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Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 11:45:56 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 11:38:50 AM

That passage is the passage of the law that helps slave from the abuse... And you say I am deluded?

Torah is a law. And christ have said that law is to protect and not to punish needlessly. It should still be used as a protection law from abomination.

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2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

7th year and he/she is free. Its mostly slaves because of being heavy in debt. They had sold themselves.

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3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

If he is a volountary slave he can cease to be slave. So its more like a contract.

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4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

Children of the slaves are not slaves.

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5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

If slave would want to be with master, the master cannot throw him away.

If that is moraly evil to you...... I don't know what to say.... Its clearly is not evil.

First of all, there shouldn't be any slaves.

If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
Children of the slaves are not slaves.

Huh

It clearly says that that if the master gives the slave a wife then the wife and sons will be the master's slaves forever lmao and the slave can only get away by himself, abandoning his family. YES THATS FUCKING EVIL YOU RETARD.

If you think this passage is not helping people with a grave problems that have to ask for help others to help them you are just wicked.... Thats all I have to say.

Thats called slaves but if you could read with understanding and read that passage of slaves as workers, you would see thats amazing social security for workers.

You have a care for your children. Your children can have security in a wealthy family etc etc. Only the wicked people like you would think adopted children would be abused. If they would not want their children to be adopted they can always go and have their children somewhere else. Thats like a workers contract.

Especially the last paragraph. That master cannot throw a homeless guy to the street.

That kind of job security with another passages of fair pay for work in the Bible greatly surpass almost any job security laws we have today. Noone cares about the debters, homelessness joblessness. Here you have all things covered.

If that system of worker security surpases those of today, what can we say about how it was superiour to that times. It was wastly more moral then any other country at that time.

Could you stop using abusive language towards me?

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 11:38:50 AM

That passage is the passage of the law that helps slave from the abuse... And you say I am deluded?

Torah is a law. And christ have said that law is to protect and not to punish needlessly. It should still be used as a protection law from abomination.

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2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

7th year and he/she is free. Its mostly slaves because of being heavy in debt. They had sold themselves.

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3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

If he is a volountary slave he can cease to be slave. So its more like a contract.

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4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

Children of the slaves are not slaves.

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5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

If slave would want to be with master, the master cannot throw him away.

If that is moraly evil to you...... I don't know what to say.... Its clearly is not evil.

First of all, there shouldn't be any slaves.

If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
Children of the slaves are not slaves.

Huh

It clearly says that that if the master gives the slave a wife then the wife and sons will be the master's slaves forever lmao and the slave can only get away by himself, abandoning his family. YES THATS FUCKING EVIL YOU RETARD.

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That passage is the passage of the law that helps slave from the abuse... And you say I am deluded?

Torah is a law. And christ have said that law is to protect and not to punish needlessly. It should still be used as a protection law from abomination.

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2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

7th year and he/she is free. Its mostly slaves because of being heavy in debt. They had sold themselves.

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3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

If he is a volountary slave he can cease to be slave. So its more like a contract.

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4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

Children of the slaves are not slaves. Children belong to the master because he have to take care of them. In other words the master adopts the children. You might see this as loophole, but its not. Your heart is wicked. Noone who had raised children under his house knowing them from birth would not treat them other than his own children.

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5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

If slave would want to be with master, the master cannot throw him away.

If that is moraly evil to you...... I don't know what to say.... Its clearly is not evil.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 10:42:55 AM

Nobody is forcing you. But changing mind from time to time exercise the brain power.

So, will you change your mind and believe in evolution? Be careful - you'll never go back to the fairy tales.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 10:42:55 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 10:34:36 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

Lol. I am not brainwashed like you. It's not me that needs to change my thinking.

I refuse to believe in a god that would send me to hell for using the brain he gave me.

Nobody is forcing you. But changing mind from time to time exercise the brain power.

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Your book is evil. It allows slavery, rape, death for stupid reasons.

