Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 144. (Read 845809 times)

Some entities can be proven to exist and they have more knowledge or experience, it is via a transformation of one's being from finite to infinite that one can exit the matrix.

The origin of life indicates the existence of a life force. An outside variable is necessary to account for the scientific model of abiogenesis.

The Improbability of Abiogenesis:
https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/abiogenesis.html
More information at the Origin of Life Prize website.

What exactly is the criteria for truth and facts?

There are so many differents models, theories and explanations behind any phenomena .. it's hard to see how evidence constitute a science of something. .

It would be more "scientific" to actually quote theorems, experimental protocol, publication etc than claiming stuff about "science" .

Especially in area such as cosmos creation, or evolution where there is no certainty, if there is even anything at all science can actually pretend to explain with absolute certitude, without approximation, or only isolating one aspect of things in a lab.

There is no physics model who can explain everything from big bang to mozart, not even close.

Theory about big bang are just theory at the same title than it's a magic unicorn who farted in the cosmos.

Between standard model, particule physics, quantum theories, the "4 main forces" of classic physics who are not even working well together, classic mechanics, chemistry, etc ..

It's more patchwork than anything, cant hardly be told to be really coherent as a whole.

Pretending otherwise is being delusional about science and idealizing it.

Why don't you just admit that you have blind faith in your religion instead of writing this pile of trash ''
I found a lot of grounds upon my beliefs and a lot of indication and signs. There are so many that I do not even try to remember them. They are for me only, you might not understand me. They are deeply private Im shy to share with someone hostile to me. What don't you understand?''
Every single religious person will tell you the same thing, they all have proof of their beliefs yet they can't all be right.

Evidence

noun
1.
that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2.
something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.

What definition don't you understand?

I found a lot of grounds upon my beliefs and a lot of indication and signs. There are so many that I do not even try to remember them. They are for me only, you might not understand me. They are deeply private Im shy to share with someone hostile to me. What don't you understand?


Because we can't stand the nonsense of life. We need to have some greater purpose and we are hard wired to seek it. Like we are hard wired to find faces around us. We are deeply religious creatures.

Right now you think you are not driven by religion. You are. You are driven with the need to feel superiour than those "silly" religious people. Deep down inside you know there is a lion out there to eat your soul, but you want to be at least faster than those inferiour to you in your mind.

Your atheism is a religious feeling. Otherwise you would not give a fuck so much to debate with me.

I would call your religion Im betterism with a mix of scientism, schoolism and atheism. You would like to believe all of those are true. But thats a sign your religion is the ancient old Luciferanism, because of your narcistic tendencies. You just are not aware of it.

It is default, I simply don't believe in anything until I see it or until I find evidence for it or until trusted sources told me (This one is obviously dangerous but as a kid you would basically listen to anything your parents said) I don't see how my position is not default. You claim there is a god and I don't believe it because I don't see sufficient evidence for it.

You have tons of evidences, where are they. Self apparent to you, that's not evidence dummy. People believe in many things, there are lots of people who think there are ghosts, I guess that's also self apparent and we should all believe there are ghosts now? You believe in the bible just like muslims believe in the quran, how do you know your god is the real one?

Not at all. You claim that your possition is default. Thats simply not true.

You claim there is a body of scientists that all agree there was a big bang. No. Just some tiny tiny tiny to the nth almost to infinity group of some wacko physicists. Most physicists dont give a crack about about that.

You claim I have no evidences. Wrong. I have tons of. Its self apparent to me, like to most healthy individual that "there is something out there that is concious". Its even in the us constitution that it is self explanatory there is some absolute.

Your point of view is schooled to you by jesuits. Atheism is a virus that is spread to be a devote of a magic word "science". Actually there is no such thing as science. There is a scientific method that your wacko physicians are not aplying for themselves.

You can package or repackage any absurd as science and noone would be able to verify if its true if there are only few specialists of that around the world. Scientific method should only be aplicable to someone who actually do science. Science should not be a word that you club others on the head like you are doing it.

