Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 302. (Read 845809 times)

Part of the reason that God doesn't force people to believe in Him is, He isn't of a mind to take away freedom. He has His own good reasons for it. And they don't include that people should run around wild, ignoring the laws of the Bible.

In the link you listed, above, in the introduction, the author makes a statement that says, "I was born agnostic, as are all children, but both of my parents were Christian." This statement is entirely incorrect, since it is the little children that are most acceptable to God. Further, the cause and effect evidence at my post at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows, at the very least, that the statement is questionable.

Throughout that website (http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/index2.html), there are many questionable points that are simply stated as true without any clear reasons why the author accepts things this way. This makes the ideas therein to be questionable, as well. Even though there are a lot of interesting ideas, many of them are ideas only.



EDIT: The author obviously seems to believe in God. It is evident from the last paragraph at the http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/outro.html page of the site:Again, it isn't the idea of this thread, Scientific proof that God exists?, to entirely prove out that God is accurately described by one particular religion. Finding that God indeed DOES exist is the beginning. We can discuss which religion best describes Him in other threads.

Evidence to disprove God and the bible can be found here:

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/index2.html

One day, perhaps, we’ll all be free of conditioned thinking and learn to rely on observable and testable evidence when examining religious claims. One day, perhaps, we can all peacefully coexist. Whatever force might be watching us now probably realizes that the majority of us are currently incapable of achieving these goals. If this being is observing our planet during a search for an enlightened race that’s ready for the deepest secrets of the universe, it should probably try us again later.

Often, scientifically proving something is different than simply proving it. The scientific method can be so extremely boring to some people that they naturally are inclined to not want to do it.

Go to the link here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, read the first definition for the word "proof," then slowly read the rest of the post following the definitions. You will find that you don't need the boring, scientific method to find the proof that God exists.

The thing that the proof doesn't show out in the open is, a lot of the finer attributes of God. Many of these can be surmised from the evidence at the link. But they aren't explained out in the open, because many people find it hard to simply accept that God exists. Once people come to the understanding that God DOES exist, then they can go on to find which (if any) religions speak about Him accurately, or if He is trying to contact us in one way or another. But, in part because of the complexity of God, other topics about God should be created to discuss His various attributes, etc.

I can't promise that you will accept the strong evidence provided as proof for God. But many people have, and many more will. Have at it.

I neither deny nor acknowledge the existence of a God as I can't prove or disprove a negative

By the way, are you EVER going to present SOME even hint of scientific evidence for or against the existence of God, so that we can start to prove out to ourselves from your standpoint, whether or not God exists.

So, it comes down to this. You are unwilling or unable to disprove the existence of God, or to refute the universe full of evidence at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 that shows god does indeed exist, so you badmouth me. Don't you realize that it is the trolls who do badmouthing, because they don't really understand? And this is what you are showing yourself to be more and more.

Come, now. Try to get back on topic and show some evidence or proof for or against the existence of God.

Is anyone else reading this? Please tell me someone else is reading this. This guy is just too frigging stupid.

Now you're saying, " Since you are unwilling or unable to bring up points that refute the existence of God in the light of the things found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, and since you are only willing to SAY that you have refuted the existence of God, and since you try to prove the non-existence of God with all kinds of things that only talk about God in a light that He has been proven to exist... ", so there you previously made the claim yourself that the things you posted may arguebaly be false or true. Now you're saying with certainty that you think they're true.

You just contradicted yourself, for the 9,999th time. Also, as I've said a million times, I've refuted every one of your "statements" about the legitimacy of the existence of the christian god(He doesn't exist), scroll up. You sir, are a dumbass. Honestly, it's hard to differentiate whether you're trolling or just that stupid.

Also, did you even read the link lol?, http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/self-accelerating-particles-0120, the particles are experiencing the effect before the cause, therefore "nothing" is "causing" them to accelerate. You're like a child arguing  that 5+5 is 55 and not 10.

What you've said, "If causes truly come before effects in some actions of subatomic particles, and if it is simply not a dimensional misinterpretation of cause and effect, what is the cause that caused/causes the subatomic particles to act backwards regarding cause and effect... so that the backwards action of subatomic particles is the effect?"  made no sense, again. Please read up on what I'm talking about before responding with illogical bullcrap, thanks...

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/self-accelerating-particles-0120

Everything in your link has been refuted. Scroll up, it's funny that you continue to deny that you have don't have a clue what you're talking about. Everything you've said can be refuted by a 5th grader, you're That dumb. You've actually contradicted yourself numerous times, if you bothered to think before you type you might have not, but oh well, you're That dumb.

Okay, let me say it simply enough that even you should be able to understand. Here goes.

Something caused subatomic particles to act like this. If causes truly come before effects in some actions of subatomic particles, and if it is simply not a dimensional misinterpretation of cause and effect, what is the cause that caused/causes the subatomic particles to act backwards regarding cause and effect... so that the backwards action of subatomic particles is the effect?

