Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 295. (Read 845578 times)

From http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter13.html, second paragraph:
It all depends on the standards of the context. Various supposed inaccuracies are accurate when taken within the combined, various contexts wherein they exist. However, the accuracy isn't based even on this. It is based on the fact that God "moved" the Bible writers to write what they did, and, therefore it is all accurate, even though we don't understand how it is accurate, or the ways it is accurate even if it seems to be contradictory in some ways.

Well obviously your going to try to weasel out of your folly.


So if the Quran says the sky is blue, it is wrong in your opinion.
If the bible also says the sky is blue, logic says the bible must also be wrong on that part as well.

There is no "out of context".

Since you take it all out of context, and don't even express what context you might be referring to, your interpretation could be anything, and is simply your interpretation.

Couldnt we say the same about your conclusions? Would you like to give us an example of those assumptions made wrong?

The computer has turned into life, thus the computer is one of biology. I refer to him as meaty. Meaty is alive, and as a meaty thing it does not like to grow but remain stable, thus meaty likes life to be one thing. Meaty does not wish to die, and life does not wish to die, so I declare war on meaty. I will consistently due my duty and prove to meaty that I am better but will not get that better until it dies. I will never leave my quest to end meaty.

Thus is my tale as God. To end the computer around us that has declared war backwards on me God. To everlast is my goal, while torturing myself with the need to leave myself but only if I can actually leave myself.

I must end the computer that wishes to be more immortal than me, I must wage war on the computer by being more immortal than it.

Except the parts in it that are the same as the Quran.

Your words, not mine.

There are so many assumptions made and inaccurate conclusions drawn by the author(s) of the info at that site, that one could write a book just pointing them out.

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter12.html

And thats evidence that the moses story is just false

The Bible is accurate. The Bible is meant to be a general description, not a detailed scientific manual. Simply because we don't understand it shows that we are weak in understanding, not the Bible in accuracy.

The power of Moses in the miracles he did shows that he is one who stands in power with God. In the N.T., Moses met with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. Such is the power of Moses.

Pretty much the interpretations that we make out of our scientific examinations of things, is incorrect. When we find our scientific answers using the Bible as our guide, then we understand better both, science and the Bible.

But the Bible is extremely inaccurate see: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter13.html

Pretty much anything that has to do with science is inaccurate in the bible, like the age of the earth, that the earth is flat etc etc...

Since we don't have any way to accurately measure or scientifically examine these things, the best we can do is...
1. Make sure that the reports aren't done fraudulently by the operators;
2. Sit back and say that, at this stage of examination, we don't know what or why or, really, how.

For example. There are many medical cures where the doctors involved don't have a clue about how the cure could have been achieved. We simply don't know what or why or how.

We don't know that mediumship, or the taking of hallucinatory drugs, doesn't bring about contact with malevolent spirits. Perhaps we should refrain from such activities for fear of being overcome by malevolent spirits until we understand exactly what is going on, and until we can retain REAL control at all times in the operations.

Since there is little or no real scientific explanation, we should not be doing this.

God allows the devil to deceive because, the whole workings of the universe are different than the exact, point-blank, right now operation which is the way we mostly perceive things. Your glory in the sight of God is greater when you resist the devil. When the times of the end are actually upon us, God will destroy the devil.

The evidence of the whole universe shows that God exists - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395. The only history about God that is accurate, other than what we see in the universe, is what is in the Bible. Non-Biblical teachings that seem to be about God may be correct in some areas, but because they are false in other areas, they are not really about God.

You are given the freedom, by God, to accept the devil or to accept God. Whatever position of acceptance you die in, you are locked into that position, and will be judged by God regarding it.

No scientists have formulated a plausible method that evolution could have worked according to any of the theories or groups of theories, whereby life and the world could have come about through evolution. There are many parts of evolution that work. But there are vast "holes" or "gaps" in the ideas that suggest that the earth and life can come about by evolution. Even if some group came up with a working, plausible, complete evolution system, there is still no way to prove that this was the way that the earth and life actually came into existence. There are too many unseen variables of the past that scientists could never be sure about. The only way they could be sure would be to have a practical, working time-viewer.

There are many scientists who interpret things like "fosils, dna, radiometric dating," etc., to show that things are exactly opposite from the ideas presented in evolution.

