Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 109. (Read 845809 times)

Or could it be god is crazy enough where he created his own universe much as a person who suffer schizophrenia who created his own world full of characters of his own as well which is why there are tons of gods, benevolent gods so they say.

There is no doubt that a modern human is far far more intelligent than a homo habilis, for example. If god made the universe he had to be outside it otherwise he couldn't have made it. You can't be part of the universe and then create the universe because that would mean the universe was already created, it's pretty simple logic.

That's understandable. People of the past saw it.


A pool shark might be able to tap the cue ball in just the right way so that it hits a second ball which hits a third ball which hits a fourth ball which knocks a designated fifth ball into a designated pocket. But the pool shark can't do this with atoms, or electrons or protons or neutrons.

God does it with countless electrons, countless protons, countless neutrons, countless photons, and every other particle and wave in the universe, to produce complexity, like intelligence and emotion, which come into being in multitudes of people, many years (13-14 billion if you are a standard scientist) after initially tapping these particles into motion. The point? Your puny thinking can't come close to guessing what God can and can't do... if He can be in the universe or outside of it or not.


Intelligence is complexity. Entropy is breaking complexity/intelligence down. Our intelligence is decreasing. All you have to do is read, for example, Blackstone's Commentaries to see that our intelligence is weaker. Or try Josephus, or any of the ancient scholars.



The intelligence you are talking about is not individual intelligence. Rather, it is cumulative intelligence based on recorded findings by many people. Individual intelligence is decreasing.

However, such modern intelligence is destroying the world. At least people of the past were intelligent enough to not join their intelligence like we have, so that they started to destroy the world like we are doing.

I still don't see how entropy shows there was greater intelligence in the past. First of all even if god existed, he would be outside the universe meaning he is not part of the universe, even if he was extremely intelligent intelligent it wouldn't matter because he is not a part of the universe. Our intelligence is by far increasing, I would talk about millions of years ago but you don't believe we have existed for so long so I will just limit to a few thousands of years ago. The difference between people now and then is huge, we are more intelligent mostly because of all the knowledge we have and have access to. In any case our intelligence is definitely not decreasing.

Entity is just another word for ghost.  Ghosts don't exist. 

Exorcism. Prayers works to cast off evil spirits from someone. If prayers work, then God must be true. Unless you dont believe that people can be possessed with evil entities.

"We" meaning Flattards, right?

I understand exactly what a god is.  It's an idea. 

There is scientific proof and natural proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Since God reveals Himself to all of us through science and simple observation of the universe and nature, but you constantly would rather resist God than accept the proof, there comes a time when it is beneficial to let you go on in your way, and die in your self-induced ignorance.

Scientific proof for the existence of God:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

God will be the missing answer from a scientific standpoint, at least until science becomes countless times more capable than it is today. That's why revelation from God is necessary.

We can't understand God. But He understands us completely, because He made us. So, He is able to reveal Himself to us. He has done this in the Bible.

At least Astargath attempts to show how God science is wrong from a scientific standpoint. You barely understand anything.

Hey, thanks for giving me orders to stop talking about entropy. LOL!

The universe is a system.

Entropy absolutely DOES show that there was greater intelligence in the past. Only in these times of science have we attempted to reject the idea of God. Yet we can go through nature and view the cause and effect, and the complexity... all of which shout "God." This shows that our intelligence is decreasing, and science is becoming a god in God's place... but only in our atrophied minds.

Entropy is one of your best friends! LOL.

A scientist doesn't simply approach something from a single point of view. He asks his questions with the expectation that the answer could be anything.

If a dog has babies, they are dogs. If a duck has babies, they are ducks. If people have babies, they are people. Like begets like.

Where does intelligence and emotion come from? What is the start of everything. What caused it all to happen. Whatever the cause was, it had all these things within itself. Like begets like. We see nothing else in the universe.

Big bang as a theory doesn't have any explanation for how intelligence and emotion could emerge. All it says is that it did. If big bang happens to be real, even though we don't really have any proof that it is, then big bang is God. Why? Because the definition of God fits everything that big bang suggests, and a whole lot more.

Do you have any other answer to where things came from that is better than God?

That is absolutely correct. It is also correct for a human, at least from the viewpoint of another human.

In a simple way we feel the wind. We know that it is moving air. But without chemical analysis, we don't know that the air is made up of carbon, nitrogen and oxygen. So, we can't know what God is, except if He reveals Himself to us.

In nature, God has revealed Himself scientifically through cause and effect, entropy, and complexity, combined. In a simple way he has revealed Himself by the fact that nature exists. We have no other answer for how nature can exist except through a God-like Being.

God has been gracious enough to us that He has given us the Bible to reveal a great amount of information about Himself and why He made the universe to us. The simple answer is for His glory. The more complex answer is that we glorify Him even more when we see the complexity and love He shows us, through the body that He has given us, and the support of our life that He handles all day long. A far greater answer is that we glorify Him a lot more when we see the great salvation - Jesus salvation - He is providing for us even after we rejected Him and corrupted His universe.

If we don't praise and glorify Him, He doesn't really have any use for us. Since we reject Him and His purpose for making us if we don't glorify Him, He will ultimately reject us... even though He waits patiently a long time for us to change.

That would be fine, except for the idiots like Badecker who try to push their fairy tale on others.  :/

There is no evidence and no counterevidence, so it is up to everybody what to believe

Well we are also missing your scientific arguments for the proof of god and badecker seems to be silent again after my response to his bullshit, no surprise there.

Hey.... All of your sentences are logically wrong. Are you proud of yourself?

concept of inconceivability? oxymoron? If you conceive something its not an assumption? Oxymoron again. All religions are false in definition, they try to close the God in the box. That kind of behaviour can never end good. You always need a bigger box. Religions are the only reason that people laugh from faith, they do not laugh from God but from the silly box of the pharisee.

Secular god? Oxymoron again. You seem to like them.

You know what is missing here? Your arguments lol.

I dont thnk that god exists. There is no proof!