Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 306. (Read 845654 times)

Evidence to disprove God and the bible can be found here:

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/index2.html

Often, scientifically proving something is different than simply proving it. The scientific method can be so extremely boring to some people that they naturally are inclined to not want to do it.

Go to the link here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, read the first definition for the word "proof," then slowly read the rest of the post following the definitions. You will find that you don't need the boring, scientific method to find the proof that God exists.

The thing that the proof doesn't show out in the open is, a lot of the finer attributes of God. Many of these can be surmised from the evidence at the link. But they aren't explained out in the open, because many people find it hard to simply accept that God exists. Once people come to the understanding that God DOES exist, then they can go on to find which (if any) religions speak about Him accurately, or if He is trying to contact us in one way or another. But, in part because of the complexity of God, other topics about God should be created to discuss His various attributes, etc.

I can't promise that you will accept the strong evidence provided as proof for God. But many people have, and many more will. Have at it.

The information here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows how evidence is the thing that provides the proof. Look at the first definition for "proof" in the link.

The OP stated proof of god, not evidence. Sorry, talking about evidence is off-topic I'm afraid.
Your rules remember, we must adhere to them.

I don't know if God exists but I have proof Jesus does. He mowed my lawn yesterday.

I neither deny nor acknowledge the existence of a God as I can't prove or disprove a negative

Well, it should be nice not having to run around with this guy again. Whew! Trying to explain was a job. I know, I know. He didn't really want a logical explanation. He simply wanted to bash me. As I have often said, nobody can be forced to believe the strong evidence here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 or anywhere else... even if it jumps up and bites them in the left eye.

So you wanna troll post? K, You're now on ignore. You're either a troll or a retard, most likely a combo of both. Either one, I don't care anymore, anyone else reading the posts on this page(and practically everyone you've ever made, since all have been refuted) sees just how uneducated, inconclusive, contradictory, and plain stupid you really are.

So, it comes down to this. You are unwilling or unable to disprove the existence of God, or to refute the universe full of evidence at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 that shows god does indeed exist, so you badmouth me. Don't you realize that it is the trolls who do badmouthing, because they don't really understand? And this is what you are showing yourself to be more and more.

Come, now. Try to get back on topic and show some evidence or proof for or against the existence of God.

"Let's say that the info in the link is 100% true. There is a backward action among some subatomic actions. This backward action is that the effect happens before the cause. I am simply giving it a name when I call it a backward action. Let's even call it by a more formalized name. Let's call it Subatomic Backward Action. We could name it anything that we wanted. But, humor me in this that I named it "Subatomic Backward Action."

"Now here is the question. What causes Subatomic Backward Action to exist? Subatomic Backward Action is itself an effect of some cause. Perhaps the cause is the particle accelerator manipulation of the subatomic particles. Whatever it is, something causes them to act this way, a backward way, a way we named Subatomic Backward Action."

Just as you incorrectly, previously stated that Atheism was a religion, so are you incorrectly stating this also., " Now here is the question. What causes Subatomic Backward Action to exist? Subatomic Backward Action is itself an effect of some cause. Perhaps the cause is the particle accelerator manipulation of the subatomic particles. Whatever it is, something causes them to act this way, a backward way, a way we named Subatomic Backward Action.". In that quote you said that something must "cause" it to act that way, when in actuality, effect came before cause, and you also said you didn't read the article, so then who are you to even type on the matter, when you have No Clue about the subject?.

"Cause and effect is still in play, and in correct order". Do you see how dumb you are now? I stated that the effect came before the cause, yet you're insisting that cause still comes into play, which isn't true. And what's even worse, is that you're saying that, " Cause and effect is still in play, and in correct order", when the exact opposite is true. Effect can come before Cause, and not in a linear order.

Is anyone else reading this? Please tell me someone else is reading this. This guy is just too frigging stupid.

What does most of this have to do with proving that God exists? It sounds like you are simply trying to badmouth me with most of it.

I didn't read the link. And I don't have to, because, even if it is 100% true, it still doesn't disprove cause and effect. So I will say it again...

Let's say that the info in the link is 100% true. There is a backward action among some subatomic actions. This backward action is that the effect happens before the cause. I am simply giving it a name when I call it a backward action. Let's even call it by a more formalized name. Let's call it Subatomic Backward Action. We could name it anything that we wanted. But, humor me in this that I named it "Subatomic Backward Action."

Now here is the question. What causes Subatomic Backward Action to exist? Subatomic Backward Action is itself an effect of some cause. Perhaps the cause is the particle accelerator manipulation of the subatomic particles. Whatever it is, something causes them to act this way, a backward way, a way we named Subatomic Backward Action.