As far as saying nothing to counter any of the other things that you said, the reason is, they are for another topic. Talking about them here is basically off-topic.

Again, do you have any reasonably strong evidence that can refute the evidence that God exists as found at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 ?

"The faulty thinking in this idea lies in the fact that the point in your statement was caused to exist that way (if indeed it is actually the truth). In other words, cause caused the effect of effects preceding causes in some parts of the subatomic structure. Because of this, at best, there is a stalemate in using cause and effect to prove the existence of God.", this entire statement you just made shows just how dumb you really are. That made no sense. The behavior of particles that are unseen to the naked eye can't be compared to my actions, do you even think about what you write?...Besides that, you've contradicted yourself which goes to show how really clueless you are, since in your link you made it out to be that you believed cause and effect was a proof for God, now you're saying it isn't and that it's effectively a "stalemate". Nice one.

And you've said nothing to counter anything I've said, not that I blame you, since the things said can't be countered. Nice to see you post that faulty link to illogical, nonsensical "information". Damn you're dumb, I'm not even gonna hold back the feelings of sheer shamefulness and irritation replying to someone as illogical like yourself.

You like posting that link don't you. Here, I'll refute all of the nonsensical claims you make there. First off, I'll disprove the bible and since I'm lazy and you're too stupid, I'll repost quotes of paragraphs I previously typed to you in response to your nonsensical bullcrap.

1) The earth is much older than 6,000 years ago. The very Genesis portion of the bible is incorrect, as the Gregorian Calendar came around in the 1500s(500 years ago), and the bible was supposedly written close to 2,000 years ago. This means that the text saying God created the world in 6 days, is wrong, because there were no 24 hour days back then when the bible was written. The entire Genesis portion of the bible is believed to be symbolic by even fellow christian scholars. Either symbolic or edited(It's obviously fake). So your arguement of the earth being 6,000 years old BADecker is wrong. Go do your research.

2) In this link, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, you talk about Cause and Effect, of which you are again, wrong. On a subatomic level, particles are known to react differently. For example, cause can follow effect instead of effect following cause. Also, as I told you before, a new quantum theory supports the idea that the universe is Eternal, meaning it never had a beginning and will never have an end. The Big Bang theory is inherently flawed, so again, there goes your chance of saying the universe was even created by God in the first place, for if this theory is even marginally "correct", then you might as well throw your bible out the window cause everything there is inherently wrong.

3) Homosexuality has been found and recorded in over 500 species, with our closest relatives(such as Bonobos, etc) displaying a large array of homosexual behavior. Studies since the 1960s during Kinsey's time have shown that males are indeed born homosexual, as even straight males when subjected to erotic homosexual porn, were not "turned on" and vice versa, indicating that homosexuality in males in determined prior to birth and cannot be changed. Studies done on female sexuality show that women have a "flexible sexuality", as shown by Dr Meredith Chivers, women have been equally attracted to males and other women, even those who self identified as straight or lesbian, were still aroused at both sexes in erotic positions i.e erect penis, naked women's body, etc. Homosexuality is 100% natural as Heterosexuality, and btw, if you went to school, you'd know that sex is not for 1 thing only(The making of babies), it's not. If that was so, then women who have went through menopause would also be a crime in your book, since they can't make children naturally anymore.

4) The bible has been edited, have passages taken in, taken out, since the early christian era right after Christ's supposed assention into Heaven. The romans have edited the bible, the monarchs of England have edited the bible, and the Church has edited the bible, numerous times.

5) The bible displays some of the most hideous and appaling things in all "holy books". The god of the bible promotes the killing of innocent people and animals, the raping of female children and women, and the general destruction of humankind. Feel free to throgoughly scan through your own bible and witness the atrocities in it, commanded by your "God".

You know what, I'll post you a little of the pure evil promoted by the christian God:

Heres a website that shows you the many horrors commanded by God in the bible, feel free to double check in your own bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

The christian god simply does not exist. Every, single, one of your bullshit claims has been refuted many, many times over throughout the course of this thread.

Are you trolling? Are you simply ignorant. Can't you see that simply saying that there is a mountain of evidence without showing the evidence doesn't mean that there is necessarily any evidence at all?

Perhaps you have evidence that refutes the universe full of evidence shown at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395. As Mr. Universe said in Serenity, "No problem; Bring it on; Bring it on; Bring it on. From here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. That's my motto, or would be if I had a motto."

1) "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

- In that quote from the Bible, God promotes the killing of innocents, while also promoting Pedophilia by keeping the women Children(notice children) alive. So now we know that the God of the bible promotes not just violence, but pedophilia(or hebephilia, depends on the age of the children, though I presume children are below the age of 12).


2) "And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)

- Here, god gives the command to kill innocents yet again, simply because they do not believe him. Mass genocide anyone? You can even compare the God of the bible to Adolf Hitler by this point.