Topic: Science and Religion? - page 7. (Read 1935 times)

^^^ The simple answer is, if people had believed and obeyed God, there wouldn't have been any devolution in the first place.

Religion spawned from a defense mechanism created by humans to explain all the random crap that happens in the world. 
Especially death, because for many humans throughout history the simple thought of what is the purpose of living if there is an absolute end?

We were advanced enough to think about these things and created out own dilemma.

Over time religion has evolved into a force to give people something to believe in, that is for sure.  And people in power exploited it.



"I think human consciousness, is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."

^^^ The location in space of planet Earth doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with the way God set up cause and effect, and the way He maintains the physics of it all.

That's exactly what I think and it's a fact, if it wasn't for the few thousand geniuses and inventors we wouldn't be exactly here, you wouldn't be writing shit. Bill gates is religious but did his religion help him in any way to develop his operating system? Did he read about it in the bible? Did the bible teach him how to do it? Of course not.

Mwahahahahahaha!

So you think we are here because of Edison, Einstein, Newton and every other genius/creator/inventor, eh?

So you think that geniuses/creators/inventors don't have religion?

Mwahahahahahaha!

You really need to go back to school and learn about what words mean. Check out the definition of religion, again - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion - especially #6 in the definition.

Now, at least let me stop laughing about this one before you go on to the next one. ( Lol!)

Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet.

Religion takes an overview of life.

Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff.

If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live.

If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years.

You seem very confused about what the topic is.

I think that there is no problem to combine both things and live with them.

Actually this is not true. I assume you are talking about Evolution vs Creation or Christianity?

Evolution is actually not scientific, nor is Atheism or materialism, in fact, science has cast doubts and falsified the claims of these ideologies, they are in of themselves religious by nature. The only reason you may get the impression that science points in their direction is because those who do not want God have largely taken over the sciences and redefined it to mean basically naturalism, which is not what science is. Evolutionists have a long history of fraudulent claims, ignoring evidence, even fabricating evidence, and being extremely bias and often using bad science. And in fact a deep look at science will point towards the Biblical narrative.

Here's a cool TED Talk video about how scientists have egos and they like to name things, and in doing so, they create far more dinosaurs than there actually were - note, I don't know the guy, and can't vouch for other things he may teach, but this video is good and very revealing and cutting edge (literally, lol, you'll see):
-Jack Horner: Shape-shifting dinosaurs
https://youtu.be/kQa11RMCeSI

Also, in recent years, dinosaur bones have been being found with a number of fragile biological elements still intact! Despite poor attempts to explain this away, all of these elements in multiple dinosaur bones shows most probably that they are not millions of years old, but only thousands. Furthermore, I've heard that a group of Creationists found C14 in dino bones, coal, diamonds, natural gas, oil, etc, and although no form of radiometric dating has proven to be reliable (nor can they be based on the many assumptions involved, some of which are clearly not the case, such as a dependence on a closed system, and the faith that they started out without any daughter elements, etc), C14 is a limiting factor because of it's very short half-life, also proving that these things can't be millions or billions of years old. PS, You'd be surprised how much evidence there is for a global flood by the way, contact me (see at the bottom) and we can talk more about it.

I may also add that human artifacts have been found in coal, which evolutionists say formed before man (when it was actually formed during the flood), and there are a number of OOPARTS (Out Of Place Artifacts) that poke holes up and down the evolutionary theory (aside from the fact that it doesn't work scientifically speaking on multiple parts).

Here's some resources for you to dive into if you enjoy science, and know that God is true:

-Watch the movie: "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" to see how professors have lost their positions in universities for coming to the conclusion that there must be an Intelligent Designer.

-Michael Egnor: The Evidence Against Materialism
Neurosurgeon discusses how materialism is not supported by science, but rather hinders science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrpBPdtSI&feature=youtu.be

-James Tour: The Mystery of the Origin of Life
James Tour is a world renown synthetic organic chemist, and deals with nanotechnology, and a Messianic Jew. Type in James Tour in Youtube, and you'll see a host of videos by him, including a couple directly related to your question. This video is as well, but the title isn't as direct.
https://youtu.be/zU7Lww-sBPg

-The Kent Hovind Creation Seminar (5 of 7): The Dangers of Evolution
See the rest of his presentations as well. And don't listen to the naysayers, he's probably one of the most hated people among Atheists on the internet.
https://youtu.be/WN31FCcUlLk
-Age Of The Earth:
https://youtu.be/shyI-aQaXD0