Cause and effect is still in play, and in correct order. As my link at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows, the evidence for the existence of God is so great that it is really proof of the existence of God. If you are not going to contradict it, why not simply accept it?

I really hope someone else is seeing just how dumb, inconsistent, and contradictive you are. This is what you said a few messages up:
Now you're saying, " Since you are unwilling or unable to bring up points that refute the existence of God in the light of the things found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, and since you are only willing to SAY that you have refuted the existence of God, and since you try to prove the non-existence of God with all kinds of things that only talk about God in a light that He has been proven to exist... ", so there you previously made the claim yourself that the things you posted may arguebaly be false or true. Now you're saying with certainty that you think they're true.

You just contradicted yourself, for the 9,999th time. Also, as I've said a million times, I've refuted every one of your "statements" about the legitimacy of the existence of the christian god(He doesn't exist), scroll up. You sir, are a dumbass. Honestly, it's hard to differentiate whether you're trolling or just that stupid.

Also, did you even read the link lol?, http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/self-accelerating-particles-0120, the particles are experiencing the effect before the cause, therefore "nothing" is "causing" them to accelerate. You're like a child arguing  that 5+5 is 55 and not 10.

In the even that you really didn't understand what I said, I apologize that I have been thinking that you are mentally way above the apparent level at which you exist. And since you are stating that you don't understand things that just about anybody else would understand, I am not slandering you in this. In fact, I am agreeing with you, because it is obvious to everyone by what you, yourself, have said, that it doesn't make sense to you.

Since you are unwilling or unable to bring up points that refute the existence of God in the light of the things found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, and since you are only willing to SAY that you have refuted the existence of God, and since you try to prove the non-existence of God with all kinds of things that only talk about God in a light that He has been proven to exist...

Well, why am I saying this? Other people understand. But, from experience, you won't. So, I shall refrain from further talk in this post.

What you've said, "If causes truly come before effects in some actions of subatomic particles, and if it is simply not a dimensional misinterpretation of cause and effect, what is the cause that caused/causes the subatomic particles to act backwards regarding cause and effect... so that the backwards action of subatomic particles is the effect?"  made no sense, again. Please read up on what I'm talking about before responding with illogical bullcrap, thanks...

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/self-accelerating-particles-0120

Everything in your link has been refuted. Scroll up, it's funny that you continue to deny that you have don't have a clue what you're talking about. Everything you've said can be refuted by a 5th grader, you're That dumb. You've actually contradicted yourself numerous times, if you bothered to think before you type you might have not, but oh well, you're That dumb. I should really just unpin this thread from the "Show new replies to your posts" list, because you're downright stupidity is just too irritating. When you go to school and get an education, or simply google these basic things up, or even just read your own bible(Because I know you haven't) and see the horrible inconsistencies presented in there, and appalling contradictions present, then speak to me. As the fictional character Red Forman would say, " You're a dumbass".

Okay, let me say it simply enough that even you should be able to understand. Here goes.

Something caused subatomic particles to act like this. If causes truly come before effects in some actions of subatomic particles, and if it is simply not a dimensional misinterpretation of cause and effect, what is the cause that caused/causes the subatomic particles to act backwards regarding cause and effect... so that the backwards action of subatomic particles is the effect?

As far as saying nothing to counter any of the other things that you said, the reason is, they are for another topic. Talking about them here is basically off-topic.

Again, do you have any reasonably strong evidence that can refute the evidence that God exists as found at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 ? If so, why not present it?

"The faulty thinking in this idea lies in the fact that the point in your statement was caused to exist that way (if indeed it is actually the truth). In other words, cause caused the effect of effects preceding causes in some parts of the subatomic structure. Because of this, at best, there is a stalemate in using cause and effect to prove the existence of God.", this entire statement you just made shows just how dumb you really are. That made no sense. The behavior of particles that are unseen to the naked eye can't be compared to my actions, do you even think about what you write?...Besides that, you've contradicted yourself which goes to show how really clueless you are, since in your link you made it out to be that you believed cause and effect was a proof for God, now you're saying it isn't and that it's effectively a "stalemate". Nice one.

And you've said nothing to counter anything I've said, not that I blame you, since the things said can't be countered. Nice to see you post that faulty link to illogical, nonsensical "information". Damn you're dumb, I'm not even gonna hold back the feelings of sheer shamefulness and irritation replying to someone as illogical like yourself.

The things that you post may be arguably true or not true. The only part of it that seems to have anything to do with proving that God exists is #2, above (the first #2). In that point, you stated, "On a subatomic level, particles are known to react differently. For example, cause can follow effect instead of effect following cause." The faulty thinking in this idea lies in the fact that the point in your statement was caused to exist that way (if indeed it is actually the truth). In other words, cause caused the effect of effects preceding causes in some parts of the subatomic structure. Because of this, at best, there is a stalemate in using cause and effect to prove the existence of God.