You should club me with scientific method principles if I would claim to be scientific. And yes I had clubbed you with scientific principles mainly I had found a counter argument, when you claimed that science knows better. I had proven to you by clubbing you with scientific method that evolution is not scientific.

I might be wrong and scientists might be wrong too but at least they are trying. They are always searching for new things to understand how the universe is created. Religious people like you, read a book and consider it true for some reason. That's whats wrong with you. I admit that I could be wrong but at least I'm trying to look at evidence and proof, hey maybe I interpreted it wrong but at least I'm not just claiming things out of air. Your god could happen just like a magic pixie could happen, no point in discussing any of it until there is solid evidence, otherwise we can just make up things over and over again and say, hey this could happen.

If mr atheist claims anything could happen why wouldn't he claim that God might do it? I would say some serious hypnotist should be needed to get to his brain. His brain is somewhat programmed. He believe in big bang yet he dont believe it, yet something else can happen.... anything... But not the Bible story.

For me, thats psychiatric, or demonic at best. Its serious.... but not rational for sure.

Kabbalists knew about big bang and universe expansion since 12th century.

Maybe you are too confused to pee if you dont have evidence from a computer that you really want to pee.

Most science was discovered through logic and mathematics rather than with "evidences".

Then all science bother you, all religions bother you, you seem actually very bothered by everything lol.

You should trust more you imagination and not being so weary of thinking something might be true even if there is no evidence for it lol

Im 100% sure you dont understand what you are reading when you read about big bang. That is your evidence - ignorance.

Having astronomical numbers required to have astronomicaly huge event is not science, nor explaining. Its just another religion. Its just a religion of slip of mind. A religion of illusion. I would say a religion of self delusion.

God is energy  

I don't believe anything. I've seen evidence pointing towards a big bang but I never claimed I know it happened 100% I also don't know if something else caused the big bang but then again, it's religious people that claim that god did with literally no evidence what bothers me.

I could say vice versa you have no idea about science. You just believe scientists. Admitt you belong to your awkward religion claiming something that they cant do, that they claim they can. Its a religion of liars and fariy tale makers.

No you haven't. You do not know that god did what you claim he did, simple as that.

Science cannot explain alone how God intervene within us, this is the fact that experimentation cannot prove the existence of God Himself. Although the bible says it and if we all have our deeper understanding and appreciation to all things - there is God. I always ended up asking the following and same question out of curiosity:
1. What if God is the energy in ATP which gives us life and maintain it?
2. What if God is the light that drives the photosynthesis so human could eat?
3. What if God is the air the surrounds us and help us breathe?
4. What if God is your every single cell in which you do not see by your bare eyes yet you beleieve that you have cells?

In all forms of explanation, there is God'ss intervention. In all hopes and despairs God is within us. Let us praise God in all matter.

I found the article very great, I would scan it on my spare time probably

I showed you one of the evidence. It does not convince you? Im not going to despair because of it. Thats the nature of evidence - its not a proof. Proof is when something is so evidenced that it could not be disputed. Sorry to say to you official science does not have proofs just evidences, most of them non factual just mathematical.

Your religion is not proven as well - that religion is called scientism.

I mean, how do you know god did all of those things. There are plenty of other books talking about other gods claiming their gods did it, why do you think the god from the bible is any better than the others?

What do you mean by evidence? You live in one big evidence called universum. Just because something is very well known doesnt mean its not true.

You have brainwashed slip of mind like many scientist that the only form of light must become from a sun. Thats first brainwashed evidence. Thats what you mean? What evidence do I have that you are brainwashed? There are numerous source of light, a tons a megatons. You are one of it, although your light comes from heat in ultra red.

Secondly you are brainwashed to think you can't have your own correct observations and generalisation about the light. Yes there are some people that says the same as me. Does that make me evidenced? For example Ken Wheeler is speaking something similiar. Does that makes me evidenced?

But what claims do I have in your opinion? That sound can come from light? I fucking showed you................... sonolumiscence..... What more do you need? Do you even know why water in a glass? Because of glass is just increasing the strenght of vibration. Its not necessary. Your brain can glow. You don't believe it? Donate one and some other people would see that.