Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 140. (Read 845582 times)

I don't see how that makes you believe only in the bible. The teachings from the bible are different from the quran which are also different from the teachings of greek gods and so on and so on. I still don't see how you know which one is the real one. I also don't see how you know there is actually any god at all.

''There is only one God. Its Jesus doctrine. No trinity. Many christians get it wrong. '' How do you know?

''That does not make sense. How do you know you are not going to heaven. You must ask yourself. Do you deserve mercy when you have none in your hearth?'' I don't but god should according to the description in the bible, he knows everything, therefore he already knows who is going to heaven and who is not therefore earth is a waste of time therefore your god is either stupid or doesn't exist.

He doesn't. Period.


That does not make sense. How do you know you are not going to heaven? Im not saying you are. Im not even saying Im. I just want to notice how silly talk that is.


Thats why eve had eaten an apple. Same old reason. Excuses excuses excuses.


There is only one God. Its Jesus doctrine. No trinity. Many christians get it wrong.

If this God does the same as our God its not made by man. If god is hipocritical little bastard its only an idol. Simple as that.


Some smart muslims think the one God is the same God. I agree there is one God. Jewish agree there is one God. Sikh agree there is one God. Every smart person including Jesus would not say muslim for 100% does not know who God might be. Some have only barely saw him and some see a lot of his grace. Its all mixed with various of stupid traditions, human evil, human laws, weaknesses etc etc.

I like to listen to some muslin immams. They have a lot of smart things to say.

Why would god create people all the time if he only wants some of them to go to heaven? He could just create only the people he wants to go to heaven and not create the earth. I felt God was good and his mercy was good when I was a christian. It just happened that I was indoctrinated that way and then I realized there is no real evidence, proof, reason, whatever you want to call it to believe in him. There is no reason to believe in your god than to believe in allah, zeus or odin. It's a pile of shit for the other few billion of religious people that think their religion is the real one. You see, you get nowhere by just believing in something with faith.

Make a distinction. Its all pile of shit FOR YOU. Maybe you were not on a Jesus path of mercy. God had said you will not find God if you were not on a path of mercy. You simply can not understand that book, because of that simple reason.

If you do not feel mercy is good, why would you get any? That is so ingenious and smart and antihipocritical that one stand in awe bracing wisdom of this book.

Well I was a christian long ago, I have read the bible and I realized that it was a pile of shit. Even if it made total sense it still doesn't provide anything to make me believe in God. I could very well just read other religious books and find those even more convincing however that still doesn't mean what they are saying is the truth therefore there is no point in believing any of it.

Why take it seriously? Its a book to help us be wise and understand what is God. All of those judgmentshave two way street. Judgment was not necessary. God was leaving the option of mercy. Stupid Izraelites was not aware of that.

Jesus had come to tell us that. You all just get it wrong. They all forget what is mercy. Just that.

Its all a pedagogical tool. If you want you can understand if you do not you will not. Simple as that. I cannot make you want to understand. Its all there. I have not taken it from the black hole or from my head. Its all written for all to see and understand.

Fool will be fool. Watch the video I gave.

Then why take the bible seriously? If it has commands by god that force you to kill other people? That proves to me the bible is not inspired by a god, just humans and their ignorant minds back in the day. There is no point in believing anything it's said in the bible.

No. I don't think he deserves death. Neither I think God does as Jesus had clarified. Learn how to read - I said Jesus said they were not listening to Moses, they were listening to themselves. That clear out the sittuation.

I have said that Bible is not a manual taking Jesus words into account.

That answer all the moral doubts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0hAPnh8CY

''Yes homosexuals deserves punishment - they mock God'' Makes no sense since god allowed homosexuals to exist. You think they deserve to die because of that? You think people deserve to die because they are working on the sabbath? If you do you are just an evil person.

No. I clearly make sense. Its you who makes unjustifiably simplify extremely complex matters, and you make simple sittuation complex. I presented all you need to know. He could clearly show his justice and all powerfulness - BAM ALL GONE. Or make everyone mindless drones with no free will. Thats what you want? He is the God of mercy as well - that makes things more complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0hAPnh8CY That should answer all your doubts.