Thats absolutely wrong and not true. I suggest you read what it says about freeing slaves from bondage on numerous occasions and every 7 years. Rape - Izraelites were the only nation that penalized rape by death.... So saying that it had allowed it is such a extremely silly lie....... Death.... well.... yeah they had that a little bit too much, but just because it is in this book it does not mean its manual or instruction. Everyone has his own concience and deals with his maker. Izraelites had their issue with pissed moses as Jesus had said.

The bible literally has a manual of what to do with your slave, wtf are you talking about, how can you be this deluded? If the male slave had been given a wife and had children with her, they would remain his master's property. They could only stay with their family by becoming permanent slaves (Exodus 21:2-5) Basically god made a loop to be able to have your slave forever. Amazing book.

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Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 10:34:36 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

Lol. I am not brainwashed like you. It's not me that needs to change my thinking.

I refuse to believe in a god that would send me to hell for using the brain he gave me.

Nobody is forcing you. But changing mind from time to time exercise the brain power.

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Your book is evil. It allows slavery, rape, death for stupid reasons.

Thats absolutely wrong and not true. I suggest you read what it says about freeing slaves from bondage on numerous occasions and every 7 years. Rape - Izraelites were the only nation that penalized rape by death.... So saying that it had allowed it is such a extremely silly lie....... Death.... well.... yeah they had that a little bit too much, but just because it is in this book it does not mean its manual or instruction. Everyone has his own concience and deals with his maker. Izraelites had their issue with pissed moses as Jesus had said.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

Lol. I am not brainwashed like you. It's not me that needs to change my thinking.

I refuse to believe in a god that would send me to hell for using the brain he gave me.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 25, 2017, 10:07:11 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 09:43:33 AM

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Quote from: Astargath on August 24, 2017, 08:25:25 AM

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

May God have mercy on you for saying what you have just said.

Sin is sin. Sin leads to destruction. None true christian can kill any homosexual. They sin, they need to repent from this sin and thats all. There is no sin that you could not be saved from.

No you probably cannot be a gay now. But who know? If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay.

Many scientific studies states most of us are bisexual from birth. If you reach some age you can not change your prefferences. They are like 25-33 of age.

Christ teaches us to have hope to be saved from sin. Its complicated issue. For sure its not good to say they are borned like that - thats not true.

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You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it, fear of the Lord due to threats? Not merciful.

And you terrorise me with your nonsense. How about that? Are you merciful? Leave me alone with that crap. I have nothing more to add. I answered all your doubts and all your claims. Back off.

Yea sin sin thats all you can say, you made it clear to everyone, you are a piece of shit who thinks gay people should die. ''If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay. '' So If im raped as a teenager and then I become gay I deserve to die and be tortured for eternity, what a merciful god you have there mate. Seems totally fair to me. Are you fucking retarded?

Well, of course, gays should die. If they weren't supposed to die, they wouldn't. Everybody dies. Why should gay people be any different?

What? Do you think all your complaining against God will make Him favor you more? He can't favor you more. After all, what more can He do than to send His Son Jesus to die on the cross for your sins? I mean, He died for you (in His Son). What more can He do.

If you won't change your ways turn to Him, you should die, and all your anti-God gay-friends, as well.

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A lot of people died, there are millions of war heroes that died for their country and for the world, so what? How is it that amazing that god would ''die'' since he didnt' really die because he resurrected there was never any danger, that makes no sense. You and przemax are bad people, you think being gay is a sin LOL, it just shows how fried your brains are that you would follow a book no matter what it says. Your book is evil. It allows slavery, rape, death for stupid reasons.

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If you won't change your ways turn to Him, you should die, and all your anti-God gay-friends, as well.

How do you know that? God grace could be limitless. But yes they could use a little shaming to not feel so self sufficient and self important.

The Bible talks about the one unforgivable sin... the sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin is essentially locked-in unbelief in Jesus salvation.

It is a shame, and too bad, that some people should be punished. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished.

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I was under impression that it is said about the blasphemy. In my opinion some trinitary doctrines are such a thing. But take my words with a grain of salt. I could be wrong.

