Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 37. (Read 845710 times)

The fact that the term "outside the universe" does not fit whatever it is that is outside the universe, shows that there absolutely is something outside the universe, and that whatever it is, is way more different that anything within the universe that we can understand.

First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence?

''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity.

No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe."

Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.