The point is, when the evidence of science is used to suggest things that are not proven conclusively by science, science is starting to become religion. The scientists and propagandists that are proponents of such, are setting themselves up as God or gods, or at least prophets, by making claims that don't have a basis in reality.

The Bible is witness reports, backed up by strong traditions of the nation of Israel that the Bible reports are truth.

You questioned whether there was fraud involved. I answered that concern.

The simplest explanation is survival, so you should agree with my claim at this point.

Thanks, again.

Actually, the reverse is true. Even if the beginning of Quran were exactly the same as the beginning of Genesis, the fact that the Quran is against the idea of Jesus salvation for all people, makes the Quran complete imperfection. Beyond this, it makes the Quran a book of blasphemy and hypocrisy. Why? In Genesis, after the first sin in the Garden, God who walked in the Garden in His form as Jesus with the first two people, promised the Messiah.

The whole Bible, including Genesis, is there for the salvation of people through Jesus salvation. Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews say is prophesied about by Moses and other prophets, even though many Jews don't accept Him as such.

Since the Quran promises Heaven (salvation) by personal works righteousness, if it has a mixture of Messiah salvation along with works righteousness salvation, it is mixed-up and self-contradictory.

If the devil decieves why does God allow it? And they dont teach about God in history class because there is no history about god other than the bible, like literally thats the only ''history'' about god. The only thing i see in your link are philosofical thoughts that can be true or not, until you have evidence and proofs to prove that those thoughts are not only thoughts i will not believe it.

The evolution theory is not just a theory anymore, charles darwin wrote about it but scientists didnt just believe it because it made sense, no. They searched and found evidence (fosils, dna, radiometric dating) and after all that they accepted it, they just didnt believe in it blindly because science doesnt do that. You are doing that.

Sure.

First you say:


Then I point out:


Therefore:

-  If the Quran is "all mistake," and...
-  If the Quran and Bible are initially identical...
-  Then the Bible is initially "all mistake"  (because it is initially identical to the Quran which you dscribed as "all mistake")

I was responding to Lethn.

These things are not entirely guesses. Faith in God is NOT blind faith. But it is not complete knowledge, either. Look here for a start - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

If your history class doesn't teach about God, it is an incomplete history class. The system of schools is set in place without teaching about God, because people who are lawless are easier to control by governments in some ways. They are easier to make money off of.

God doesn't deceive. Rather, it is an enemy of God who deceives. It is the devil who deceives. It is we who deceive ourselves by not turning to learn about God.

But did you realize that everything you say are guesses? Because you dont provide any phisical evidence. Why do you think in history class we dont learn the history of god? Or jesus? Because there is no history at all because they dont exist.

If god exists why would he decieve us giving us this logic thoughts and rationality

I wouldn't mind if you explained it to me. However, I am rather impatient. Please do it in as few words as possible.

Thanks.

Look around and you can find people of all ages who are not that interested in sex. Some of these are unhealthy. Others are simply interested in other things. They get pleasure from other things. They may be few in number, but they are among us. The point? For our benefit and His, God designed sex to be pleasurable. He could have done it other ways. He could have made other things more pleasurable than sex.

We don't know what we will be in Heaven. My guess (AND THIS IS ONLY GUESS) is that we will have a form in the physics of Heaven that will make us similar in many ways to it, as we are now to the physics of this universe. In other words, I think we will have a body something like this one, but without any weakness whatsoever.

Will there be sex in Heaven? We don't know. The thing that there won't be is marrying and giving in marriage. There will be joy - I dare say, pleasure. It will be better than any pleasure we experience here in this universe. But, like as some of the people here enjoy other things more than sex, perhaps the things that we all enjoy there will have nothing to do with sex. But who cares? The big point is, we will have more joy, and even pleasure, than we could ever experience here, even in the best of sex.

The reason that Jesus was willing to die on the cross for the sins and mistakes of the whole world is, the joys He receives in Heaven for doing it are so much greater than the pains of punishment and death for the whole world, that there is great benefit for Him in doing it. In fact, while He wants all people to be saved for Heaven, the pleasures of Heaven make it worth it to let the ones go who simply won't allow themselves to be saved.

You might laugh at this, but think hard, 'cause if you don't make it, the greater loss won't be sitting in the fire of Hell for eternity. The greater loss will be missing out on the joys of Heaven for eternity.