-Spike Psarris: Science or Storytelling?
Spike Psarris worked on a military space program, entering as an Atheist, become a Creationist based on the evidence, and then later becoming a Christian after that.
https://youtu.be/gufYmnj0Gjw
-Spike Psarris: Dinosaurs and the Age of the Earth
https://youtu.be/REwIALE9P2g
-What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our Created Solar System)
See Volumes II (Our Created Stars and Galaxies) and III (Our Created Universe[?])
https://youtu.be/CzyQbOQ0dv0

-Origins: Our Created Moon
Here's a video about the moon from the show Origins hosted on the Cornerstone Network - watch all of their videos
https://youtu.be/Dk50bycmr_w

-Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1
Another former Atheist, watch the other parts, I forget how many there are:
https://youtu.be/uJGairhrPGc

-Check out the encyclopedia here and look up any topic you want:
https://evolutionfacts.com/

-Check out their magazines as well.
https://creation.com/articles

-Another great website
https://answersingenesis.org/answers/

-Genesis Apologetics
A number of good videos on science
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIs7q1bNOeAEd6tsPQBc6Cw


Science proves or at least points to the Biblical narrative being true, and not the opposite. Even though, if it appeared to, man is constantly changing his opinions and his interpretations of evidence, and scientific theories are changing all the time... God's word never changes. And the more and deeper we look into science (from the nano to the macro), the more it validates it, but our final authority should always be God and not man. Here are some additional resources on Biblical events that have been uncovered archeologically, and using other scientific methods. This is only a small sample, you can easily look up Biblical archaeology videos and find many names, places, and events that have been discovered, and keep in mind that most of the researchers in archaeology are secular, and many already believe the Bible isn't true, so they aren't looking for evidence for the Bible, and often glance right over it. Also, some of these discoveries were made by Ron Wyatt, who is also a highly hated individual on the web, a lot of jeolous people, but his work speaks for itself, check out his documentaries on Noah's Ark, (the real) Mt. Sinai, Sodom and Gomorah, Joseph in Egypt, the Red Sea Crossing point, etc. Mind you they are old school documentaries, but very thorough.

-The Star of Bethlehem: Documentary (2007)
This man shows you how the Star of Bethlehem was likely a series of astronomical events
https://youtu.be/u7YTE7WFB6Y
-The Star of Bethlehem: Documentary {Bonus Scene} Revealing of the Ram (2007)
https://youtu.be/AuUPBGMONlc  

-Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus
This is a newer documentary showing many of the discoveries about the Israelites in Egypt and why secular Egyptologist's timelines need to shift. He also has done another one called: The Moses Controversy, about an ancient language (probably ancient Hebrew) which could have been used to write the Torah.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/patternsofevidence
I'm assuming this is the right page, my computer was being a bit slow, so it didn't load all the way.

-Sodom and Gomorrah - Part 1 of 2 - by Michael Rood
Here's a video (part 1 of 2) by Michael Rood, doing a sort of intro to Sodom and Gomorrah, but you can look up Ron Wyatt's full documentary on the subject for yourself. Make sure to watch part two, or look up Ron's full-length documentary.
https://youtu.be/0QsgY115EFc

-The Truth of Noah's Ark - Shabbat Night Live - 04/19/19
This is the first of a three part series (see parts 5/3/19 and 5/10/19) on Noah's Ark. Again, if you want more details of previous discoveries and research, try to look up Ron Wyatt's full documentary on Noah's Ark. But these videos have even newer information, as Ron has past away, but the research has continued in the hands of others. You will notice the thumbnail of the videos if you look them up - that's electronic resistance scans showing what's beneath the surface that no one could see up until very recently with these 3D scans! On the surface it's obvious enough, especially after an Earthquake happened and moved the dirt from the structure, but these sub-surface scans have been evidence enough for the government to allow an archeological dig to commence (even though they officially recognized the site years ago based on Ron's research, but a dig has not een granted until now)! And no, it's not up on the ice-covered post-flood volcano that blew up much like Mt. Saint Helens (which showed us that layers can form very rapidly by the way), it's in the mountainS of Ararat.
https://youtu.be/nmK7G1IgkQI

