fast enough. But light at the poles would be trapped and sucked in. So, maybe all that dark matter and dark energy are, is black holes that we are seeing from the poles. In fact, maybe all the stars are black holes. Maybe they are black holes that we are seeing equatorially, where the light has escaped. Maybe all the dark energy and dark matter is simply a bunch of black holes that we can't see because we aren't looking at them equatorially.... but we see a few of them because we ARE in position to see them equatorially.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Big Bang Theory says that the universe was very different at and after the BB. This means that our math and physics can't be used to determine if there is a BB, because if there was, the science of it is unknown.
Or take black holes. Science theory says that the material of a BH is crushed into one point at the center of the BH. But Euclidean Geometry - that we use in life all the time - says that a point is nothing. The math that suggests that you can stick countless quantities of material in a point is extremely flawed.
Science talks about dark matter and dark energy. They don't know what it is for sure. But if you took a spinning black hole, light at the equatorial spin location just might be able to get out of the black hole through centrifugal force if the BH were spinning fast enough. But light at the poles would be trapped and sucked in. So, maybe all that dark matter and dark energy are, is black holes that we are seeing from the poles. In fact, maybe all the stars are black holes. Maybe they are black holes that we are seeing equatorially, where the light has escaped. Maybe all the dark energy and dark matter is simply a bunch of black holes that we can't see because we aren't looking at them equatorially.... but we see a few of them because we ARE in position to see them equatorially.
Science is full of guesses. They should focus on practical stuff.
Most sciences that are against religion are found to be baseless. Some of them are available for research to swindle or extort the government by the so called 'grant'. Science should buttress religion and make life easier. For some religion fanatics against science, they do it out of ignorance and later need science to either save their lives or make it easier. Science is now everywhere it is hard to be denied.
^^^ Very often doctors can't figure out the reason why their patients live or die, based on all the work they have done with them. Miracles.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.
God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.
The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.
Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things. (Incoherent logical assertion, science discovering things that people don't know doesn't make them magical)
God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible. (Like for example?)
The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature. (Baseless claim with no evidence)
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.
There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible.
Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God.
Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything?
Why do you think God needed to rest?
We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.
No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good.
Why in the world ask such stupid questions? Why place yourself into such a silly style of thinking? Most of the stuff you ask, you only ask to test other people. God will probably set all the answers within you at the Day of Judgment, before you get a chance to ask them, and before you are cast into the Lake of Fire.
There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible. (https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_incompleteness_and_incoherence_of_the_bible and https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/10/top-20-most-damning-bible-contradictions/ )
Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God. (As well as tons of contradictions and stupid laws, see: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible)
Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything? (“Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1:3-5).
“Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).
Why do you think God needed to rest? (and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3). )
We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.
No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good. (How can god prevent evil in heaven?)
Next?
Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).
Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.
If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?
Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth, the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science.
Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies.
Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth (Baseless claim with no evidence presented)
the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science. (Claim without any kind of evidence or example presented, where is the bible proving science wrong?)
Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies. (Sounds good, the whole thing is trash as already explained before, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors too many mistakes)
Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.
God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.
The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.
You love to be ignorant. Is that your goal? Is that why you belong to your Bronze Age club?
Bronze Age academicians would have run rings around your type of thinking.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.
There aen't any incoherent stories in the Bible.
Simple logic is found all over the Bible, right along with the complex logic expressed by God.
Why do you think God needed 7 days to create anything?
Why do you think God needed to rest?
We are here to prove to those who go to Hell, that God is justified in His sending them to Hell. And actually, When He proves it to them on the Judgment Day, the proof will be so overwhelming that the lost people will even wheep in pity and love for God.
No bad in Heaven. Only levels of good.
Why in the world ask such stupid questions? Why place yourself into such a silly style of thinking? Most of the stuff you ask, you only ask to test other people. God will probably set all the answers within you at the Day of Judgment, before you get a chance to ask them, and before you are cast into the Lake of Fire.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.
God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.
The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.
You love to be ignorant. Is that your goal? Is that why you belong to your Bronze Age club?
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
Science is digging out things that have been unknown. Average people don't know these things. So, science is essentially discovering magical things.
God knew all about those things long ago. Some of them He had written down in the Bible.
The true magic lies in the miracles God does that don't follow the laws of nature.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
It is my opinion. Did humans write it? Sure. Is everything in it true? No.