Yes homosexuals deserves punishment - they mock God. Yet he might have mercy on them if he please to. Just because someone deserves punishment does not mean he does not deserve mercy. Actualy we all deserve a severe punishment in the eyes of the Lord. Those who think they can go on a rampage killing homos are hyporcites.

If you do not like it. Fine. Noone is forcing you to believe in anything. I made perfect sense - you fail to see it.

I like how you try to go around and avoid saying that your god is evil. ''Even God can't make people change their hearts in one second, it takes time.'' He surely can if he is all powerful and taking in consideration that he created basically everything instantly. I guess he can create a whole universe but can't change people hearts, makes sense. God cannot be pissed. God cannot be angry. God would have no human emotions. You religious people don't understand that. You describe him as all powerful, all knowing and then proceed to say he failed, he was angry, he was sad. Those concepts cannot apply to a god with those descriptions. What does god get angry about? He can change anything and he knows anything that will happen. Imagine I'm god and I know my mom will die in the next hour because a tree falls on her. I have the ability to change that. You are saying that God lets that happen and then gets angry, how does that make any sense? Your whole thing makes no sense and you can't see it.

''Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.''

God is also homophobic and retarded. He allowed people to be sexually attracted by other people of the same sex yet he punishes it with death? Wake up bro, your book is stupid.

Ok. Thats the only passage that I do not understand. From the whole book. The only answer I could have to that is that stoning was practiced in Egypt and they were taken from Egypt, had been culturaly egyptians and such. For dealing with anything unclean there was a punishment of stoning. So its purely human made tradition from Babylon.

You need to know how culturally egyptian Izraelis were, and how strong it was in their memory. They had made a graven image of a goddess of the heaven, just because God was God of the heaven and he was against the pharao who they thought is a God Ra. That egyptian goddess was as well an enemy of Ra. So they were fully culturally egyptians. Thats actually a very sad story that people are so easily influenced by idols. They were doing what they knew instead of listening to God.

Jesus had explained that perfectly in John 5:45

"How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me"

It all seems logic that God tried to make Izraelites apart from egyptian culture. He had made unclean animals those that were clean in egypt and vice versa. He had tried to build a new nation from a scratch. Even God can't make people change their hearts in one second, it takes time.

Just because you do not understand it fully does not mean it does not make sense. It makes sense from a point of view of BABYLONIAN religion, that God was pissed that Izraelites do not want to abandon.

Babylonian religions are Satans religion that God wanted to weed out. Well... he failed to do so completly because of a free will of most of Izrealites. They abandoned him.

The Bible scholars are confused about when the moses speaks and when he is called a lord and when he calls himself a lord or if he calls a crowd a lord. So it creates a mix of human made traditions with God commandments that Pharisee has spawn from.

The Bible is a tragedy, like life is a tragedy, its not a manual or instuctrion. There is a manual 10 commandments and Christ commandments, other than that the Bible is a tragedy how a human would rather want idol than a living God. Its very very very sad story, and definatly not a manual.

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/

God himself commanded people to kill other people for various reasons. Some of them are pretty retarded reasons like killing a man because he was working on the sabbath. God himself told him that.

Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. - Numbers 15: 32-36

This verse alone proves that God is not all knowing, not all good. Such a brutal death just because the man was gathering some wood. How does anyone read the bible and think, hmmm yea, this makes sense.

Oh another person that does not know how to use the word prove. As I have said to our atheistic friend. You cannot prove that something exist with a single argument. What is wrong with you people? Too much pseudo science documentaries or what? Who taught you that? Instead of prove you should use argument, or that something is argumented here (showing source) or stating the argument. Once you have not done that your statement is not even argumented. You just showed - there somewhere over there, there is a truth. The truth is out there. Who are you? Fox Moulder from x-files or what?

Arthur Conan Doyle (The author of Sherlock Holmes) has a nice definition of truth: "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

In other words proving is a work of elimination not being convinced by someone. Science works precisely that way - it eliminates. You have not eliminated the validity of the Bible at its current form so you have not proven your point. You have not stated that its impossible.