-Forbidden footage of actual location of Red Sea Crossing & Mt. Sinai
Again, if you want more details look up the full-length documentaries or documentary clips from Ron Wyatt's work. The Red Sea Crossing point comes at the end of the exact path the Bible describes. There is fused sand and rock near the beach head crossing point (God appeared as a pillar of fire to protect them), there is an underwater landbridge a few hundred feet deep, but where the depths drop off to over a thousand feet on either side. Along this underwater landbridge is what appears to be strewn wreckage covered in coral, where wheels, axels, etc, can be seen. If I'm not mistaken, they've identified 4, 6, and 8 spoked chariot wheels, which were only all in use at one time - when the Hebrews were in Egypt, and Ron found a gold chariot wheel - like a gold covering (still there today apparently). Either side of the crossing point had pillars erected by king Soloman, commemorating the location, and if you continue the journey, using the Bible as a road map on the Sinai side, you will eventually get to the real Mt. Sinai. This has a huge alter made of bolders with Egyptian hieroglyphics of Egyptian cow and goat gods (remember the Golden calf?), I think it has ancient paleo Hebrew (don't remember exactly though), it has sandal prints chiseled into rocks (wherever the sandals of your feet go, that land shall be yours), it has a cave that's described in the Bible, and the top of the mountain is blackened - it's not a volcano - while the rest of the landscape is tan/red desert color. I also seem to remember hearing that some of those blackened rocks have been glassified, and if you turn them over, they're the same color as the rest of the landscape on the bottom (God came down as a fire). The area has been fenced off by the government.
https://youtu.be/8y-uiccIiSY

-How Did Jericho Fall?
Jericho (among other cities that were taken) has been found, and unlike what you may have heard, it fits exactly with the Biblical description AND the Biblical timeframe. See how one archaeologist messed it up for many others by ignoring evidence and other's work.
https://youtu.be/JdyE7-aiVkY


-Answering Muslims: Authorship and Dating of the Gospels, Intro
See this guy's series on the authorship and dating of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. This is an intro.
https://youtu.be/fq-FIIoXWLc

-And this scholarly article:
http://www.academia.edu/9269890/Early_Church_Fathers_on_the_Authorship_of_the_NT_Gospels

On miracles, here's some scholarly approaches:
-Lee Strobel: The Case for Miracles
Also the man who does "The Case For Christ"
https://youtu.be/y3VSIWHZtOI

-2 Volume scholarly work: "Miracles: The Credibility Of The New Testament Accounts" by Craig Keener.

-Finally, the Shroud of Turin, you'll hear that it's been debunked through carbon dating, that is not true, aside from fundamental flaws in carbon dating, the dating itself was done on a piece of newer patchwork after the Shroud had survived a fire. Here's what the Shroud is: it's a linen cloth with a special weave and the exact dimensions of a 1st Century Jewish burial cloth. It contains the faint image of a scourged and crucified man (with pre and post-mortem blood stains), made up of slightly different shades of color. BUT this image is actually a photo negative. Meaning that when you take a photo negative of the object, you actually get more details, and it you'll get a black background, and a glowing face. Not only so, but they've found that this flat ancient artifact (the most scientifically studied artifact in the world) has 3D information, which can only be read with special equipment (and from it they've been able to make full body 3D model). Many other discoveries have been made, such as that it contains pollen from plants native to Israel, invisible chemical stains showing a death certificate, coins on the eyes and an oval plaque over the throat reading something to the effect of "The Lamb", both of which were not visible without further investigation. The discoloration which causes the image is on the very tips of the fibrils that make up the threads of the fabric, it's very fragile, and not the result of scorching, paint, or dye. It has been said that in order to recreate it exactly, it would take a flash of ultraviolet(?) light, the speed of the flash of which, and the power intensity of which we cannot match with today's laser technology. Another scientist said that in order to get the image that is on the cloth, both sides of it would have needed to have been stretched tight and flat, and the body levitating in between them at the moment the image was made, she called it a singularity event.

I've got some links to this somewhere, as long as many other links and resources for the topics above. Please feel free to contact me at: [email protected] and hopefully I'll see your email and get back to you


Go and read 2 Peter 3, and remember that Paul also warned of "science falsely so called". There is nothing new under the sun.


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You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)

I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.

Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.

Everyone loses a bit of brain power as they get older. If Hawking knew everything, he would have instructed some people in the way to fix his physical/mental problems. In other words, Hawking didn't know enough to make a truthful statement like that... if indeed his book plainly says such. And either he was intentionally lying, was into a non-God religion, or was losing his brain power with age. Those who believe him are like him.

Science has some of the answers. But religion has more, better, and more important ones. Science theory which is believed to be factual, but which could be changed on a moment's notice with new findings, is a religion, just like any other religion. Why? Because of perception. It's perception that makes all the religions to be believed, even the science religions.

''But religion has some of the answers.'' Just because it's written there it doesn't mean it has 'answers'. It has statements, like god made the universe, it has 0 answers as of how. Just like any other book which can contain literally anything, are those answers too?

 'Stephen Hawking's Final Book Says There's 'No Possibility' of God in Our Universe'

So science doesn't know enough to have figured anything out about things outside the universe, right? But religion has some of the answers. All you are saying is that science is smarter than religion, but it obviously isn't. It's simply smart in a different way.