For example a blasphemy like saying a Bible is evil... So maybe you are right about the death here.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 10:18:19 AM

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If you won't change your ways turn to Him, you should die, and all your anti-God gay-friends, as well.

How do you know that? God grace could be limitless. But yes they could use a little shaming to not feel so self sufficient and self important.

The Bible talks about the one unforgivable sin... the sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin is essentially locked-in unbelief in Jesus salvation.

It is a shame, and too bad, that some people should be punished. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished.

Cool

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If you won't change your ways turn to Him, you should die, and all your anti-God gay-friends, as well.

How do you know that? God grace could be limitless. But yes they could use a little shaming to not feel so self sufficient and self important.

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Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 09:43:33 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 07:01:02 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 06:32:52 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 02:17:42 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 24, 2017, 08:25:25 AM

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

May God have mercy on you for saying what you have just said.

Sin is sin. Sin leads to destruction. None true christian can kill any homosexual. They sin, they need to repent from this sin and thats all. There is no sin that you could not be saved from.

No you probably cannot be a gay now. But who know? If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay.

Many scientific studies states most of us are bisexual from birth. If you reach some age you can not change your prefferences. They are like 25-33 of age.

Christ teaches us to have hope to be saved from sin. Its complicated issue. For sure its not good to say they are borned like that - thats not true.

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You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it, fear of the Lord due to threats? Not merciful.

And you terrorise me with your nonsense. How about that? Are you merciful? Leave me alone with that crap. I have nothing more to add. I answered all your doubts and all your claims. Back off.

Yea sin sin thats all you can say, you made it clear to everyone, you are a piece of shit who thinks gay people should die. ''If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay. '' So If im raped as a teenager and then I become gay I deserve to die and be tortured for eternity, what a merciful god you have there mate. Seems totally fair to me. Are you fucking retarded?

Well, of course, gays should die. If they weren't supposed to die, they wouldn't. Everybody dies. Why should gay people be any different?

What? Do you think all your complaining against God will make Him favor you more? He can't favor you more. After all, what more can He do than to send His Son Jesus to die on the cross for your sins? I mean, He died for you (in His Son). What more can He do.

If you won't change your ways turn to Him, you should die, and all your anti-God gay-friends, as well.

Cool

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Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 09:43:33 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 07:01:02 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 06:32:52 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 02:17:42 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 24, 2017, 08:25:25 AM

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

May God have mercy on you for saying what you have just said.

Sin is sin. Sin leads to destruction. None true christian can kill any homosexual. They sin, they need to repent from this sin and thats all. There is no sin that you could not be saved from.

No you probably cannot be a gay now. But who know? If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay.

Many scientific studies states most of us are bisexual from birth. If you reach some age you can not change your prefferences. They are like 25-33 of age.

Christ teaches us to have hope to be saved from sin. Its complicated issue. For sure its not good to say they are borned like that - thats not true.

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You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it, fear of the Lord due to threats? Not merciful.

And you terrorise me with your nonsense. How about that? Are you merciful? Leave me alone with that crap. I have nothing more to add. I answered all your doubts and all your claims. Back off.

Yea sin sin thats all you can say, you made it clear to everyone, you are a piece of shit who thinks gay people should die. ''If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay. '' So If im raped as a teenager and then I become gay I deserve to die and be tortured for eternity, what a merciful god you have there mate. Seems totally fair to me. Are you fucking retarded?

Have I said that they should die? Or should they fry in hell? Why do you lie about it. I have said homosexuality is mockery and God will not be mocked. We all suffer. We all have our sins. All of them can be forgiven. And you are lying and turning it absolutely upside down.

God does not want anyone to be damned. Do not lie about it. Why do you lie? Your life is a gift. Some people just proved they are not grateful for this gift, they will cease to exist.

I do not believe in eternal hell personaly. The scripture is not consistant with that. The most logical answer is just destruction and no tortures, and if those tortures would be it because of the demons consuming the soul by fire, but thats in my opinion is not eternal.