However, in the things we see and use, and in the things that scientists use to find out how things work, they always use cause and effect. In fact, the more the scientist, the more he is into finding the causes that cause the effects that he observes.

Once we figure out that God exists (or not), then we can continue with all the rest of the stuff in your post, above. But that stuff should actually be posted in other threads, shouldn't it? After all, this thread has to do with proof for the existence of God, not for detailed explanations about His attributes, and not for which religion explains things about Him the best. Or, how am I wrong in this?

You still have a universe full of evidence in favor of the existence of God, as shown at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, to counter if you want to prove that God does not exist.

Hi BADecker,

Check this out; simple instructions on finding the evidence that I have posted:



If you have any interest, you can check out my posts by looking at them on my profile; I mainly post in this thread nowadays.


BADecker, you had posted that you were mainly talking about the Christian God of the Bible. Now I am confronting you on your claim that there is a God of the Bible (ONE BEING--God of Light and Love) who is also a God of wrath. I do not think that you have proven or even evidenced such a god as you claim because wrath and love is a contradiction. I am qualifying the type of god that is available to be proven; could you kindly explain why God would show wrath if He is in fact God of Love?

And for all those who would like to see just a fraction of the posts that show just how dumb BADecker really is, here you go:

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You like posting that link don't you. Here, I'll refute all of the nonsensical claims you make there. First off, I'll disprove the bible and since I'm lazy and you're too stupid, I'll repost quotes of paragraphs I previously typed to you in response to your nonsensical bullcrap.

1) The earth is much older than 6,000 years ago. The very Genesis portion of the bible is incorrect, as the Gregorian Calendar came around in the 1500s(500 years ago), and the bible was supposedly written close to 2,000 years ago. This means that the text saying God created the world in 6 days, is wrong, because there were no 24 hour days back then when the bible was written. The entire Genesis portion of the bible is believed to be symbolic by even fellow christian scholars. Either symbolic or edited(It's obviously fake). So your arguement of the earth being 6,000 years old BADecker is wrong. Go do your research.

2) In this link, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, you talk about Cause and Effect, of which you are again, wrong. On a subatomic level, particles are known to react differently. For example, cause can follow effect instead of effect following cause. Also, as I told you before, a new quantum theory supports the idea that the universe is Eternal, meaning it never had a beginning and will never have an end. The Big Bang theory is inherently flawed, so again, there goes your chance of saying the universe was even created by God in the first place, for if this theory is even marginally "correct", then you might as well throw your bible out the window cause everything there is inherently wrong.

3) Homosexuality has been found and recorded in over 500 species, with our closest relatives(such as Bonobos, etc) displaying a large array of homosexual behavior. Studies since the 1960s during Kinsey's time have shown that males are indeed born homosexual, as even straight males when subjected to erotic homosexual porn, were not "turned on" and vice versa, indicating that homosexuality in males in determined prior to birth and cannot be changed. Studies done on female sexuality show that women have a "flexible sexuality", as shown by Dr Meredith Chivers, women have been equally attracted to males and other women, even those who self identified as straight or lesbian, were still aroused at both sexes in erotic positions i.e erect penis, naked women's body, etc. Homosexuality is 100% natural as Heterosexuality, and btw, if you went to school, you'd know that sex is not for 1 thing only(The making of babies), it's not. If that was so, then women who have went through menopause would also be a crime in your book, since they can't make children naturally anymore. That would mean that your mother, grandma, practically every woman above age 50 is going to hell for having lived to age 50 and not being able to make children through sex anymore. Nice logic BADecker.

4) The bible has been edited, have passages taken in, taken out, since the early christian era right after Christ's supposed assention into Heaven. The romans have edited the bible, the monarchs of England have edited the bible, and the Church has edited the bible, numerous times.

5) The bible displays some of the most hideous and appaling things in all "holy books". The god of the bible promotes the killing of innocent people and animals, the raping of female children and women, and the general destruction of humankind. Feel free to throgoughly scan through your own bible and witness the atrocities in it, commanded by your "God".

You know what, I'll post you a little of the pure evil promoted by the christian God:

Heres a website that shows you the many horrors commanded by God in the bible, feel free to double check in your own bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

The christian god simply does not exist. Every, single, one of your bullshit claims has been refuted many, many times over throughout the course of this thread. Also, it'd do you well to not cherrypick and "interpret"/basically lie about what's said in the bible. You can't say things like, "these laws were intended for the Israelites only"...I thought the bible was created by god? So then why is he including the promotion of murder and etc that were intended for the Israelites at the time, in a book that's supposedly meant to be for "all times"? Oh yea, cause he doesn't exist.