Even Hawking agrees that something outside the universe created it.

You are the retard who claims to have insight on that, are you this stupid to insult yourself without even knowing? Who is the idiot who claims to know it was god and it was 'outside the universe'? Huh? Isn't that you? You keep claiming 'outside the universe' is something and yet there is 0 scientific evidence for that, you are a hoax.

If you think that you have some special insight into the way that anything worked before the universe was created, or the way anything works outside of the universe right now, let's hear it. And show us the reason why it wouldn't fall into the class of religion, but might be more like science.

We don't even know that the concept of creation existed outside of the creation of the universe, and the creations of things within the universe.

1. Religious/philosophical talk. We don't know that we didn't exist "soul-wise"/spiritually before conception. Science might even be able to prove we did, someday.

2. The comparison we use is our capabilities. Compared with what each one of us can know and do, the universe is extremely complex. We know this because even our combined efforts are barely scratching the surface of what there is to know and manipulate.

3. Mass is, at its base, a manifestation of energy. Matter can be changed into a different energy form that doesn't include matter any longer. But energy can never be changed into matter without including its energy form, as well. Your info is old science.

If the universe came from nothing, then that which we perceive as nothing has far more of what we would call intelligence and capability than the universe. Why? Because within the universe, it takes greater intelligence and capability to make a thing than the thing has.

4. Theory of Relativity is fact in a flawed way. It is incomplete, even though aspects of it work.

5. Your questions about God show that you don't believe he would be a skydaddy. But, our minds are set in thinking ways in which the universe allows us to think. There is no way to comprehend what something outside/not-part-of-the-universe would think, or even if Its thinking could be considered to be thinking regarding the ways we think.

Before he died, Stephen Hawking indicated that there was what I will call a "non-thing" that "existed" before BB.

''If I as an intelligent human species demand that for my intelligence and this creation, there should be a creator, then God who's far more intelligent according to religion, must also demand a creator. '' Exactly but yet badecker uses special pleading to say NOPE, god doesn't need a creator because I say so.

1) you are correct that comprehending "nothing" is hard. But nature or universe or whatever was there before universe doesn't care if we can comprehend it or not.

This is when I believe in the "everything doesn't exist until observed" theory.

The only way we can comprehend "nothing" is by comprehending what and how we felt before taking birth. We didn't exist. Hence, it was "nothing" for us. All of a sudden we took birth and became conscious. Our consciousness came out from "nothing".

2) life and universe is neither simple nor complex. Simple and complex are comparative term. You need something outside of universe to compare it to. Life and universe are there what it is. Hence, we just can't say they are complex just because we can't comprehend it.

3) Matter is mass and it is energy. And they existed eternally. They will continue to exist eternally. Unless the bigbang was right. Then they came out from nothing. They will cease to nothingness or just stay eternally.

Matter and anti matter is being created and annihilated all time in space everywhere ....

4) I was not talking about blackholes in the first place at all..... I was referring black hole with the theory of relativity for better understanding. Doesn't matter what a black hole looks like, theory of relativity is very real, speed of light is constant and times varies for different velocities and objects. They are facts.

5) God is a skydaddy who doesn't exist. What was he doing before creation? Chilling alone in darkness? Thinking whether to create or not? Didn't he question himself why he was there in the first place? He's in a self prison. He can't die. He can't escape. Eternal boring. Hence decided to create? Lol....

If I as an intelligent human species demand that for my intelligence and this creation, there should be a creator, then God who's far more intelligent according to religion, must also demand a creator.

1. You are trying way too hard to paint God out of the picture. - We can easily understand "nothing." Simple people wave their hand through the air, and call it nothing. Scientists call the emptiness of some parts of outer space, "nothing." But a "nothing" that is absence of even outer space is the real nothing, but we can't comprehend it because such would be too different. The fact that BB Theory contradicts itself, throws everything that BB was supposed to be right back into the lap of God.

2. Life and the universe are not simple. They are extremely complex and complicated. Ask any serious scientist. The proof of the complexity lies in the fact that if life were simple, we would have figured out how to live for 10,000 years by now. But we still can't guarantee even 100 years.

3. All matter is energy when you get right down to it. We barely understand anything about the aether which gives birth to the energy that makes up the matter.

4. Anybody can call a black hole whatever he wants. And scientists can make up all kinds of theories about what a black hole is. Standard black hole theory doesn't fit Euclidean Geometry that we use every day. Since nobody has gone out to visit a black hole, let's stick with what we know, not some silly theory that doesn't match anything.

5. I don't believe that there is a sky daddy. God is way more powerful than a sky daddy could ever think of being.