I stated thats its near impossible to forge a whole stories in once known book, if that book have millions of people, that know it verbatim. I had not read your "revelations", so I cannot be 100% sure its impossible. But given all the circumstances I would guess its 0.0000001% probable that it could be the case. It would be hard to forge such a lie, but what would be more hard to do is to convince all christianity that its the case, that some secret organisation knew of it all along but had allowed for a forgery because of some silly reasons.

You would not be a Sherlock thats for sure. At best you could be Dr. Watson.

One fragment from your site:


None of that is justified in the Bible. War is not a murder ok? Rape was punished by death, its bad translation that translated volontary sex before marriage as rape. Pillage was punished by death. Plunder the same. Slavery was max 7 years alowed - you could say its a job contract (nowhere else was at that time such a good law for slaves). Child abuse is strongly condemned.

Just because at some times God tolerate evil does not mean he perpetaute it. The blood is on the perpetuator - the one who draws the sword die by the sword. If thats not a justice I do not know what is. Yes there is a mercy as well, but there is no conflict with those. Mercy is for someone who repent, and justice to show he must repent. Sometimes people just never repent anything like D. Trump. So it would be hard to have mercy on him. Maybe God has... I could not have for someone who does not repent.

Jesus had said to have mercy on everybody... because he is working on their repentance. And a true believers will believe that it will be the case. But the repentance or justice of St. testiment is still valid. You will be viewed by God better if you have mercy even before someones repentance.

God is 100% just, he in not 100% merciful on nonrepentant. If he would be both 100% just and 100% merciful that would be a little contradictory. He is slow to put his justice upon people. He still waits. Thats a very merciful God.

Have you ever read the Bible ffs? You are lead by Satan by the nose. All of what you claim are hateful lies and unfounded accusations. All of them are based on silly assumption, mistranslations, seemingly correct logic, not viewing the old testement by the words of Jesus (yes he had not condemn Old testament he interpreted correctly its meaning).

The whole idea of "Jesus Salvation" is provably a story that was added to the Bible, I already referenced the research of Zuesse to prove this fact. You also need to consider other books to get the full picture, and keep the content-source problem in mind.

That does not add up. Forgery of the Bible was almost impossible task. Would you not think that there are millions around the world that would notice someone is working on the Bible to forge it?

Bible could have changed words and added some passage. Thats possible. Highly unlikely but possible.

But whole stories? Only complete nut would thought thats possible. Now I need to trust some internet guy says that God is so completly not powerful to have to preserve it by secret society with no evidence of connection to Israelites what so ever.

Are you taking me for a fool?

Please tell me you are joking. You know what happens to people that add to the word? Nothing pleasant.

God's words are more easily understood and better preserved in Phoenix Journals. Study of the Bible is not so easy because of the many modifications that were made. I think Phoenix Journals provide a superior record of The Word, for example by explaining that GOD does not torture innocent children.

If it was changed how would you know from what to what? Because some guy claimed it was so? Becuase the God told him? If its fraud then the knowledge of truth about it is forever gone, we can not be sure to know from "some guy over the internet". People are so silly with all those "they the powerful, the more powerfull than God someone which we do not know who they are" Thats ridiculous.

The Antichrist is known its the papal seat since Sixtus III (literaly 666)- his most faithful followers are Jesuits, that right now have full control over the Vatican (The Nicolaitans) as well as free masonry (counter reformacy in disguise). Their biggest enemy is reformation and free bible reading and thinking about it to know God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaLJTimKo4&t=2156s

The biggest enemy of counter reformation is unbiased study of the bible with the open mind. Thats what the reformation was supposed to be.

God is way more powerful than all of the counter reformation combined, and he promised to preserve his words.

There was no adequate reply to these 3 points, just unsupported claims about the perfection of the Bible but that book is not fit for worship, I recommend that free-thinking people read Phoenix Journals instead and thereby determine that the Bible has been modified by the adversary, the one who rules this world.

There is a god, don't be a goof