Please do not put my words on its head... Thats completly opposite what you say. God want to save us. He just see our future.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 07:01:02 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 06:32:52 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 02:17:42 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 24, 2017, 08:25:25 AM

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

May God have mercy on you for saying what you have just said.

Sin is sin. Sin leads to destruction. None true christian can kill any homosexual. They sin, they need to repent from this sin and thats all. There is no sin that you could not be saved from.

No you probably cannot be a gay now. But who know? If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay.

Many scientific studies states most of us are bisexual from birth. If you reach some age you can not change your prefferences. They are like 25-33 of age.

Christ teaches us to have hope to be saved from sin. Its complicated issue. For sure its not good to say they are borned like that - thats not true.

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You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it, fear of the Lord due to threats? Not merciful.

And you terrorise me with your nonsense. How about that? Are you merciful? Leave me alone with that crap. I have nothing more to add. I answered all your doubts and all your claims. Back off.

Yea sin sin thats all you can say, you made it clear to everyone, you are a piece of shit who thinks gay people should die. ''If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay. '' So If im raped as a teenager and then I become gay I deserve to die and be tortured for eternity, what a merciful god you have there mate. Seems totally fair to me. Are you fucking retarded?

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^^^ Relax. If qwik2learn was serious about the truth of his religion, he would have talked to my points rather than all around them. As it is, he has chosen the more difficult method for making money from religion.

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Quote from: qwik2learn on August 25, 2017, 07:13:32 AM

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Quote from: Przemax on August 24, 2017, 04:15:13 PM

. All we can hope is mercy.

Oh the horror, everything ended up good. What a horror. That was terrible i felt cold on my throat. Oh this pain... Are you not too much teatrical with all this "torture"?

Abraham is a living proof that God have mercy on those, that deeply fear him.

You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it. Isaac suffered at the hands of YHWH and your excuse is that YHWH is beyond blame because his justice is so mysterious to the human heart.

I am having a discussion, you are being emotional and ignoring the critique of your deeply flawed arguments. I am not the only one claiming that there is evil in the Bible, it is a legitimate concern for many believers. My argument about the moral law comes from a Christian journal. The argument that Paul invented Christianity is validated by investigating the historic record, make sure you check out the book by Zuesse.

No I am not being emotional. Learn how to read. All your accusation that it was torture is false. It was a consent. Isaac consented, Abraham consented and God consented. I really fail to see it as a horror story. And you still call it wrongly that it was torture. Do you have some good dictionary?

Torture:

1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2.
a method of inflicting such pain.
3.
Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4.
extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.
a cause of severe pain or anguish.

What pain I ask you? It was consent. Isaac agreed.

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Isaac suffered at the hands of YHWH and your excuse is that YHWH is beyond blame because his justice is so mysterious to the human heart.

I have never said that. You talk to yourself. 0% of the Bible is mystical. 100% is fully understandable. You mistake Babylonian mystery religion with the one God religion.

P.S Leave me alone. Thats all. Believe in your idols if you wish I do not care.

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check out the book by Zuesse.

I will read what I want, and when I want. I know all that claims and doubts that you had and you answered with this Zuess guy. I know its French grand orient lodge masonry claim that Paul is more important than christ. My doubts was already answered. You can read all how to go about the doubts in this thread.

If you want to be led by a french grand orient lodge its your choice. Just be aware that all masonry are worshiping lucifer.

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Quote from: qwik2learn on August 25, 2017, 06:57:42 AM

Quote from: Przemax on August 24, 2017, 04:15:13 PM

. All we can hope is mercy.

Oh the horror, everything ended up good. What a horror. That was terrible i felt cold on my throat. Oh this pain... Are you not too much teatrical with all this "torture"?

Abraham is a living proof that God have mercy on those, that deeply fear him.

You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it. Isaac suffered at the hands of YHWH and your excuse is that YHWH is beyond blame because his justice is so mysterious to the human heart.