Everything in the Bible is true, even when it talks about the lies of people and demons.
God Told the Bible writers what to write. He told them in their spirits, and they wrote it.
Lol, actually modern science was headed by many men of faith, including some of the ones you mentioned, and it was important to them how they viewed the world and did their work. Many inventions have come about by people of faith, and even some from Divine revelation. But I ask you: did evolution create computers or the internet? No. The only way the questioner's question makes sense is with the assumption that "science" proves evolution, and disproves the Bible, which it does not. In fact, science keeps proving many of the things the Bible says (in addition to archeological evidence that it is true, along with other signs such as precisely fulfilled prophecy, etc).
Age of the earth, age of the universe proves the bible to be a hoax. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
There are a ton of scientific mistakes in the bible, again proving the bible to be science fiction.
If another religion has more fulfilled prophecies would you change your religion to that one?
Since the Bible is the only accurate way for determining the approximate age of the earth, the Bible is proving science wrong. There are tons of mistakes in science.
Anybody could write a book with prophesies in it. All one would need to do is predict that the earth will last for one more minute. Doing this every minute would outnumber Bible prophesies in short order. So, let's look at the whole thing, not just prophesies.
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
Cause and effect in everything doesn't prove god even if you could prove that everything has a cause which you can't.
How many galaxies,stars are out there? Planets? Trillions and trillions of planets with quadrillions of different things and you claim to know that all of them were caused by something else??? How do you know? Have you been there every time something was created?
Cause and effect in everything proves God. Are you ready to show us something that exists though spontaneity rather than C&E?
You are starting to buck science. Science is built on C&E. The greater the scientist, the more he is into C&E. Even if he is looking for spontaneity, he is using C&E to find it. Do you really think that science knows about any star without using C&E to some extent to find or watch it?
Your personal science is becoming a religions cult for you that's even worse than the FE cult.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
Except that the records of how it was written, the major thread of the Bible being the Messiah, the kind of people who wrote it, the fact that science that is against the Bible is gradually being proven wrong, the sense of the Bible and God in peoples' lives, and loads of other things... all prove that the Bible is way more accurate than science for everything except things that the Bible doesn't express at all.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
This is the main problem with leap of faith. You can basically explain anything away as God's plan. Sorry not buying it.
This being a religion AND science thread, let me say that our modern science is way behind religion. One simple example of this is Chinese traditional medicine, which is connected to their religion, and is way ahead of any medicine the scientific West has.
Of course you have stats and facts behind this correct?
Chinese medicine is connected to nutrition. Common sense says that if you don't eat, nothing will help you. After a month or two you will die of starvation. Nutrition being part of Chinese medicine, has the correct start for health through medicine. And it's all part of their religion, basically.
You can take all the non-edible medication you want, and it might keep you alive for longer than if you simply stopped the nutrition - if you inject nutrition - but your state of life won't be all that good, and you will still be getting nutrition. In addition, the Western medical is finally acknowledging the importance of nutrition, a thing that Chinese medicine has been doing for thousands of years.
I don't keep stats and facts like this in my records. Search for it on the Net.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
Plenty, from the incoherent stories to the many scientific errors in it. Or simple logic, is god all powerful and knows everything? Then why would he need 7 days to create anything? Why would he need to rest? Why are we here if he already knows who will go to heaven? How will heaven prevent humans from doing bad things? Etc. You only need an IQ above 50 to understand the flawed logic.
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
How about the Bible verses that talk about unicorns, witches, wizards, and magic?
^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.
What does that have to do with bill gates inveting an operating system? Or einstein? Again, even the religious inventors and geniuses didnt need the bible to do what they did. Does the bible teach the scientific method? Does it teach a better method? Does it teach anything related to engineering, physics, math?
Cause and effect in everything!
This universe is on the way to being destroyed. Each person gets his proof of it when he dies. The purpose of the Bible is to save souls for the new universe... rather than leave them with this universe and its destruction.
Why would anybody need the Bible for scientific stuff? That's not its purpose?
The Bible is nothing more than a brainwashing fairy tale that had more power in earlier times when life was much more simple and mysteries remained.
If it in inspires and guides you through life, more power to you.
What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? None. On the other hand, I can provide you with lots of evidence that it is not. See my original reply.
It is my opinion. Did humans write it? Sure. Is everything in it true? No.
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