I am having a discussion, you are being emotional and ignoring the critique of your deeply flawed arguments. I am not the only one claiming that there is evil in the Bible, it is a legitimate concern for many believers. My argument about the moral law comes from a Christian journal. The argument that Paul invented Christianity is validated by investigating the historic record, make sure you check out the book by Zuesse.

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Quote from: Astargath on August 25, 2017, 06:32:52 AM

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God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

May God have mercy on you for saying what you have just said.

Sin is sin. Sin leads to destruction. None true christian can kill any homosexual. They sin, they need to repent from this sin and thats all. There is no sin that you could not be saved from.

No you probably cannot be a gay now. But who know? If you would be raped as a teenager you would have a lot more chances to become gay.

Many scientific studies states most of us are bisexual from birth. If you reach some age you can not change your prefferences. They are like 25-33 of age.

Christ teaches us to have hope to be saved from sin. Its complicated issue. For sure its not good to say they are borned like that - thats not true.

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You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it, fear of the Lord due to threats? Not merciful.

And you terrorise me with your nonsense. How about that? Are you merciful? Leave me alone with that crap. I have nothing more to add. I answered all your doubts and all your claims. Back off.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 24, 2017, 04:15:13 PM

. All we can hope is mercy.

Oh the horror, everything ended up good. What a horror. That was terrible i felt cold on my throat. Oh this pain... Are you not too much teatrical with all this "torture"?

Abraham is a living proof that God have mercy on those, that deeply fear him.

You object to my word choice, but I will say it again: YHWH terrorized Isaac, it is a story about child abuse, Isaac knew he was seconds from death. Death threats backed up by action is torture and abuse, YHWH did not merely order mercy, the story is not about mercy at all and there is no justice in it. Isaac suffered at the hands of YHWH and your excuse is that YHWH is beyond blame because his justice is so mysterious to the human heart.

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Quote from: Przemax on August 25, 2017, 04:02:37 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 25, 2017, 02:17:42 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 24, 2017, 08:25:25 AM

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

That's an excellent point. A god allows people to be gay, then sends them to hell for it?

That's similar to what I tell my religious acquaintances when they say I am going to hell for not believing...

Why would your god give me a brain then punish me for using it?

Wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions does not make right conclusions. You conclude that its God, that made homosexuality. Why do you think so? Becuase some people suggest someone is born that way? Thats just some fallable man conclusion about homosexuality. Does a baby have sexual prefferences? Can a baby be pedophile or zoofile? Does baby ever wanted to be anal fucked? Our sexuality is developed not born with, many evidence suggest that is the case.

Why do you say its creepy if someone is necrophile and that its perfectly ok if someone is homosexual? And you say you use brain? Its the same reason, we think its just wrong and not how it should be.

What do you mean by allowing something to be. You seem to wrongly suggest that if what ever man do God is responsible for it. You cannot use brain and use that kind of stupid assumptions.

Its like saying why did you allowed me to eat your brain. Well..... You could not do anything could you, because you were dead by that time? Maybe God leave to us - free will, and judge us later?

Maybe you are not using your brain to full extend and just agree on some stupid self contradictory shit, thats why it does not make sense to you.

What kind of logic is that - everything bad - God did it. Everything good - I did it. What kind of intelligent man can have such a logic. You should revise your brain cappacity .... really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

BTW those who tell you that you are going to hell are trespassing the Jesus comandment not to do that. So they are hipocrites.

Can you be gay if you want to? Because I can't. I can't change my sexual preference and yes God is responsible for everything since he created us and he knows what's going to happen. I might say it's creepy for someone to be a necrophile but I wouldn't kill him just like I wouldn't kill a homosexual. Who cares? Even if homosexuals chose to be homosexuals how does that make it right for a god to kill them? Is that the all good and benevolent god that you are talking about or is he just an evil retard? My morals are certainly superior than your god. I wouldn't kill people for picking up sticks or having gay sex. Why would I worship your god even if he existed?

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